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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:07:40 PM EDT
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Would the AF take prior service grunts? Im going to guess you need a 4 year degree, Ive haven't the slightest clue how the AF works, I just know your nurse chicks are hot.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:08:35 PM EDT
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Have to be an officer, right?
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:08:46 PM EDT
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I fucking tried to be a pilot, but noooooo.... now look at them.  Ha! Same here. I'm an E-7 now so I'll stick to making Chief and retire happily. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:10:04 PM EDT
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Have to be an officer, right? Yes. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:11:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:12:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Naturally high G tolerance does not come from higher blood pressure. It comes from fitness, muscle strength and G conditioning.. During the centrifuge training I could sit relaxed under sustained 5 G and have a normal breath and conversation. My blood pressure sitting at rest was 100/60 During high G, the force of G does not make the blood pressure 800/600 at heart level it is the straining maneuver and the heart that increases the blood pressure to 800/600. Without the straining maneuver, the blood pressure at heart level would be zero because all the blood would be in your feet. Ok a little bit of exaggeration there. Either way the blood pressure in your heart is 800/600 and the heart has to be able to handle it and still overcome the pressure and pump blood to the brain. The AF doesn't like to talk about it but a good chunk of what is classified as GLOC is actually heart explosion, and that is in 20 and 30 year olds. Eta. In a population of extremely medically healthy people. Quote HistoryQuoted: Naturally high G tolerance does not come from higher blood pressure. It comes from fitness, muscle strength and G conditioning.. During the centrifuge training I could sit relaxed under sustained 5 G and have a normal breath and conversation. My blood pressure sitting at rest was 100/60 During high G, the force of G does not make the blood pressure 800/600 at heart level it is the straining maneuver and the heart that increases the blood pressure to 800/600. Without the straining maneuver, the blood pressure at heart level would be zero because all the blood would be in your feet. Ok a little bit of exaggeration there. Either way the blood pressure in your heart is 800/600 and the heart has to be able to handle it and still overcome the pressure and pump blood to the brain. The AF doesn't like to talk about it but a good chunk of what is classified as GLOC is actually heart explosion, and that is in 20 and 30 year olds. Eta. In a population of extremely medically healthy people. Uh....wow.  I really learned something today. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:16:20 PM EDT
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Why is the AF having this problem and not the other services is my only question? here is the one service that literally revolves around the fighter pilot community, but they can't lead them or retain them without throwing gobs of money at them. what gives? Theres a "Think strategically joke" in here somewhere... but I'll be damned if I can find it. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:17:39 PM EDT
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IMO it is 2 things. The personality that is drawn and probably required to function in the airborn battle environment and the culture of the AF. The AF does NOT have combat effectiveness as a core everyday focus. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why is the AF having this problem and not the other services is my only question? here is the one service that literally revolves around the fighter pilot community, but they can't lead them or retain them without throwing gobs of money at them. what gives? IMO it is 2 things. The personality that is drawn and probably required to function in the airborn battle environment and the culture of the AF. The AF does NOT have combat effectiveness as a core everyday focus. How come when I say those things everyone says I hate the AF? |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:18:48 PM EDT
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Let the AF have nuke missiles, space and satellite stuff, and the Army Air Corp the fighters and transports. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Really? http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2013/07/23/air-force-fighter-pilots-signing-bonus/?test=latestnews&ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000058 "Fighter pilots were once considered such glamorous gigs that Tom Cruise played one in the hit Hollywood movie, "Top Gun." But now, three decades later, the U.S. Air Force is experiencing such a dire shortage that it's guaranteeing a $225,000 signing bonus -- $25,000 a year for nine years." Well yes, being a Navy Fighter pilot IS glamorous. Air Force Fighter pilot, not so much apparently.  No kidding. Not sure why the USAF wanted to compete with the Navy anyway 
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:19:31 PM EDT
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Have to be an officer, right? Yes. Damn. Commissioned and Warrant are the only ways to fly. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:21:37 PM EDT
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Commissioned and Warrant are the only ways to fly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have to be an officer, right? Yes. Damn. Commissioned and Warrant are the only ways to fly. And only 50% of those options are available in the AF. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:23:15 PM EDT
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And only 50% of those options are available in the AF. Sorry, should have stated the only way to fly in the armed forces. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:23:28 PM EDT
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Commissioned and Warrant are the only ways to fly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have to be an officer, right? Yes. Damn. Commissioned and Warrant are the only ways to fly. That's what I thought, I just wasn't sure. I'm planning on enlisting a semester or 2 before I graduate. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:28:49 PM EDT
