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Posted: 9/30/2011 10:51:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: yeah ain't much difftrent than a vxr8Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I guarantee you that car will not leave a dealer lot for less than $75K for a very very long time Quoted: 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 Makes 580 Horsepower Stomps all over that crustang  And a Gixxer would be faster than either, and significantly less expensive. Kinda hard to drive a Gixxer with a passenger in a downpour.  That's what the used, four-door sedan is for.  Did someone say "four door sedan"? http://maxcdn.fooyoh.com/files/attach/images/1044/639/623/pontiacg8.jpg Nice Vauxhall.  Holden Commodore Close enough. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 11:08:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: $27k on top of the price of a GT. So roughly $60k for a Mustang with a blower, a basic suspension kit and a long list of ricer crap. Yeah, no thanks.Why not just get one of these? http://www.roushperformance.com/2012-mustang-hyper-series.shtml The Hyper-Series RS3 is covered by a 3-year/36,000-mile warranty  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jABaOO3ZInM |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 5:26:19 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: $27k on top of the price of a GT. So roughly $60k for a Mustang with a blower, a basic suspension kit and a long list of ricer crap. Yeah, no thanks.Why not just get one of these? http://www.roushperformance.com/2012-mustang-hyper-series.shtml The Hyper-Series RS3 is covered by a 3-year/36,000-mile warranty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jABaOO3ZInMTo each his own ....  |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 5:34:28 AM EDT
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Got to tool around in this one early this month: http://s385.photobucket.com/albums/oo294/ksmedman/ElijahShelbyGT500.jpg More horses, more money... Saw one that looked very similar to that on the interstate a few months back. It had the front and back bumpers hanging off and scrap marks all down the passenger side. Had a younger guy driving it, wondered at the time if it lost control at one of those sema events. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 5:44:11 AM EDT
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Being friends with my local ford dealership I got to test drive the new 302 along with the 5.0 to compare.
The 5.0 was very quick. (Manual with a 3.55) Faster than the 03 Mach1 I use to have. The 302 absolutely destroys the 5.0 Handles so nice, revs higher, another 40+horsepower, gets great traction with the fat tires. Also has the exhaust cut outs that come out from under the doors. The 302 was just barely slower than my 3v GT with a hellion turbo |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 5:53:09 AM EDT
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any GM v8 > ford 302 302 > 305 302 > 302 |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 5:56:38 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: any GM v8 > ford 302 302 > 305 302 > 302  |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 6:11:31 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I guarantee you that car will not leave a dealer lot for less than $75K for a very very long time Quoted: 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 Makes 580 Horsepower Stomps all over that crustang And a Gixxer would be faster than either, and significantly less expensive. Ive been taking care of a freinds hayabusa and had to get in the 5.0 right after a ride in the busa. I wanted to see how slow it would feel. Floored it in first and was waiting for it to get going all of the sudden i hit the rev limiter.  Felt like a corolla. But if you wait a few hours for you to lose the speed tolerance the car will feel fast again. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 6:15:17 AM EDT
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My uncle just bought one with no markup. You could always buy it elsewhere and drive it home. Save 8 or 40k. Shit I'd be happy to drive it there for 2k
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Posted: 10/1/2011 6:19:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2011 6:30:13 AM EDT
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Quoted: My uncle just bought one with no markup. You could always buy it elsewhere and drive it home. Save 8 or 40k. Shit I'd be happy to drive it there for 2k This.. There was a few places here adding a ridiculous mark up on the GT500 when it came out.. a year and a half later they were trying to get rid of it for $8k off the sticker. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 6:30:51 AM EDT
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Window sticker: services.forddirect.fordvehicles.com/inventory/WindowSticker.pdf?vin=1ZVBP8CU7C5251233 Works with any Ford VIN ......................... |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 6:32:20 AM EDT
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any GM v8 > ford 302 Government Motors can suck donkey dick. They'll never get a dime from me that hasn't been confiscated from me. Never. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 6:34:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2011 6:44:16 AM EDT
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If i was going for a straight sports car, I don't think I would spend that much on a mustang.
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Posted: 10/1/2011 6:47:42 AM EDT
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As said, if you shop around you can get them for MSRP.
