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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:12:45 PM EDT
[#1]
That better be one hell of a dental plan in VA.
Enforcement of that shit will cause bloodshed. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:13:51 PM EDT
[#2]
Training classes alone aren't enough to make a felony, but I'd bet a training class plus a Boogaloo meme on your Twitter would be plenty for them to bring charges under this insanity. They know exactly what they are doing.
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:14:09 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is not poorly, but perfectly, worded. It enables them to use it towards the ends they desire. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:14:22 PM EDT
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I can see how that could quickly apply to any regular pistol range or rifle range. Quote HistoryQuoted:
2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:15:49 PM EDT
[#5]
This is bigger than Virginia. Much bigger.
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:16:51 PM EDT
[#6]
1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or The State will assume it's for use in or in furtherance of a civil disorder -- depending on what The State considers a civil disorder.... |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:18:58 PM EDT
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I can't wait for the Arfcops justifying using a Bearcat to take down a troop of Boy Scouts learning to shoot .22s  |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:19:07 PM EDT
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To be clear, this law is already on the books. It is just looking to add paragraph 3 from the OP. Which means the enforcement of the existing law will change radically. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:19:41 PM EDT
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Let the VA governor know what you think cold link https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157910366636095&id=61634046094&anchor_composer=false |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:21:12 PM EDT
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Whew, at least |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:22:54 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I predict Virginia State Police raiding the first Appleseed after this law is passed. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:22:58 PM EDT
[#12]
Wow. Unreal
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:23:44 PM EDT
[#13]
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They are trying to out retard Commiefornia. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:24:29 PM EDT
[#14]
What in the exact fuck?!
Learning firearm proficiency is illegal? TRUMP needs to skull fuck these libs on Twitter. I sincere hope VA dems jumping the shark helps DJT get re-elected and RGB get replaced. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:25:36 PM EDT
[#15]
It’s crazy, but practically unenforceable.
Each requires they prove “intent”. Intent “that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder.” Intent to “intimidate” Good luck proving either one of those things. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:27:30 PM EDT
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Yup. They will only keep chipping away until it’s all gone. Wonder what the inevitable ‘compromise’ will be  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's only one real way to stop this. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:27:38 PM EDT
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My exact thought as an Orange Hat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I predict Virginia State Police raiding the first Appleseed after this law is passed. 
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:28:01 PM EDT
[#18]
Time to start looking for Black Friday deals on rope
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:28:16 PM EDT
[#19]
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It’s crazy, but practically unenforceable. Each requires they prove “intent”. Intent “that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder.” Intent to “intimidate” Good luck proving either one of those things. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:29:38 PM EDT
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Whew, at least we neutered the NRA |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:32:56 PM EDT
[#21]
So no more peaceable assembly, no more well regulated! No training Others to be safer, you know well it’s for the safety of the children! No more protests with evil scary guns and no more group range days! Hell no more Gunsmithing schools or even apprenticeships!
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:33:04 PM EDT
[#22]
I think some might need to read it a bit more carefully before reacting at Bugalú level.
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:33:38 PM EDT
[#23]
Just donated to VCDL. Thanks for keeping us informed on here. Hope you guys get all this stopped.
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:37:18 PM EDT
[#24]
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Why? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let the VA governor know what you think cold link https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157910366636095&id=61634046094&anchor_composer=false |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:37:48 PM EDT
[#25]
NVM
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:38:26 PM EDT
[#26]
Incredibly unconstitutional. It'll only be enforced and destroy lives for 15 years before SCOTUS can hopefully overturn it.
I think leftists are realizing that they can just flood the system with unconstitutional laws. They can pass them 100 times faster than the courts can overturn them. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:38:28 PM EDT
[#27]
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I think some might need to read it a bit more carefully before reacting at Bugalú level. The left thinks that anybody who is open carrying is doing so to intimidate them. The wording of the law makes it open to interpretation and FEELINGS. Are you reading it differently? |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:39:17 PM EDT
[#28]
Jesus that law would make the required CCW class in IL illegal.....I'm guessing the assholes in Chicago are taking notes
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:39:43 PM EDT
[#29]
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I think some might need to read it a bit more carefully before reacting at Bugalú level. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:41:37 PM EDT
[#30]
Modern liberalism is dangerously ignorant.
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:43:48 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: intent will be inferred. And it won't stop the arrests: "you might beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride!" It’s still in the state to PROVE that intent beyond a reasonable doubt. That’s basicallg impossible, outside of something that blatantly states it |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:43:57 PM EDT
[#32]
Wow that’s insane sorry my Va friends.