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If they let pilots actually fly planes instead of flying a desk, this wouldn't be happening. You'd be surprised at how little an Air Force pilot actually flies. Bingo! |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:29:48 PM EDT
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If they let pilots actually fly planes instead of flying a desk, this wouldn't be happening. You'd be surprised at how little an Air Force pilot actually flies. Bingo! Interesting to note that guard pilots and active pilots get the same number of hours. Only with one, you don't pay them to NOT fly. Just an observation. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:29:58 PM EDT
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Dude, trust me, at 48, you will be dead of a heart attack pulling through 7 Gs on the way to 9. Under G, typical blood pressure at heart level is 800/600 to achieve 90/50 at the brain to stay awake. That is not a typo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd take the job WITHOUT the bonus. If the AF would take me even though I'm short on a few qualifications they really want. No four year degree. 48 years old. Waiver me on these things and I'll report to flight training as soon as you've got a slot open.  Dude, trust me, at 48, you will be dead of a heart attack pulling through 7 Gs on the way to 9. Under G, typical blood pressure at heart level is 800/600 to achieve 90/50 at the brain to stay awake. That is not a typo. Aren't there guys that are up there in age (Colonels and such) that are fighter pilots? |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:32:05 PM EDT
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Aren't there guys that are up there in age (Colonels and such) that are fighter pilots? Yes, but I'm sure they've had years of conditioning, so their body can tolerate it more. Link Just one of many. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:33:58 PM EDT
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Aren't there guys that are up there in age (Colonels and such) that are fighter pilots? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd take the job WITHOUT the bonus. If the AF would take me even though I'm short on a few qualifications they really want. No four year degree. 48 years old. Waiver me on these things and I'll report to flight training as soon as you've got a slot open. Dude, trust me, at 48, you will be dead of a heart attack pulling through 7 Gs on the way to 9. Under G, typical blood pressure at heart level is 800/600 to achieve 90/50 at the brain to stay awake. That is not a typo. Aren't there guys that are up there in age (Colonels and such) that are fighter pilots? AF has 3 and 4 star generals with their names on F15s and F22s. 
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:35:28 PM EDT
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AF has 3 and 4 star generals with their names on F15s and F22s. Never knew stars got to fly. Interesting. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:35:31 PM EDT
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Im 6'5 & 330lbs would I even fit in a cockpit?
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:37:23 PM EDT
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Im 6'5 & 330lbs would I even fit in a cockpit? Wouldn't be allowed in with your weight. Link |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:39:55 PM EDT
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Never knew stars got to fly. Interesting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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AF has 3 and 4 star generals with their names on F15s and F22s. Never knew stars got to fly. Interesting. There's probably not that many who can tell them that they can't 
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:42:13 PM EDT
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There's probably not that many who can tell them that they can't So true. RHIP 
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:42:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:46:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whatever happened to Napoleon_Tannerite? I halfway expect people around here would pay to see him Leave the Service. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: brb off to join the air force as a pilot IIRC he's flying for the USAF, just nothing sexy. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:47:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IIRC he's flying for the USAF, just nothing sexy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: brb off to join the air force as a pilot IIRC he's flying for the USAF, just nothing sexy. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:48:43 PM EDT
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How come when I say those things everyone says I hate the AF? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why is the AF having this problem and not the other services is my only question? here is the one service that literally revolves around the fighter pilot community, but they can't lead them or retain them without throwing gobs of money at them. what gives? IMO it is 2 things. The personality that is drawn and probably required to function in the airborn battle environment and the culture of the AF. The AF does NOT have combat effectiveness as a core everyday focus. How come when I say those things everyone says I hate the AF? Because you do hate the AF
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:48:54 PM EDT
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I got 22k per year for i think 6 or 7 years back when i signed it in the mid/late '90s. All the fighter pilots are bailing and going to the majors....they are apparently hiring big time now. Lots of the simulator instructors that are retired are jumping on the same bandwagon, the airlines. I was hired at United but chose this sim job instead. Much more relaxing. Oh, and my son leaves for pilot training at Vance AFB this Sunday. Three generations of Fighter Pilots!
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:52:48 PM EDT
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I got 22k per year for i think 6 or 7 years back when i signed it in the mid/late '90s. All the fighter pilots are bailing and going to the majors....they are apparently hiring big time now. Lots of the simulator instructors that are retired are jumping on the same bandwagon, the airlines. I was hired at United but chose this sim job instead. Much more relaxing. Oh, and my son leaves for pilot training at Vance AFB this Sunday. Three generations of Fighter Pilots! Raised him right, Dad. 