Also, word is that the 2013 GT500 will have over 600hp (due to the ZL1). Whether it can put all that power to the ground is a different story. Though, not a bad last go around before the new Mustang debuts. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 6:58:41 AM EDT
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302? What is that, some kind of small Euro 4-banger?  Its the new Capri hear you liked those My Capri was a mighty (by Euro standards) V6. A whole 2.3 litres!  thought those had cologne 2.8L V-6s like Mustang IIs and Bronco IIs the 2.3 was the 4 banger Hey, don't hate on that 2.3L engine. I had a XR4Ti with that 2.3L in turbo trim, it was no slouch for the time. The problem that engine had was the computer electronics and various sensors, seems one would pop every 10K. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 7:04:38 AM EDT
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2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 Makes 580 Horsepower Stomps all over that crustang And a Gixxer would be faster than either, and significantly less expensive. Kinda hard to drive a Gixxer with a passenger in a downpour. That's what the used, four-door sedan is for. Did someone say "four door sedan"? http://maxcdn.fooyoh.com/files/attach/images/1044/639/623/pontiacg8.jpg Nice Vauxhall. Holden Commodore Close enough. Both are fugly. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The G8 was one of the better & (looking) things to "come out of Detroit" in a long while. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 7:06:00 AM EDT
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I always feel so conflicted when I see that car - I want to prefer the American designs, but that is such a blend of form and function, it's like a work of art. Too rich for my blood, though. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 7:10:39 AM EDT
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Being friends with my local ford dealership I got to test drive the new 302 along with the 5.0 to compare. The 5.0 was very quick. (Manual with a 3.55) Faster than the 03 Mach1 I use to have. The 302 absolutely destroys the 5.0 Handles so nice, revs higher, another 40+horsepower, gets great traction with the fat tires. Also has the exhaust cut outs that come out from under the doors. The 302 was just barely slower than my 3v GT with a hellion turbo It's 30hp addition and 10tq less.....plus peak hp is at nearly 1000rpm higher. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 7:11:39 AM EDT
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Being friends with my local ford dealership I got to test drive the new 302 along with the 5.0 to compare. The 5.0 was very quick. (Manual with a 3.55) Faster than the 03 Mach1 I use to have. The 302 absolutely destroys the 5.0 Handles so nice, revs higher, another 40+horsepower, gets great traction with the fat tires. Also has the exhaust cut outs that come out from under the doors. The 302 was just barely slower than my 3v GT with a hellion turbo It's 30hp addition and 10tq less.....plus peak hp is at nearly 1000rpm higher. I was referring to having the 'key' |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 7:21:18 AM EDT
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they are nice.
but the trans has problems in all v8 mustangs except gt500 the interior is 'spartan' around here they are marking them up 8 to 10k. for about the same price you can get a vette or a gt500. the vette will take the boss in the 1/4 an on the track. the gt500 will take the boss in the 1/4 but not the track. gt500 is a bit more 'exotic' and you can get a nice interior with more stuff. i considered them until i started reading the allfordmustangs fourm and the complaints with the tranny. for those that say the coyote is not as good as the gm v8's thats absolutely ridiculous. the coyote motor, the heads are as good as some race car heads. its a great motor. in a year or two they are supposed to come back with independent suspension mustangs. quarter-milers will whine but everyone else will be happy. me i dont do 'market adjustments'. a 50k spartan interior mustang is a bridge too far for me.. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 7:22:42 AM EDT
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Get a Vette. correct answer. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 7:34:38 AM EDT
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Local dealer offer me no mark up on a 2012 Boss they had already incoming the buyer backed out . Orange no Laguna Seca package. . The sales are slowing I think on the Boss . The dealer got allotted 2 Boss cars for 2012 . The have a Black GT-500 sitting on the floor . No test drives policy. The car should be on e-bay as well . Just say no to Government Motors if you buy there cars it makes there policy valid . I refuse to support the policy of taxpayer bailout. a base Vette may be a better deal but I refuse .
