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Posted: 9/6/2010 1:42:24 PM EDT
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[Flamesuit] Government spending got us out of the last depression. We spent a shitload on airplanes, guns, bombs, bullets, ships, tanks, etc. At least if we have to do it this way we'll have roads and bridges to drive on for the nest fifty years. [/Flamesuit]
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Posted: 9/6/2010 1:45:07 PM EDT
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Taking from everyone and trying to give it to the blue collar working man has always been a go-to play for socialists. Worked perfectly for Hitler.
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Posted: 9/6/2010 1:52:35 PM EDT
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As a truck driver, I'm not sure where the fuck this POS thinks he will find any road construction crews available to take on additional work...
All I do all day is dodge and/or putz along through miles of "work" sites festooned with threatening "fines doubled" signs. The other common theme in most of these "work" sites is no one is working on a fucking thing, if they are even present at all. I think the real winners are the fucking orange cone manufacturers. I disagree with the posters that said this proposal was all about sucking up to the union construction companies. There are plenty of non-union outfits out there. They all employ ILLEGALS at government-mandated union pay levels... 
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Posted: 9/6/2010 1:52:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: none of which really require "skilled" labor. Quoted: First the auto unions, now the construction unions. He just doesn't get it, government doesn't make prosperity. The private sector does. unions don't make prosperity. Corporations do. And who do you think gets those contracts...the unions? Halliburton builds roads, bridges and airports. You need to quit listening to that fkn idiot entertainer, Limpjaw Another ignorance based opinion. Today's speech. Start right here, at six minutes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfimPc8NUp8  |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 2:15:26 PM EDT
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Not as stupid a you might think.
A lot of voted to be gained from hispanics and illegals in the construction industry. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 2:33:34 PM EDT
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First the auto unions, now the construction unions. He just doesn't get it, government doesn't make prosperity. The private sector does. unions don't make prosperity. Corporations do. And who do you think gets those contracts...the unions? Halliburton builds roads, bridges and airports. You need to quit listening to that fkn idiot entertainer, Limpjaw 15 years as a Local # 1 Ironworker, and as the son of subcontractor, I think I know a little about it. You can't build this country strictly on government highways and the repair of same. Besides I don't remember ever once being on a Halliburton job site here in the US. The job sites I worked on where all local general contractors, as were the highways my dad had contracts on in the '50s, 60's, 70's 80's and 90's. I truly don't know what you are talking about. It is the commercial buildings that really eat up the available work force not government make work jobs. Seven years ago driving into Chicago I could count 9 tower cranes. Last week none. Each of those cranes was rented by private corporations here in Chicago, and each signified a job of over 5 stories. Each of those sites signified jobs for electricians, Ironworkers, pipe fitters, carpenters, glaziers, operators, roofers, and concrete finishers, all skilled jobs. Each job site eats up more and varied workers than any highway make work job would ever dream of employing. While the unions undoubtedly profited by the jobs, each of those jobs signified the success of private industry and capitalism. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 2:34:17 PM EDT
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[Flamesuit] Government spending got us out of the last depression. We spent a shitload on airplanes, guns, bombs, bullets, ships, tanks, etc. At least if we have to do it this way we'll have roads and bridges to drive on for the nest fifty years. [/Flamesuit] You don't need a flamesuit. You need a couple of college level Economics classes. 
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Posted: 9/6/2010 2:37:10 PM EDT
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Infrastructure, while important, does not sustain jobs. Once the road, railway or runway is built, they're done for 50+ years. Once built, they won't spawn new roads, runways or railways. The only way to create job growth is to stimulate those areas where the growth and continue after unkle sugar cuts off the taps. Same thing with tax "holidays". If I'm a small business and I know I'm getting 15-30 days of tax breaks, I'm not going to hire new employees because I know the holiday will end and it'll end up costing me more afterwards. Instead, I'm going to either pocket the cash to rebuild my reserves or maybe reinvest in durable goods like equipment. If it wasn't for the seriousness of the moment, its actually quite amusing to watch the short sightedness of these people. So we shouldn't spend any money on infrastructure, just let the shit go until when? Never let a disaster go to waste. Infrastructure is failing and no one is denying that. However, which is more important, a shiny new road or getting someone a job and off welfare? The way in which he's prioritizing shows a complete lack of management skills. Get the economy going again, get people paying tax receipts then start working on infrastructure. As I said before, doing this and a "tax holiday" won't solve anything since there is a finite end. Instead, work on ways that'll self-sustain themselves once the federal money ends. Unless, they put toll booths on every one of these projects, they won't help in the long term. Doesn't fit with the administration's muzak, everything must spring from the government. He is showing where his priorities lie, they lie with getting as many, and as fast as possible on the public dole. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 3:11:49 PM EDT
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Wasn't the "infrastructure" the focus of all the "shovel ready projects" back during the first stimulus?
Aaaaaannnnnddd how did that work out? 