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:54:22 PM EDT
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Aren't there guys that are up there in age (Colonels and such) that are fighter pilots? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd take the job WITHOUT the bonus. If the AF would take me even though I'm short on a few qualifications they really want. No four year degree. 48 years old. Waiver me on these things and I'll report to flight training as soon as you've got a slot open. Dude, trust me, at 48, you will be dead of a heart attack pulling through 7 Gs on the way to 9. Under G, typical blood pressure at heart level is 800/600 to achieve 90/50 at the brain to stay awake. That is not a typo. Aren't there guys that are up there in age (Colonels and such) that are fighter pilots? Yes, Lt Cols, Cols, and generals fly. Generals fly with adult supervision. Some Lt Cols and most all Cols in the USAF, do not have the phyical or mental ability to be combat effective due to age. They don't fly combat missions for the most part. They are commanders that fly on occassion and generally speaking can not fly their way out of a wet paper bag. They self limit the Gs they pull because fr the most part, can not handle it. Of course there are exceptions. It is a young man's game. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:55:13 PM EDT
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What a waste...
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:59:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Joint Stars ground radar plane, at least when he got banned here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: IIRC he's flying for the USAF, just nothing sexy. Could do a lot worse than that, I'd think. Of course, I'm the guy whose dream would be flying P-8's or C-17's
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Posted: 7/23/2013 4:00:48 PM EDT
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I got 22k per year for i think 6 or 7 years back when i signed it in the mid/late '90s. All the fighter pilots are bailing and going to the majors....they are apparently hiring big time now. Lots of the simulator instructors that are retired are jumping on the same bandwagon, the airlines. I was hired at United but chose this sim job instead. Much more relaxing. Oh, and my son leaves for pilot training at Vance AFB this Sunday. Three generations of Fighter Pilots! Congrats to your son Bull. That is awesome. I was at Vance, not a bad place for UPT. Majors hiring big time? Might be a bit of an exaggeration. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 4:00:57 PM EDT
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Of course. And having been an IP at the RTU, the majority of guys that come off a 4 year staff back to the jet are worthless with a stick in their hands. Staff is detrimental to having an effective fighter force. Eta. But we both knw that if you don't want a command, the AF doesn't want you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I had the skill set, I would do that forever. I felt like that for 10 years too. And then you realize you can't fly it forever, in fact you can't even fly it for a 20 year career. Pilots get all kinds of non-flying jobs. It's important that every aviator be pressed into filling their staff squares even if they don't want to command. Of course. And having been an IP at the RTU, the majority of guys that come off a 4 year staff back to the jet are worthless with a stick in their hands. Staff is detrimental to having an effective fighter force. Eta. But we both knw that if you don't want a command, the AF doesn't want you. Make them warrant officers....problem solved? |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 4:02:19 PM EDT
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If I had the skill set, I would do that forever. I felt like that for 10 years too. And then you realize you can't fly it forever, in fact you can't even fly it for a 20 year career. Pilots get all kinds of non-flying jobs. It's important that every aviator be pressed into filling their staff squares even if they don't want to command. Of course. And having been an IP at the RTU, the majority of guys that come off a 4 year staff back to the jet are worthless with a stick in their hands. Staff is detrimental to having an effective fighter force. Eta. But we both knw that if you don't want a command, the AF doesn't want you. Make them warrant officers....problem solved? No such thing in the AF. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 4:02:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Raised him right, Dad. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I got 22k per year for i think 6 or 7 years back when i signed it in the mid/late '90s. All the fighter pilots are bailing and going to the majors....they are apparently hiring big time now. Lots of the simulator instructors that are retired are jumping on the same bandwagon, the airlines. I was hired at United but chose this sim job instead. Much more relaxing. Oh, and my son leaves for pilot training at Vance AFB this Sunday. Three generations of Fighter Pilots! Raised him right, Dad. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 4:06:34 PM EDT
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Make them warrant officers....problem solved? No such thing in the AF. The rank is still authorized by law, just not used. Wonder if the AF will ever use them again? |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 4:08:09 PM EDT
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What is a warrant officer?
Is that the USN equivalent of a Sgt.?
