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Link Posted: 1/4/2012 7:29:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AeroE:
Why don't you write Romney instead of rehashing the same crap in the safety of GD?

He needs a flood of letters that make clear that most people that live between the Sierra's and the Allegheny's think his version of "moderate" is way far left of center at best, and that overall he is a poor facsimile of anything that looks conservative.


This is very true.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 7:33:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AeroE:
Why don't you write Romney instead of rehashing the same crap in the safety of GD?

He needs a flood of letters that make clear that most people that live between the Sierra's and the Allegheny's think his version of "moderate" is way far left of center at best, and that overall he is a poor facsimile of anything that looks conservative.



I already wrote to the Republican Party and to my representative and said that.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 7:38:16 AM EDT
i am staying home he is not getting my vote
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 7:42:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RONINBUDO:
i am staying home he is not getting my vote

Does FL not allow you to write in who you want?
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 7:46:03 AM EDT
Looks like most of us will be using one of these in 2013. Shower and bathe when you can.

Link Posted: 1/4/2012 7:51:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TheTracker:
This is the GOP , this is the Republican party.

to permanently ban many semi-automatic firearms. "These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense,” Romney said in 2004. "They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”2
Romney also spoke in favor of the Brady law’s five day waiting period on handguns. The Boston Herald quotes Romney saying, "I don’t think (the waiting period) will have a massive effect on crime but I think it will have a positive effect.”

State mandated health care...........


Stuff like this is not important. Romney MOST LIKELY win NH then go on to win SC


This is our guy ARFCOM . This is what the GOP is. This is the face of the Republican Party.






Lemme guess... Another RP thread? Ami Right?
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 7:51:55 AM EDT
I'm going to be eternally optomistic and hope for the zebra changing it's stripes scenario.


There is no republican candidate that is going to actively push for any gun control.


That is why the congress is so very important.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 7:53:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By dex357:

...There is no republican candidate that is going to actively push for any gun control....




My fear is that it's a good "compromise" issue for Romney. He'll throw us under the bus to get something he wants.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 7:54:04 AM EDT
If Romney is nominated I will vote the Congressional races and skip the POTUS ticket altogether. Obviously I'll NEVER hit a lever with Obongo on it but I sure as fuck ain't gonna hit one with Romney on it either.



Seems to be quite a few who won't vote for him. Perhaps enough to offset any worthless independents they *might* pick up in the general. That will ensure an Obama victory. Perhaps the Republican primary voters should wise the fuck up and vote their conscience in the primary like they're supposed to (in that case Romney wouldn't stand a chance as only about 20-25% actually support him). But if, as I predict, they go and vote for some bullshit fascade of "electability" then they deserve what they get next November.



Don't do it guys and gals. Don't do it........fair warning.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 7:59:27 AM EDT
For a history lesson on how much power a POTUS has to get legislation passed let's harken back to the day after GWB got re-elected and tossed all his political stock into privatizing social security. How'd that work out for him? Oh yea, blocked by his own party.

If you're worried about SCOTUS justices let's all think back to Harriet Miers? How'd that work out for old Georgie? Again, it didn't, he was blocked by his own party.

A president needs the good will of Congress in order to pass laws or get appointees and he's not going to get that by appointing liberal justices or pushing liberal agendas.

Let's put the hysteria aside, it's making us sound like DU.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:01:52 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:02:26 AM EDT
If the Official stance of this site is to NOT bash Romney, then I may have to go elsewhere.














Impeach Obama for the Good of the Children.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:03:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2012 8:04:28 AM EDT by 3rdpig]

Originally Posted By ABNAK:
If Romney is nominated I will vote the Congressional races and skip the POTUS ticket altogether. Obviously I'll NEVER hit a lever with Obongo on it but I sure as fuck ain't gonna hit one with Romney on it either.



Seems to be quite a few who won't vote for him. Perhaps enough to offset any worthless independents they *might* pick up in the general. That will ensure an Obama victory. Perhaps the Republican primary voters should wise the fuck up and vote their conscience in the primary like they're supposed to (in that case Romney wouldn't stand a chance as only about 20-25% actually support him). But if, as I predict, they go and vote for some bullshit fascade of "electability" then they deserve what they get next November.



Don't do it guys and gals. Don't do it........fair warning.

The old rule still applies today, "vote for the most conservative candidate with a chance of winning". Do it your way and we have a higher chance of winding up with Obama again, a hard left liberal socialist who won't have a re-election campaign to worry about. Do it the right way and, at very worse, we wind up with Mitt, a moderate Republican who will want to be re-elected and needs the good will of his party brothers in Congress to get anything done.