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Posted: 9/6/2010 3:17:14 PM EDT
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WPA, here we come!!! |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 3:22:03 PM EDT
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Wasn't the 2009 Stimulus supposed to be full of "shovel-ready" infrastructure projects? That trillion should have been able to cover most infrastructure needs.
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Posted: 9/6/2010 3:54:56 PM EDT
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He just doesn't get it.
If he said "I'm stopping the spending" - Main street would perk up rather than cower. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 3:56:39 PM EDT
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had he done this, as its neede badly before the trillions he spent, Id support him
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Posted: 9/6/2010 3:57:38 PM EDT
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So wait, what the fuck was the 800 billion for? 
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Posted: 9/6/2010 4:28:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: As a truck driver, I'm not sure where the fuck this POS thinks he will find any road construction crews available to take on additional work... All I do all day is dodge and/or putz along through miles of "work" sites festooned with threatening "fines doubled" signs. The other common theme in most of these "work" sites is no one is working on a fucking thing, if they are even present at all. I think the real winners are the fucking orange cone manufacturers. I disagree with the posters that said this proposal was all about sucking up to the union construction companies. There are plenty of non-union outfits out there. They all employ ILLEGALS at government-mandated union pay levels... My neighbor does pretty well with construction zones. He's a county deputy and gets something like $25 an hour when he's off duty to sit in his crown vic with the AC running, lights flashing, burning county gas while he texts and surfs the web on his phone. Pretty sweet deal  |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:02:58 PM EDT
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As a truck driver, I'm not sure where the fuck this POS thinks he will find any road construction crews available to take on additional work... All I do all day is dodge and/or putz along through miles of "work" sites festooned with threatening "fines doubled" signs. The other common theme in most of these "work" sites is no one is working on a fucking thing, if they are even present at all. I think the real winners are the fucking orange cone manufacturers. I disagree with the posters that said this proposal was all about sucking up to the union construction companies. There are plenty of non-union outfits out there. They all employ ILLEGALS at government-mandated union pay levels... My neighbor does pretty well with construction zones. He's a county deputy and gets something like $25 an hour when he's off duty to sit in his crown vic with the AC running, lights flashing, burning county gas while he texts and surfs the web on his phone. Pretty sweet deal $25? Pffft... up here it is anywhere from $65 - 100 an hour. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:11:38 PM EDT
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Vowing to find new ways to stimulate the sputtering economy, President Barack Obama will call for long-term investments in the nation's roads, railways and runways that would cost at least $50 billion.
The infrastructure investments are one part of a package of targeted proposals the White House is expected to announce in hopes of jump-starting the economy ahead of the November election. Obama will outline the infrastructure proposal Monday at a Labor Day event in Milwaukee. While the proposal calls for investments over six years, the White House said spending would be front-loaded with an initial $50 billion to help create jobs in the near future. The goals of the infrastructure plan include: rebuilding 150,000 miles of roads; constructing and maintaining 4,000 miles of railways, enough to go coast-to-coast; and rehabilitating or reconstructing 150 miles of airport runways, while also installing a new air navigation system designed to reduce travel times and delays. Obama will also call for the creation of a permanent infrastructure bank that would focus on funding national and regional infrastructure projects. Administration officials wouldn't say what the total cost of the infrastructure investments would be, but did say the initial $50 billion represents a significant percentage. Officials said the White House would consider closing a number of special tax breaks for oil and gas companies to pay for the proposal. Obama made infrastructure investments a central part of the $814 billion stimulus Congress passed last year, but with that spending winding down, the economy's growth has slowed. Officials said this infrastructure package differs from the stimulus because it's aimed at long-term growth, while still focusing on creating jobs in the short-term. In a Labor Day interview on CBS'"Early Show," Labor Secretary Hilda Solis said the plan Obama was to unveil Monday would "put construction workers, welders, electricians back to work ... folks that have been unemployed for a long time." With the unemployment rate ticking up to 9.6 percent, and polls showing the midterm elections could be dismal for Democrats, the president has promised to unveil a series of new measures on the economy. In addition to Monday's announcement in Milwaukee, Obama will travel to Cleveland Wednesday to pitch a $100 billion proposal to increase and make permanent research and development tax credits for businesses, a White House official said. While the idea is popular in Congress, coming up with offsetting tax increases or spending cuts has been a stumbling block. Similar to his proposal to pay for the infrastructure investments, Obama will ask lawmakers to close tax breaks for oil and gas companies and multinational corporations to pay for the plan. Other stimulus measures the administration is considering include extending a law passed in March that exempts companies that hire unemployed workers from paying Social Security taxes on those workers through December. Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., has proposed extending the exemption an additional six months. Obama is also continuing to prod the Senate to pass the small business bill that calls for about $12 billion in tax breaks and a $30 billion fund to help unfreeze lending. Republicans have likened the bill to the unpopular bailout of the financial industry. And the president wants to make permanent the portion of George W. Bush's tax cuts affecting the middle class. Wary of the public's concern over rising deficits, the administration insists a second stimulus plan, similar to last year's $814 billion bill, is not in the works. You guys catch the part in red? |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:15:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: As a truck driver, I'm not sure where the fuck this POS thinks he will find any road construction crews available to take on additional work... All I do all day is dodge and/or putz along through miles of "work" sites festooned with threatening "fines doubled" signs. The other common theme in most of these "work" sites is no one is working on a fucking thing, if they are even present at all. I think the real winners are the fucking orange cone manufacturers. I disagree with the posters that said this proposal was all about sucking up to the union construction companies. There are plenty of non-union outfits out there. They all employ ILLEGALS at government-mandated union pay levels... My neighbor does pretty well with construction zones. He's a county deputy and gets something like $25 an hour when he's off duty to sit in his crown vic with the AC running, lights flashing, burning county gas while he texts and surfs the web on his phone. Pretty sweet deal $25? Pffft... up here it is anywhere from $65 - 100 an hour. It's all relative, sweet deal to them since the county only pays deputies here around $16 an hour starting out. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:20:07 PM EDT
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BHO is saddling my grandchildren's generation with a huge debt. BHO doesn't have to pay for it, but his grandchildren will; he will pass it to the next guy, and the next, and the next.
