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Posted: 9/21/2004 10:17:42 PM EDT

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As I understand it you are correct about the recallees being mostly technical types as you listed, but make no mistake, with the type of fighting going on over there, there is no "safe area" being dead from a mortar is just as dead as from a bullet. Of course I was a "support" MOS, but was trained fairly well in how to fight, maybe it was just our leadership at the time, but we regularly focused on combat training.

Posted: 9/21/2004 10:26:45 PM EDT

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What is the "Individual Ready Reserve"?

Nowadays, it's ~2yrs at the end of your 8-year contract. You serve 6, go IRR, giving FedGov the option to call you up if needed.

After the callups for GW1 in '90/'91, NO ONE signing up should ignore the possibility.

And is there anything in that AP article that relates when exactly the deadline date is, or how close they are to it - I've read enough blatant bias in AP-sourced articles to not trust ANY of it anymore. Would not surprise me to find out that the deadline is nowhere near, and that the AP reporter has conveniently ignored that teensy little fact to 'sex up' his piece of 'War Bad, Desertion Good' propaganda.

Posted: 9/21/2004 10:28:12 PM EDT

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You keep that same attitude, sir, when the draft board is inducting your child right after November.

Hmm. Don't see anything to denote Comedy. You another dolt that buys into that Dem lie / fearmongering?

Posted: 9/21/2004 10:30:48 PM EDT

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"Its not about having trouble getting new people, its about needed trained experienced people quickly."

I'm a former 11b who's been waiting on a waiver to be signed for months so I can re enlist into a national guard unit at 38. But it doesn't seem they're going to sign it in time. Typical government, as much as I have sympathy for the soliders who have extended deployments, and the reserves, irr ect., the government is as always doing things that make no sense and considering that, I have no sympathy for the government's mess. Unfortunate their burden is on the common solider though.

Posted: 9/21/2004 10:33:47 PM EDT

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"with the type of fighting going on over there, there is no "safe area""

That's just it, suicide bombers aimed at personelle and equipment, rpg's aimed at helicopters, doesn't matter, if you're in country there you're a target and in considerable danger.

Posted: 9/21/2004 10:35:24 PM EDT

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What is the "Individual Ready Reserve"?

Individual Ready Reserve means you are out of the military for all practical purposes, but they may call you back in if they so chose...

You don't have to drill, you don't get pay or benefits.

But if they decide you are needed, you are required to get your ass to Ft Whatever for re-activation...

Everyone who joins the military for less than an 8yr term gets SOME time as IRR.

Posted: 9/21/2004 10:36:18 PM EDT

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Personally I don't think it is fair as most of these people have already made a sacrifice for this country. I believe it is time for the draft to resume if we are going to stay committed to Iraq.

Quite the mental disconnect / leap. Do you even realize that all that is necessary is a Congressional move to authorize an increase in total force size, and the STILL-VERY-HIGH Enlistment rates will fill the void in short order? A Draft is unnecessary. A Draft will seriously damage the overall morale of our military. A Draft will seriously undermine the Strength & Power of our Military. A Draft, for every reason under the Sun is nothing by a deliberate political ply for the LLLeft so sow discord, weaken our Strength, and attempt a political change they have been completely unable to effect by any other means.
But I think you knew all that. And STILL chose to advocate the Draft.

Posted: 9/21/2004 10:36:32 PM EDT

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They should be made to serve or jailed then pay pack the "loans".

NO SPECIAL TREATMENT, we are at war.

You keep that same attitude, sir, when the draft board is inducting your child right after November.

WTF draft are you talking about???????????

Posted: 9/21/2004 10:40:02 PM EDT

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They should be made to serve or jailed then pay pack the "loans".

NO SPECIAL TREATMENT, we are at war.

You keep that same attitude, sir, when the draft board is inducting your child right after November.

Michael Moore, is that you?

I am not going to argue this subject again. We covered it quite well a few months ago. I think that the Iraq situation is not a national emergency such as to legally and/or morally allow the call-up of inactive reserves, and many members here believe that it is legally sufficent and/or exactly such an emergency.