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Posted: 10/1/2011 7:51:40 AM EDT
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dont forget they were charging upwards of 90k for the gt500's when they came out. give it a few years and get a gently used one
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Posted: 10/1/2011 8:00:39 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: thought those had cologne 2.8L V-6s like Mustang IIs and Bronco IIs the 2.3 was the 4 banger Hey, don't hate on that 2.3L engine. I had a XR4Ti with that 2.3L in turbo trim, it was no slouch for the time. The problem that engine had was the computer electronics and various sensors, seems one would pop every 10K. Yep I lusted for a Mustang SVO for years still kinda want one |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 8:14:05 AM EDT
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Quoted: Went to test drive today as I want one for a summer fun vehicle next year. Sticker for the Non Sema version Boss $42K + $8k markup Sticker for the Sema version $48K + $40K markup. Jesus H Christ on a crutch, who the fuck marks vehicles up that much? and where does that markup go anyway? The dealer? Premium I get, 8-40K FFFUUUUUUUU unreal!!! Walk and buy a Camaro SS or SRT8 Challenger. Come back and show the dealer what you think of his mark up. The last guy I did that to got pissed. He still had his marked up car on the floor a year later. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 8:15:46 AM EDT
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Quoted: 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 Makes 580 Horsepower Stomps all over that crustang The first one just sold in auction at $250,000 yesterday |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 8:40:43 AM EDT
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2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 Makes 580 Horsepower Stomps all over that crustang The first one just sold in auction at $250,000 yesterday auctioned @ Barrett-Jackson to raise money for charity |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 8:46:38 AM EDT
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Went to test drive today as I want one for a summer fun vehicle next year. Sticker for the Non Sema version Boss $42K + $8k markup Sticker for the Sema version $48K + $40K markup. Jesus H Christ on a crutch, who the fuck marks vehicles up that much? and where does that markup go anyway? The dealer? Premium I get, 8-40K FFFUUUUUUUU unreal!!! Walk and buy a Camaro SS or SRT8 Challenger. Come back and show the dealer what you think of his mark up. The last guy I did that to got pissed. He still had his marked up car on the floor a year later. both 2 ton+ hogs. the SRT8 is very nice looking but weighs too much. never liked the new camaro. the instrument layout sucks and its about as easy to see out of as an 18 wheeler. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 8:54:30 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 Makes 580 Horsepower Stomps all over that crustang The first one just sold in auction at $250,000 yesterday Toss in a set of coilovers and the ZL1 will eat GT500's alive on the track and the dragstrip. But for the money, I have a hard time rationalizing why anyone would buy one over a corvette, or even a z06 with the markups dealers will have on the ZL1. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 9:05:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: Get a Vette. This. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 9:27:58 AM EDT
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That's a lot of coin.
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Posted: 10/1/2011 9:30:40 AM EDT
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Went to test drive today as I want one for a summer fun vehicle next year. Sticker for the Non Sema version Boss $42K + $8k markup Sticker for the Sema version $48K + $40K markup. Jesus H Christ on a crutch, who the fuck marks vehicles up that much? and where does that markup go anyway? The dealer? Premium I get, 8-40K FFFUUUUUUUU unreal!!! Walk and buy a Camaro SS or SRT8 Challenger. Come back and show the dealer what you think of his mark up. The last guy I did that to got pissed. He still had his marked up car on the floor a year later. both 2 ton+ hogs. the SRT8 is very nice looking but weighs too much. never liked the new camaro. the instrument layout sucks and its about as easy to see out of as an 18 wheeler. +1. When I was looking I liked the camaro the least by far. I liked the challenger but it was a boat and to get the big V8 was way over priced. I got a fully loaded 5.0 mustang and love it. 
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Posted: 10/1/2011 9:32:17 AM EDT
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Fuck that. Buy something else.
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Posted: 10/1/2011 9:43:07 AM EDT
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My buddy wants one bad, he's going to order a '13 model, as all the '12's are built and sitting on dealer lots with huge markups.
Fantastic car, if you can get it near the sticker price, it's even a good value |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 9:57:48 AM EDT
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GT500 went with huge mark ups when they first came out (2007). They dropped like a rock when the market became saturated. I got mine for >35K "new" on MSO with 86 miles on it. Original buyer paid $62k.
However, Boss 302's are going to be limited runs for two years only (less than 10,000 total) Investors /collectors will be scooping these up. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 10:10:22 AM EDT
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Went to test drive today as I want one for a summer fun vehicle next year. Sticker for the Non Sema version Boss $42K + $8k markup Sticker for the Sema version $48K + $40K markup. Jesus H Christ on a crutch, who the fuck marks vehicles up that much? and where does that markup go anyway? The dealer? Premium I get, 8-40K FFFUUUUUUUU unreal!!! List price on a 1991 Dodge Viper was $53,000. Average markup was $150,000 plus... 