Funny, the Dems have a great disdain for business, but is first to call on it to dig themselves out of the financial mess they created. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:31:04 PM EDT
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Obama's 'plan' overlooks one thing - there's no desire, outside of the public sector unions who will be bailed out by this, for anymore Keynesian boondoggles.
People are done with the bogus 'stimulus' plans. They understand that the only thing they stimulate is lack of consumer and investor confidence. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:32:32 PM EDT
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More handouts to unions. None to people who actually EARN what they're paid.
More spending we can't afford. A larger bureaucracy that eats more of our tax dollars and gives damned little of value in return. This is the Obama Way. My solution: Across the board, eliminate no less than 75 percent of all government jobs. Only the military remains intact and its numbers untouched. All .gov agencies that did not exist 30 years ago are eliminated. Most entitlements get axed. It'd result in a lot more people looking for work right away. That sounds bad, but when you have a lot of people looking for a source of income and there aren't any jobs available, it inspires creativity. People will CREATE their own jobs. Small businesses start this way. When America was colonized, there were no jobs waiting for the colonists. Nor did they need them. They got busy with the daily tasks required to live and didn't bitch about not having any luck with their resume'. We didn't even migrate primarily to a job-based economy until well into the 20th century. Not having a job isn't the end of the world. Not having a clue how to live when there are no jobs IS the end of the world. CJ |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:35:24 PM EDT
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Sounds like the same "shovel ready" shit he spewed last year that went exactly no-damn-where. That's exactly what I was thinking........ |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:57:27 PM EDT
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So he's basically admitting that the 800+ billion porkulus package he rammed through last year didn't do anything but go straight into union pockets and buy tens of thousands of "This project funded by the porkulus package" signs? Because buying signs to remind us of how our borrowed money is being wasted is going to stimulate the economy
Who wants to bet that 1 year after this bill is passed it will be revealed that about a tenth of the money actually went to highway construction and the rest was spent on design firms, feasibility studies and "other expenses". |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 6:53:18 PM EDT
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If I had to guess, I'd say that this 50 billion is designed to be a bunch of giveaways to interest groups in important districts in hopes of boosting the chances of some key democrats. They are calling it stimulus but in reality I bet it's an attempt at just buying some voters.
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Posted: 9/6/2010 6:56:18 PM EDT
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I actually believe in spending on infrastructure. America has fallen way behind and our infrastructure is in terrible shape.
However, spending even more when our deficit/national debt is so massive would be moronic. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:41:55 PM EDT
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The goals of the infrastructure plan include: rebuilding 150,000 miles of roads; constructing and maintaining 4,000 miles of railways, enough to go coast-to-coast; and rehabilitating or reconstructing 150 miles of airport runways, while also installing a new air navigation system designed to reduce travel times and delays. While our Nation's infrastructure is in terrible shape (the ASCE rated it as a "D" in 2009), the scary thing is that the $50 Billion that Obongo wants to spend is just a drop in the bucket (the same organization stated that we need to spend $2.2 Trillion over the next 5 years, and that just brings it to a "B" IIRC). The problem is that the Democrats are responsible for the mess that our infrastructure is in. In 2007, the CBO was warned that the Highway Trust Fund would probably face a deficit in 2009. Instead, they divert funds to greenways. For example, the Democratic Mayor of Nashville, TN touted that the greenways will help reduce commuting times. A Democratic Political Family in the State (the Gore Family) is also partly responsible for why one cannot travel by rail between Nashville and Knoxville without going through Chattanooga. No, I don't think Obongo or any Democrat for that matter will be able to solve the problems with the infrastructure our Country face. $50 Billion might sound like a lot, but it is 2.27% of what the ASCE is asking for. Meanwhile, how much money do we waste in foreign aid to countries that are likely never to see a dime back in return? James |
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