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I take it back. Petzal gets it. He just chose to live the words of Martin Niemoller.
First they came for the Communists (EBRs), and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, (Scoped sniper rifles) and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, (handguns and shotguns) and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, (knife in hand) and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me. (and yea I was surely fucked) by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945 |
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You realize what this is don't you? It's advice for Sarah, thinly veiled but directed right at her and her minions and he wants us to look bad. Fuck him. He is as much our enemy as she is. |
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Exactly! |
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You know what? If I were the gun control lobby, and I were ramping up for another go at the Assault Weapons Ban, I think I'd try to revisit the conditions that got it passed in '94. I almost have to wonder whether Mr. Petzel hasn't been contacted by old Brady, VPC et. al. and committed to carry the water. Maybe he assigned old Zumbo that article. Which is why Zumbo's so inept at defending it. Maybe that's why it sounded so anti-gun. If any of us come across Zumbo or Petzel, I propose putting the question to them. Be it on radio, in print, or otherwise: SIRS: Did you have contact with any anti-gun organization about the assault weapons legislation? I mean really, how is it that the coordinated press efforts hit the fan just as this article pops up? Christ, pull out a TV guide and you'll see heavy rotation for "American President" (the movie with Michael J. Fox and Michael Douglas, who famously utters "I'm going to get the guns."). |
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My opinion was spoken to the Blog. This is for damn sure a wake up call to the hunting community that thinks their guns will always be safe.
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Petzal is a putz. I'm sick of this ignorant Fudds - don't they realize the signficance of what they're saying?
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My reply :
I'll start with the fact that I'm a hunter that owns more then a few finely crafted firearms , but in the same breath I am also a shooter who enjoys shooting a quality semi-auto rifle . NOTE THAT , a semi-auto is not an assault weapon . Which by definition is a weapon capable of AUTOMATIC fire . The reason that Mr Zumbo drew such ire is because he couldn't make that distinction . Nor did he understand that ALL firearm owners are under attack by those who disarm us . So called black rifle owners have good reason to be sensitive to attacks on their right to keep and bear arms since they have already felt the 10 year long sting that was the last poorly conceived assault weapon ban . Something that most who call themselves hunters have never encountered . It's well beyond the time that every gun owner should understand that this game with the anti-gun crowd is for all the marbles this time . So I have to ask .. Et tu Petzal ? |
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Good for you. If you are a gunowner, Time-Warner is not your friend. |
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I am so sick of these guys.
When did it become fashionable for fat, slovenly hunter-types who write for a living to become fans of Chairman Mao? I thought they were Americans. |
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Didn't he come out for the AW Ban in 1994?...... |
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"The American public -- and the gun-owning public; especially the gun-owning public -- would be better off without the hardcore military arms, which puts the average sportsman in a real dilemma" Sorry TBK1, it's time to throw this FUDD under a bus like he did us in 1994. wganz ¶ ETA: So I have to ask .. Et tu Petzal ? |
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I missed it at the time, but it is posted above that he did. That, coupled with this, would seem to make a reasonable and tempered "assault" a worthwhile endeavor. Such things as crude and vulgar insults and death threats are HUGELY nonproductive to the point of being downright harmful to our cause. Hopefully everyone can avoid coming across as coarse buffoons. Facts and reason, presented in a respectful manner, are what will win this. Childish insults only hurt the effort. |
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Her minions will do more than that. They'll point out that a respected member of the gun community as Petzal is doesn't even attempt to defend EBRs as protected by the 2nd. In fact he doesn't mention it so he must believe it's about the NG too. F'in tool. ESADMF ETA I'm startin' to wonder if Time Warner has put out the word they want no talk of the 2nd Amendment. These guys are scramblin' to save each other's asses but they're avoiding saying what they ABSOLUTELY KNOW will save it. Maybe it's not salvageable. Good by Petzal, you've hidden for too long. Too bad you might be caught between a rock and a hard place. |
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Yep. I agree. Keep it civilized. |
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my reply:
There is no place that I'm aware of in the constitution where the right to HUNT guaranteed. However the right to bear arms is. Zumbo may be a fine huntsman but he also showed himself to be ignorant and elitest. Zumbo has every right to his opinion and I have every right to mine. Which is to NOT support with my Dollars anyone or any company which support Zumbos opinion. He is unemployable by his own hand. I'll be adding David E. Petzal and Field & Stream to my do not support list. Posted by: Steven Bass | February 22, 2007 at 10:28 PM |
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After reading this post in the F&S thread, I just feel so... inferior.
