Posted: 8/3/2009 4:33:16 PM EDT
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Couple of thoughts:
The Bible quote is mis-applied. No sir, I do not "mis-apply" Scripture. Jesus went on to say: 17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. It is clear that Jesus is saying that we are defiled by our decisions to sin and do wrong. It is not the "environment" that corrupts people, but their own heart. Manson was not a "victim of his environment"; he is a rebellious sinner. I still say you mis-apply the Bible quote. Christ is talking about the difference of violating the eating laws of the Jews (defilement from without) versus the violations of God's love (from within). Nothing a man eats can defile him compared to an evil thought or act he chooses. He was not referring to sources of behavior. He was not saying that all bad behavior comes from the heart of the acting man. What I was pointing out is that bad behavior is not necessarily evil. A man can act poorly but not be evil because he is ignorant or incapable mentally to be responsible. You are correct in that the Scripture passage does say that evil arises from within the heart of man (he chose to let it rise). If evil is the source of the bad action then yes, it came from within a man. But, not all bad actions are from an evil source within that man. For instance, a mentally incapacitated man could kill someone at the urging of a conscience bad person. The evil did not arise from within the heart of the actor, but from the heart of the instigator who took advantage of the actor's limited mental ability. At any rate, I believe Manson is fully responsible for his actions, and will say yet again, he is a monster. If you had included the complete Bible passage it would read such: Mark 7
- Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
- And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
- For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
- And
when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
- Then
the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
- He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias
prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
- Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
- For
laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
- And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
- For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
- But
ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
- And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
- Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
- And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
- There
is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
- If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
- And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
- And
he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
- Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
- And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
- For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
- Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
- All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
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