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Posted: 10/1/2011 10:23:46 AM EDT
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Quoted: no... they are BOTH the commodore in a different body. it was exported from ausieland.Quoted: yeah ain't much difftrent than a vxr8Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I guarantee you that car will not leave a dealer lot for less than $75K for a very very long time Quoted: 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 Makes 580 Horsepower Stomps all over that crustang And a Gixxer would be faster than either, and significantly less expensive. Kinda hard to drive a Gixxer with a passenger in a downpour. That's what the used, four-door sedan is for. Did someone say "four door sedan"? http://maxcdn.fooyoh.com/files/attach/images/1044/639/623/pontiacg8.jpg Nice Vauxhall. Holden Commodore Close enough. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 10:30:51 AM EDT
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2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 Makes 580 Horsepower Stomps all over that crustang And a Gixxer would be faster than either, and significantly less expensive. Kinda hard to drive a Gixxer with a passenger in a downpour. That's what the used, four-door sedan is for. Did someone say "four door sedan"? http://maxcdn.fooyoh.com/files/attach/images/1044/639/623/pontiacg8.jpg Nice Vauxhall. Holden Commodore Close enough. So? It's still a badass 4 door-mobile. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 10:39:01 AM EDT
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Went to test drive today as I want one for a summer fun vehicle next year. Sticker for the Non Sema version Boss $42K + $8k markup Sticker for the Sema version $48K + $40K markup. Jesus H Christ on a crutch, who the fuck marks vehicles up that much? and where does that markup go anyway? The dealer? Premium I get, 8-40K FFFUUUUUUUU unreal!!! List price on a 1991 Dodge Viper was $53,000. Average markup was $150,000 plus...
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Posted: 10/1/2011 10:41:21 AM EDT
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2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 Makes 580 Horsepower Stomps all over that crustang The first one just sold in auction at $250,000 yesterday Toss in a set of coilovers and the ZL1 will eat GT500's alive on the track and the dragstrip. But for the money, I have a hard time rationalizing why anyone would buy one over a corvette, or even a z06 with the markups dealers will have on the ZL1. ZL1 is coming with 3rd generation Magnetic Ride Suspension. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 10:58:19 AM EDT
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Shop around. People are getting them at MSRP, but not much lower. Wait them out and the dealer mark up crap will disappear like it did on the Shelbys.
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Posted: 10/1/2011 11:49:21 AM EDT
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I will never be the chump that buys new again. Once and done. Explain? My first car and current car were both used at purchase. I've had my eye on getting a new Challenger though. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 12:39:24 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I will never be the chump that buys new again. Once and done. Explain? My first car and current car were both used at purchase. I've had my eye on getting a new Challenger though. There is nothing wrong with buying a new car, if work hard for your money and can afford it. Go out and enjoy it, get yourself a new Challenger if that's what you want. I have bought more than my fair share of new vehicles, no regrets at all. People bad mouth buying new for one reason and one reason only, you as the new car buyer eat the initial depreciation (which does vary depending on the car). If you can get over that, go ahead and buy new. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 1:32:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: Damn, at that price you're getting into corvette territory. how many corvettes are they making this year? its apples and oranges. besides who wants to support obama motors? Fuck GM. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 1:40:29 PM EDT
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302? What is that, some kind of small Euro 4-banger? Its the new Capri hear you liked those My Capri was a mighty (by Euro standards) V6. A whole 2.3 litres! thought those had cologne 2.8L V-6s like Mustang IIs and Bronco IIs the 2.3 was the 4 banger No, in the 80s models, there was a 2.8 V6 (with fuel injection), a 2.3 V6, and a 2.0 4-cyl. There was no 2.3 4-cyl in the Capri as far as I know. Mine certainly was a 2.3 V6 |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 3:32:20 PM EDT
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Damn, at that price you're getting into corvette territory. how many corvettes are they making this year? its apples and oranges. besides who wants to support obama motors? Fuck GM. Wow, how original. A GM basher. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 4:05:13 PM EDT
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Damn, at that price you're getting into corvette territory. how many corvettes are they making this year? its apples and oranges. besides who wants to support obama motors? Fuck GM. Wow, how original. A GM basher. It might not be original, but I have been forced to pay for GM cars and trucks over the last few years, and haven't owned one since 93. |
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Posted: 10/1/2011 4:21:23 PM EDT
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Wow that's crazy! I run a Ford Dealership and I sold my Laguna Seca for 8g over sticker...... That's fair for a car that they only are going to build 850 of..... I can't wait to see it at a Meecum Aution in 25 years! 
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