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Posted: 7/23/2013 4:08:33 PM EDT
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Drones? In a HEARTBEAT! Can I work from home? Make a control adaptor to PS3, and we'd have millions of qualified pilots. We've got a technology problem, not a pilot problem. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 4:08:40 PM EDT
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Yea, he's done good. Played LB for the AF Falcons played in every game his 4 years and started his senior year, and went to nationals in the discus this past May, finished 24th in the nation. Pretty good for a little dude. Sounds like he's got a lot going for him. Here's to him having a long successful career in the AF. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 4:10:43 PM EDT
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What is a warrant officer? Is that the USN equivalent of a Sgt.? No. "In the United States military, the rank of warrant officer (grade W-1 to CW-5) is rated as an officer above the senior-most enlisted ranks, as well as officer cadets and candidates, but below the officer grade of O-1 (NATO: OF-1). Warrant officers are highly skilled, single-track specialty officers, and while the ranks are authorized by Congress, each branch of the uniformed services selects, manages, and utilizes warrant officers in slightly different ways. For appointment to warrant officer one (W-1), a warrant is approved by the secretary of the respective service. For chief warrant officer ranks (W-2 to W-5), warrant officers are commissioned by the President of the United States and take the same oath as regular commissioned officers (O-1 to O-10)." |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 4:11:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Congrats to your son Bull. That is awesome. I was at Vance, not a bad place for UPT. Majors hiring big time? Might be a bit of an exaggeration. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I got 22k per year for i think 6 or 7 years back when i signed it in the mid/late '90s. All the fighter pilots are bailing and going to the majors....they are apparently hiring big time now. Lots of the simulator instructors that are retired are jumping on the same bandwagon, the airlines. I was hired at United but chose this sim job instead. Much more relaxing. Oh, and my son leaves for pilot training at Vance AFB this Sunday. Three generations of Fighter Pilots! Congrats to your son Bull. That is awesome. I was at Vance, not a bad place for UPT. Majors hiring big time? Might be a bit of an exaggeration. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 4:15:57 PM EDT
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What is a warrant officer? Is that the USN equivalent of a Sgt.? Warrant officers are still officers but are specialists in their field. They are above the enlisted ranks and below the commissioned officer ranks. It's a special kind of hell for smart motherfuckers. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 4:17:06 PM EDT
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What is a warrant officer? Is that the USN equivalent of a Sgt.? They are specialists and not command officers. Army helo pilots are generally warrant officers. I ended up turning down my opportunity to commission at college (did my 4 years of ROTC but turned down an Army scholarship my junior year) and looked into being an Army pilot after college but never really pursued it like I should have. One of my big regrets. I had no desire to command. I like the idea of being an 'officer' and a specialist in something without all the other hassles associated with being an officer. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 4:18:05 PM EDT
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They are commanders that fly on occasion and generally speaking can not fly their way out of a wet paper bag. They self limit the Gs they pull because for the most part, can not handle it. Of course there are exceptions. It is a young man's game. And so Site Staff was grounded.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 4:27:02 PM EDT
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What is a warrant officer? Is that the USN equivalent of a Sgt.? We are comissioned officers (at CW2 and above) and sit right in between the enlisted and RLO ranks. In the Army the majority of us (helicopter pilots) are warrants. We are older than our RLO counterparts in the cockpit and other branches as well. Most warrants are prior enlisted. This is quite advantageous when integrating with ground units. Enlisted salute us, call us Sir or Chief. And we salute all the other officer ranks. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 4:29:30 PM EDT
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Guys on here are making it sound like they are giving a $225k signing bonus to guys to sign up to be a fighter pilot... that isn't what is happening. From what I read they are offering a $225k bonus to veteran fighter pilots who are 11 years in and get the $225 to sign for 9 more years to get to their 20. There is no problem getting enough new pilots, there is a problem retaining the vets after 11 years... thats how I read it at least.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 4:32:11 PM EDT
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Oh, and my son leaves for pilot training at Vance AFB this Sunday. Three generations of Fighter Pilots! Congrats on the three generations thing. I am third generation as well. Not to be a smartass, but do you know he is going to be a fighter pilot as a fact ?
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Posted: 7/23/2013 4:32:31 PM EDT
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Not a bit of exaggeration. Put it this way. We have sim IPs who have been non current for over 5 years getting interviews with the Majors. Word is, in the hundreds of thousands over the next decade or so. No one is staying in, the majors are absorbing every one of em! Hell, i am even contemplating it.....but i doubt it. I fucking hate hotels! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I got 22k per year for i think 6 or 7 years back when i signed it in the mid/late '90s. All the fighter pilots are bailing and going to the majors....they are apparently hiring big time now. Lots of the simulator instructors that are retired are jumping on the same bandwagon, the airlines. I was hired at United but chose this sim job instead. Much more relaxing. Oh, and my son leaves for pilot training at Vance AFB this Sunday. Three generations of Fighter Pilots! Congrats to your son Bull. That is awesome. I was at Vance, not a bad place for UPT. Majors hiring big time? Might be a bit of an exaggeration. Which ones are hiring? There are only 3 majors left, plus JetBlue, Southwest and FedEx and UPS. The rest are RJs. There has been a bunch of shit put out about a pilot shortage coming, but I don't see it. Besides, don't think of it as flying or staying in hotels, think of it as bar hoping across the country by airplane. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 4:33:46 PM EDT
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Guys on here are making it sound like they are giving a $225k signing bonus to guys to sign up to be a fighter pilot... that isn't what is happening. From what I read they are offering a $225k bonus to veteran fighter pilots who are 11 years in and get the $225 to sign for 9 more years to get to their 20. There is no problem getting enough new pilots, there is a problem retaining the vets after 11 years... thats how I read it at least. Exactly. |
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