PS: Not only am I not Moore, I am the County Sportsman for Bush Coordinator, I am on the GOP Executive Committee for the county, I am on the County GOP Candidate Funding Committee, and my wife ushered for Bush's last stop in our area. I do, however, disagree with the Iraq rules of engagement, troop manning levels (Iraq and overall, including men, ships, and a/c), and calling up inactive reserves.

Bullshit, all of it. The only way we would have a draft after November would be if your boy Kerry wins. It is the Dems pushing for the draft and no one else.

Posted: 9/21/2004 10:40:09 PM EDT

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It's called an educated guess. Ask yourself why the draft boards are being brought up to full strength around the nation, though.

"Educated" riight.
Occam's answer - in case of a Terrorist nuclear detonation on the Potomac / the decapitation of our government. The numbers a Draft would provide will be needed, then and only then.
The Bush campaign orgs you listed need to be contacted and told they have a Burkett-class loon working in their ranks.

Posted: 9/21/2004 10:42:31 PM EDT

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Just putting your life in a storage locker and running off to war is not such an easy thing. I'm guessing most of them will get their shit together and show up before they are picked up. Parents will need more time than singles. Some of them are probably trying to explain to their employers that they were still subject to recall and the servo they are designing for the F-35 will just have to wait......

Posted: 9/21/2004 10:44:12 PM EDT

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IRR is a raw fucking deal. it is not made clear in the recruitment process and in my case it wasnt even mentioned. ive got an active hitch and im now a drilling reservist so ill have no IRR commitment but you guys who immediately condemn the IRR no shows then ask what the IRR is need to STFU. im not defending them but you arent in a position to judge. we're talking single parents, people who will lose their homes, and small businesses etc if they get called to the IRR. its a tough spot. they need to lawyer up and handle it correctly. being a no-show is just making it harder.

And you call yourself Devil Dog??????????????? I didn't think Marines whined like this.

Posted: 9/21/2004 10:51:21 PM EDT

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IRR is a raw fucking deal. it is not made clear in the recruitment process and in my case it wasnt even mentioned. ive got an active hitch and im now a drilling reservist so ill have no IRR commitment but you guys who immediately condemn the IRR no shows then ask what the IRR is need to STFU. im not defending them but you arent in a position to judge. we're talking single parents, people who will lose their homes, and small businesses etc if they get called to the IRR. its a tough spot. they need to lawyer up and handle it correctly. being a no-show is just making it harder.

Wanna buy a bridge? Some dry property in Florida? Ocean property in Arizona?
Did you even bother to read the contract you signed? Talk to ANYbody with recent service in the military, before joining? Do ANY research? Or did you just trust the nice man in the snappy uniform?

Semper Fi, Mac.

Posted: 9/21/2004 11:00:08 PM EDT

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Aren't these IRR people who are being recalled mainly specialists in various technical roles?

I mean I doubt they are recalling many infantry people. But I bet computer folks, mechanics, etc are in higher demand. Hell, it would be unlikely that many of these people would end up deep in the shit to begin with, so I don't see what all the whining is about.

Am I correct in this assumption that those being recalled are special skills people?

dingdingdingding. correct on all counts.

Posted: 9/21/2004 11:03:39 PM EDT

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Just putting your life in a storage locker and running off to war is not such an easy thing. I'm guessing most of them will get their shit together and show up before they are picked up. Parents will need more time than singles. Some of them are probably trying to explain to their employers that they were still subject to recall and the servo they are designing for the F-35 will just have to wait......

Such deliberate misinformation isn't helping the situation, either - do you seriously think someone working on the F-35 - 'Essential personnel' - would not get a deferment / exclusion? Did you say that just to make a bad joke? Bitter? Uninformed? Why would you say such a thing?

Posted: 9/22/2004 3:05:40 AM EDT

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They should be made to serve or jailed then pay pack the "loans".

NO SPECIAL TREATMENT, we are at war.

