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Posted: 7/22/2013 9:12:08 PM EDT
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Funny how many people think that the ATF are genuinely trying to help us. They already know what they want to change...this just gives them an excuse to say "this is what the people want"
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Posted: 7/22/2013 9:13:17 PM EDT
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So the ATF admits the NFA is unconstitutional and acknowledges that it knows the NFA is unconstitutional? Interesting indeed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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“While the NFA was enacted by Congress as an exercise of its authority to tax, the NFA had an underlying purpose unrelated to revenue collection,” the ATF overview continues. “As the legislative history of the law discloses, its underlying purpose was to curtail, if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms.” Interesting...... So the ATF admits the NFA is unconstitutional and acknowledges that it knows the NFA is unconstitutional? Interesting indeed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I want a refund for every tax stamp then! |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 9:27:56 PM EDT
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I believe that it's $200 too expensive and one form too many
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Posted: 7/22/2013 10:35:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about this... Same background nics check for a tax stamp. Right there at the dealer, send the paperwork and approval to mother fuckers with 200 bucks and they just crank out the stamps. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 1:38:26 AM EDT
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The proposed change to the size of the form, i.e., 8.5" x 14" will- not kidding here- act as a deterrent for individuals looking to submit the form. This is the reason why South Carolina's "no concealed weapons allowed" sign was intentionally required to be bigger than the common 8.5" x 11"... So there would be a psychological and practical barrier impeding the owner of a premises from simply printing one out on presumably available standard printer paper. Oppose this change to the paper size. Kharn |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 2:33:22 AM EDT
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Interesting...... Quote HistoryQuoted:
“While the NFA was enacted by Congress as an exercise of its authority to tax, the NFA had an underlying purpose unrelated to revenue collection,” the ATF overview continues. “As the legislative history of the law discloses, its underlying purpose was to curtail, if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms.” Interesting...... Well yeah. I have read through the debate transcripts on it, what a cluster, and we came pretty darn close to having Handguns be NFA items. 
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Posted: 7/23/2013 2:34:10 AM EDT
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Am I reading the notice wrong or does it mention the possibility of electronic submission of forms? There has been talk of that since early last year. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 2:41:38 AM EDT
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Every time I read something like this I expect something like this:  |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 2:46:40 AM EDT
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That's so messed up... Quote HistoryQuoted:
“While the NFA was enacted by Congress as an exercise of its authority to tax, the NFA had an underlying purpose unrelated to revenue collection,” the ATF overview continues. “As the legislative history of the law discloses, its underlying purpose was to curtail, if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms.” That's so messed up... Yeah you know it's bad when they rub it in our face that the law is blatantly unconstitutional and they don't given a shit. Crime control? No we just wanted to discourage legal ownership of entire classes of weapons by law abiding citizens. 
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Posted: 7/23/2013 2:53:54 AM EDT
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The proposed application form changes should expand revenue collection options, and it could be argued it will facilitate, rather than curtail transactions. That is ATF speak meaning it WILL in fact curtail transactions. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:01:19 AM EDT
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8.5" x 14" panic buy of 2013
Going to buy some paper and list it on GunBroker 
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Posted: 7/23/2013 4:09:39 AM EDT
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The requirement of engraving of the Form 1 maker's name on a already manufactured firearm is ridiculous. All of the information to trace the firearm is already present on the gun. Let's say you have a Colt 6920 lower with serial number LE123456 that you want to SBR on a Form 1. Engraving the SBR's maker name doesn't allow the BATF to trace this gun better. The Colt manufacturer markings and already present serial number are plenty sufficient to track this gun in the BATF NFA database, and the Form 1 maker is listed on the approved Form 1.
I would bet the increase in the form paper size is to allow them to include the "Certificate of Compliance" on the Form 1, which is now a separate form that needs to be included with a Form 1 submission. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:40:36 PM EDT
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This has the potential to be good.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:46:16 PM EDT
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“While the NFA was enacted by Congress as an exercise of its authority to tax, the NFA had an underlying purpose unrelated to revenue collection,” the ATF overview continues. “As the legislative history of the law discloses, its underlying purpose was to curtail, if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms.” Interesting...... This was news to somebody? |
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Posted: 7/24/2013 8:37:51 AM EDT
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This was news to somebody? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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“While the NFA was enacted by Congress as an exercise of its authority to tax, the NFA had an underlying purpose unrelated to revenue collection,” the ATF overview continues. “As the legislative history of the law discloses, its underlying purpose was to curtail, if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms.” Interesting...... This was news to somebody? It is interesting when a major government agency admits that it routinely violates the constitution, and nothing happens. |
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Posted: 7/24/2013 9:49:52 AM EDT
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It is interesting when a major government agency admits that it routinely violates the constitution, and nothing happens. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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“While the NFA was enacted by Congress as an exercise of its authority to tax, the NFA had an underlying purpose unrelated to revenue collection,” the ATF overview continues. “As the legislative history of the law discloses, its underlying purpose was to curtail, if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms.” Interesting...... This was news to somebody? It is interesting when a major government agency admits that it routinely violates the constitution, and nothing happens. I don't see them admitting any wrongdoing. I see them hiding behind "history of the law" to justify the decades of extra-constitutional power exerted over the people. IOW, they claim the "spirit" of the law is exactly what they have always done. |
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Posted: 7/24/2013 9:56:00 AM EDT
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What's their angle in this? Getting rid of the CLEO signature requirement, while also requiring fingerprints, photograph for trusts, IIRC ETA: Maybe not this particular public comment thing then |
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Posted: 7/24/2013 9:59:35 AM EDT
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Getting rid of the CLEO signature requirement, while also requiring fingerprints, photograph for trusts, IIRC Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's their angle in this? Getting rid of the CLEO signature requirement, while also requiring fingerprints, photograph for trusts, IIRC If it's anything like what I remember being proposed earlier this year regarding photographing and fingerprinting of all members of the trust/LLC, they can shove that change up their asses. ETA: That was an earlier proposed change from the beginning of the year. |
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