Wow Dave, Seems like the blog world has brought the best of people. It also seems like the regulars in this room are out numbed today. Where were they on the Hillary rant? Isn’t she more dangerous than Jim Zumbo? I think most people know the hunting community has different echelons of class and education and this argument will never end. When “waging war on prairie dogs” some people like a good ole’ Stolle action……..and some want an assault rifle. Each person goes the range with whatever they want. It seems like the majority of people commenting here (today) are ignorant. See you next week when we get back to talking about booth babes, hunts and great guns (not necessarily in that order). Fudds. God love 'em. |
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You guys see? I TOLD you that this was going to bring out all the traitors.
Zumbo's blog post was like putting a hot washcloth on a bad zit. Those Fuddites who are anti-gunners are now all going to start popping out. Get the disinfectant! |
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My response:
Please someone change the thread title to call for a FIREMISSION. |
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I would really like for Dave to explain how Zumbo's attitude towards AR15s is different than those of the Brady Bunch.
What a dipshit. To get the Fudds' attention, I suggest that if it's inevitable there is going to be another ban, we should make sure that bolt guns and over and under shotguns are included. |
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KY BOB!!!
GOOD LOOKIN OUT!!! Hit the blog and cancelled my subscription. These Fudds just dont get it. |
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Sounds like a surgical procedure:
"I'm sorry but we have to admit you to perform a 'ZUMBO & PETZAL' on you" |
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Fired one off for our side. Get er done boys and girls.
Best Regards, HTG |
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Found one of the comments he made here
My response: (I hit a few of the "Fudd and proud" types while I was at it.)
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Time -Warner is the real enemy, Field ans stream and Outdoor life are just travel magazines with a hunting edge. Time warner has its stooge writers working from within to get the Fudds to willingly give up our rights.
Sport Utility rifle shooters are at the Vanguard of our Civil rights movement. We should be proud to clean house , it is a long time coming.These Fuds sat on their hands while their kids got saddled with GCA of 68, Reagans machine gun registry ban , Bush seniors import ban, Clintons AWB. The snowball is rolling faster and it is up to an informed internet Movement to mobilize and stop it. |
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Well stated. |
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+1 Lets go Joe McCarthy on their asses |
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I sent out a bulletin on myspace and also to everyone on my email list calling for a boycott of time Warner Publications. Cut and paste ans send to whoever you like if you like. As Follows: Date: Feb 22, 2007 7:33 PM Subject : Boycott Time Warner Publications and Advertisers. Body: Time Warner through 2 of it's major magazine contributors has expressed in CLEAR language their lack of support of the Second Ammendment of the U.S. Constitution. Specifically, Jim Zumbo (already fired from Outdoor Life) and now David Petzal of Field and Stream Magazine. BOTH of these "gun writers" have advocated the ban of assault weapons. For those on my friends list who are not shooters, the Second Ammendment GUARANTEES the rights of citizens to "keep and bear arms". This means guns. Yeah, we all have a right to own guns here in The United States of America! Not just the Army, not just the police. The second Ammendment specifically states that the PEOPLE (you and me) have the right to own guns. Just like you have the right to go to whatever church you want, or the right not to go to church. Just like you have the right to vote, free speech and equal protection under the law. Guess what keeps those rights in place? Guess what GUARANTEES those rights? Yep... it's the fact that CITIZENS own Guns! Ok for those non shooter friends of mine.... here's the 2nd Ammendment...worth reading even if you don't shoot. "Amendment II A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. " It is right there in plain English... short and sweet. It specifies a militia AND it specifies the PEOPLE seperately and individually. Time Warner Publications authors have taken the position that you, the citizen, you the people, are not guaranteed this right. So long as they employ authors who endorse restricting our rights, I will not buy any of their products and encourage all my friends, shooters and non shooters alike to follow suit. The message being sent by Time Warner is dangerous, it threatens the very rights we enjoy and are ENTITLED to as Americans! Please email this to others whether they shoot or not, because tampering with one right leads to tampering with EVERY RIGHT. Thank You. For those on ARF... I know...... redundant..... |
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Well, on a positive note, the enemies of the 2nd amendment are exposing themselves. Usually cockroaches scurry from the light. |
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WHAT THE MOTHER FUCK OVER!?!?! retard! |
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AMEN |
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Wait till we find out GoDaddy is a subsidiary of Time Warner..