You keep that same attitude, sir, when the draft board is inducting your child right after November.

Really? They're going to induct my 8 year old???

Posted: 9/22/2004 3:07:04 AM EDT

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They should be made to serve or jailed then pay pack the "loans".

NO SPECIAL TREATMENT, we are at war.

You keep that same attitude, sir, when the draft board is inducting your child right after November.

Michael Moore, is that you?

I am not going to argue this subject again.

Because you're incapable of mounting an intelligent argument on the subject? Then yes, it's probably better to remain silent.

Posted: 9/22/2004 3:07:43 AM EDT

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Not so fast.
You suggest that "the draft board (will be) inducting your child right after November..."
That's quite an allegation.
That;'s a bit more than just thinking "that the Iraq situation is not a national emergency such as to legally and/or morally allow the call-up of inactive reserves".
That's the suggestion of a secret plan, or some other such nonsense that one reads on DU, and READS OFTEN.

It's called an educated guess.

No, it's called alarmist bullshit.

Posted: 9/22/2004 3:33:32 AM EDT

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This talk of the draft returning is nuts. If we are really in such a bind we are forced to draft people, then why the hell are many branches of the service cutting their numbers even further? It makes no sense for example why the US Navy just cut loose about 10,000 personnel if the draft is coming back. I mean these people are already trained and operational. You aren't gonna cut people lose if you need more. That talk is just crazy.

I think the only way we ever see another draft (in the near future) is if we get into an all-out conventional war with China. Iraq? Hell no!

Posted: 9/22/2004 3:44:25 AM EDT

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IRR is a raw fucking deal. it is not made clear in the recruitment process and in my case it wasnt even mentioned. ive got an active hitch and im now a drilling reservist so ill have no IRR commitment but you guys who immediately condemn the IRR no shows then ask what the IRR is need to STFU. im not defending them but you arent in a position to judge. we're talking single parents, people who will lose their homes, and small businesses etc if they get called to the IRR. its a tough spot. they need to lawyer up and handle it correctly. being a no-show is just making it harder.

It was made very clear to me when I enlisted in 1985 that I had an 8 year commitment, even though my first enlistment was only for 6 years. If you didn't know about the IRR, then you have your head in the clouds.

I was released into the IRR in mid-91 so I could go serve in the Peace Corps, even though I could have been medically separated at that point d/t a knee injury I had. This was after repeatedly requesting active duty slots at that time (my 2 MOS', 11C and O2L were not in demand at that time).When I arrived in Chad, I informed the highest ranking Officer stationed there of my status, as I was ordered to by the nat'l guard. I knew that at any time, I could have been activated, although the likelihood of that was extremely low.

Posted: 9/22/2004 4:08:21 AM EDT

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"We're not surprised by those numbers at all," Masters said.

Translation: There's no story here. Move along.

Posted: 9/22/2004 4:49:15 AM EDT

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"I joined the Reserves to get the educational benefits... I didn't think we'd have a war!"

smiley.onegreatguy.net/boohoo.gif www.smiley-channel.de/grafiken/smiley/sterben/sterben115.gif

Dumb-asses sign the contract knowing what might happen, then still whine when they get called up!

I have heard this many times (shockingly many) from people in the circumstance. I find it unbelievable, but there it is. It scares me more than Saddam.

Posted: 9/22/2004 4:51:15 AM EDT

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If we needed more troops, all congress would have to do is say:

"Recruit and train MORE troops. Here's the money."

Period.
That's all.

A draft would cost MORE than just increasing recruitment, because draftees would be less educated, therefore harder to train, and less likely to re-enlist (requiring MORE recruitment).
The entire "draft" argument is a lie.

Typical leftist logic:

The military is UNJUST because it is voluntary.
Forced conscription IS JUST because it is not voluntary.

So illogical that it betrays their true goals; bring down the military, celebrate defeat.

Posted: 9/22/2004 10:03:32 AM EDT

[#24]

WTF do they think signing up for the military is for? Free travel and sight-seeing?

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