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:44:36 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I predict Virginia State Police raiding the first Appleseed after this law is passed. Until we see a few Boy Scouts and local community members gunned down on CNN by jackboots, no one is going to take it seriously. Until local LEOs refusing to enforce this communist horse shit are murdered by jackboots from NOVA, no ones going to care. No one will care until it touches their lives personally. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:46:14 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I predict Virginia State Police raiding the first Appleseed after this law is passed. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:46:22 PM EDT
[#35]
Didn't the Brits that marched on Lexington and Concord try to enforce the same kind of law?
Democrats are as bad (or worse) than the British that tried to oppress the Colonists. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:47:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:50:04 PM EDT
[#37]
Knowledge of this proposed bill needs to be spread nationwide.
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:50:07 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh I don’t disagree that a dick LEO will result in you taking a ride, but nothing is “inferred”. It’s still in the state to PROVE that intent beyond a reasonable doubt. That’s basicallg impossible, outside of something that blatantly states it Per. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:51:01 PM EDT
[#39]
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It’s crazy, but practically unenforceable. Each requires they prove “intent”. Intent “that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder.” Intent to “intimidate” Good luck proving either one of those things. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:55:41 PM EDT
[#40]
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Somebody fell out of the dumb tree and hit every branch on the way down. Article I. Bill of Rights Section 13. Militia; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...... The dems believe if they can pull the teeth of those who they see as trainers of militia it will somehow negate Article 1 #13 and that somehow the state controls the formation of citizen (the people) militias. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 8:56:29 PM EDT
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The bill's chief patron; Senator L. Louise Lucas Does someone who's represented by her want to contact her office and explain that poor, Black and Latino communities would be disparately impacted? Gotta use the language they know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The bill's chief patron; Senator L. Louise Lucas Does someone who's represented by her want to contact her office and explain that poor, Black and Latino communities would be disparately impacted? Gotta use the language they know.  the ironic thing here is this woman saw first hand what Democrats under Byrd were pulling on Virginians during massive resistance. Here she is, with her wallet padded, on the other side of the fence ready to stomp on the constitution to keep the little people in their place. It would be a shame if her many businesses were picketed. Born Lillie Louise Boone Lucas on January 20, 1944 in Portsmouth, Virginia, Lucas attended the Portsmouth Public School System, including during their shutdown during Massive Resistance... She is President/CEO of Lucas Lodge, Lucas Transportation, Portsmouth Day Support Program and Southside Direct Care Provider organizations operating in The Lucas Professional Center located in Portsmouth. Economic development is Senator Lucas’ passion and she remains unwavering in her determination to build a hotel. ...Senator Lucas is the mother of two daughters, Lisa L. Lucas-Burke and Theresa Lynn Lucas-Lamb who partner with her in various business entities... |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 9:02:29 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s one of my concerns as well. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 9:02:41 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That will all be after the arrest, after you mortgage your house to pay a lawyer... The state has endless funding and lots of lawyers on staff. “The state shall be liable for all attorney’s fees, court costs, and all other legal costs associated with any arrest, trial, or civil proceeding in which the state is a party and the state does not prevail, does not bring a matter to trial, or if the case is dismissed with or without prejudice.” |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 9:03:36 PM EDT
[#44]
Oh fuck no, this is utter bullshit.
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Posted: 11/26/2019 9:07:46 PM EDT
[#45]
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You all know what to do.  
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Posted: 11/26/2019 9:11:36 PM EDT
[#46]
Wouldn't this apply to hunters safety courses?
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Posted: 11/26/2019 9:13:11 PM EDT
[#47]
The first two clauses of this are already on the books in VA.
The only new thing is the prohibition on parading with intent to intimidate. This is an open carry ban. If someone feels scared when they see a gun they'll call you in for a felony stop. Read page 85 of below link: Georgetown University › law › ...PDF Web results Prohibiting Private Armies Summary of paramilitary laws |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 9:14:19 PM EDT
[#48]
That's what a shithole state looks like
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Posted: 11/26/2019 9:14:55 PM EDT
[#49]
Yeah, but if CCW is legal, and if training is still required, then it is contradictory to break a law to comply with the law.
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Posted: 11/26/2019 9:16:02 PM EDT
[#50]
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Incredibly unconstitutional. It'll only be enforced and destroy lives for 15 years before SCOTUS can hopefully overturn it. I think leftists are realizing that they can just flood the system with unconstitutional laws. They can pass them 100 times faster than the courts can overturn them. |
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