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Very well written Tango, I wish I could articulate that well. Good Job. |
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Nice save. |
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My reply to David Petzal's blog:
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This quote from that clown really pisses me off.
"he has done more for the sport than any 250 of the yahoos who called for his blood" This guy basically called everyone of the recreational shooters, current and former soldiers, and hunters who stood up to Zumbo a bunch of idiots. What an arrogant ass. |
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I posted this response on that blog:
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Edit: OOOPS should have read farther than page one before posting.
www.franksmyth.com/A5584C/clients/franksmyth/frankS2.nsf/ad6eb2ddfbe72a8285256b6c00561193/e45165e76e92dfba85256b7b00790691?OpenDocument David E. Petzal, for one, thinks the present radicalization of the NRA is hurting the interests of gun owners. Petzal, who has given thousands of dollars to the NRA, writes the "Endangered Tradition" column in Field and Stream, another centenarian institution, many of whose 2 million readers are also in the NRA. This June, the magazine made a landmark decision to break with the NRA. "it took tremendous courage," says executive editor Petzal. "The bugle call known as reveille is a cheerful, energetic tune that, when I was in the Army, few soldiers actually got to hear," he writes in an editorial. "Real-world reveille came for gun owners this February," in the form of the assault weapons ban. Petzall like the NRA, believes that this legislation is too broad. This is partly because it would ban weapons like "the AR-15/M-16, and the MIA in modified [semiautomatic] form, which are highly accurate, and have a legitimate place in organized target competition." But assault weapons are also implicated in terrible acts of violence, like the Stockton, California, shooting in which a deranged man killed five children and wounded 29 others using a semiautomatic AK-47 clone. "Gun owners -- all gun owners -- pay a heavy price for having to defend the availability of these weapons," writes Petzal. "The American public -- and the gun-owning public; especially the gun-owning public -- would be better off without the hardcore military arms, which puts the average sportsman in a real dilemma" Petzal concludes by advocating compromise, something that Knox and other members of his regime say they will never accept. |
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This guy definitely needs to go the way of Zumbo. |
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no shit...talk about about a sleeping fucking giant that I had no clue there was this much hatred by our own kind (if you choose to put them in the same category as us) |
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This was my response :
Mr. Petzal, you have missed the point entirely. The 2nd Amendment has absolutley nothing to do with hunting and is solely about preserving liberty and freedom. This fact continues to confuse you and many of your fellow writers and friends in the professional hunting world. Your pal Zumbo didn't just voice an opinion that AR's weren't suitable for hunting. He called them terrorist rifles. Remington, the NRA, Gerber, and others have done the right thing by turning their back on Jim "Elmer Fudd" Zumbo,and turning him into persona non grata almost overnight. He deserves what he got. I will make sure that I support these companies more. As for Field and Stream, as long as you are a part of it, I'll never buy another issue. Since you have chosen to back Zumbo, and defend him against us evil black rifle owners, then you too deserve to be "Zumboed". Hopefully soon, you and Zumbo can take a nice hunting trip with your precious walnut stocked bolt guns. You will both have plenty of time since you will both be unemployed, and need the meat to live on. Be vewwy quiet.....were hunting wabitts!! |
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