I fail to see how it's even a choice. But for people like you there's a blank spot on the ballot, write in anyone you want and think you're helping. Meanwhile the rest of us will be getting Obama out of office and, hopefully, holding the new POTUS in line.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:06:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:06:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:
For a history lesson on how much power a POTUS has to get legislation passed let's harken back to the day after GWB got re-elected and tossed all his political stock into privatizing social security. How'd that work out for him? Oh yea, blocked by his own party.

If you're worried about SCOTUS justices let's all think back to Harriet Miers? How'd that work out for old Georgie? Again, it didn't, he was blocked by his own party.

A president needs the good will of Congress in order to pass laws or get appointees and he's not going to get that by appointing liberal justices or pushing liberal agendas.

Let's put the hysteria aside, it's making us sound like DU.


"He who knows the least shouts it the loudest"

That ^^^ what you are saying, O Wise One??

Guys, he has it right.

Here's another old saying, "Never use one word when you can say the same thing with ten". I think I missed my calling, a wordy bastage like me should have been a politician or a lawyer. But then I'd have to hate myself, and that's just not happening.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:07:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
This is the GOP , this is the Republican party.

to permanently ban many semi-automatic firearms. "These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense,” Romney said in 2004. "They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”2
Romney also spoke in favor of the Brady law’s five day waiting period on handguns. The Boston Herald quotes Romney saying, "I don’t think (the waiting period) will have a massive effect on crime but I think it will have a positive effect.”

State mandated health care...........


Stuff like this is not important. Romney MOST LIKELY win NH then go on to win SC


This is our guy ARFCOM . This is what the GOP is. This is the face of the Republican Party.






Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:08:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2012 8:08:56 AM EDT by thebeekeeper1]
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:19:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:

Originally Posted By ABNAK:
If Romney is nominated I will vote the Congressional races and skip the POTUS ticket altogether. Obviously I'll NEVER hit a lever with Obongo on it but I sure as fuck ain't gonna hit one with Romney on it either.



Seems to be quite a few who won't vote for him. Perhaps enough to offset any worthless independents they *might* pick up in the general. That will ensure an Obama victory. Perhaps the Republican primary voters should wise the fuck up and vote their conscience in the primary like they're supposed to (in that case Romney wouldn't stand a chance as only about 20-25% actually support him). But if, as I predict, they go and vote for some bullshit fascade of "electability" then they deserve what they get next November.



Don't do it guys and gals. Don't do it........fair warning.

The old rule still applies today, "vote for the most conservative candidate with a chance of winning". Do it your way and we have a higher chance of winding up with Obama again, a hard left liberal socialist who won't have a re-election campaign to worry about. Do it the right way and, at very worse, we wind up with Mitt, a moderate Republican who will want to be re-elected and needs the good will of his party brothers in Congress to get anything done.

I fail to see how it's even a choice. But for people like you there's a blank spot on the ballot, write in anyone you want and think you're helping. Meanwhile the rest of us will be getting Obama out of office and, hopefully, holding the new POTUS in line.



Pretty pathetic when that's all ya got to look forward to.

You saying NOT to vote your conscience in the primary? Vote for "electability"? Really?
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:20:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:

Originally Posted By ABNAK:
If Romney is nominated I will vote the Congressional races and skip the POTUS ticket altogether. Obviously I'll NEVER hit a lever with Obongo on it but I sure as fuck ain't gonna hit one with Romney on it either.



Seems to be quite a few who won't vote for him. Perhaps enough to offset any worthless independents they *might* pick up in the general. That will ensure an Obama victory. Perhaps the Republican primary voters should wise the fuck up and vote their conscience in the primary like they're supposed to (in that case Romney wouldn't stand a chance as only about 20-25% actually support him). But if, as I predict, they go and vote for some bullshit fascade of "electability" then they deserve what they get next November.



Don't do it guys and gals. Don't do it........fair warning.

The old rule still applies today, "vote for the most conservative candidate with a chance of winning". Do it your way and we have a higher chance of winding up with Obama again, a hard left liberal socialist who won't have a re-election campaign to worry about. Do it the right way and, at very worse, we wind up with Mitt, a moderate Republican who will want to be re-elected and needs the good will of his party brothers in Congress to get anything done.

I fail to see how it's even a choice. But for people like you there's a blank spot on the ballot, write in anyone you want and think you're helping. Meanwhile the rest of us will be getting Obama out of office and, hopefully, holding the new POTUS in line.


Math is apparently harder than I realized. Quite a few here can't comprehend the notion that 40-70% of what one wants > 0%




Again, pretty pathetic you'd have to drop to a number like 40% (likely even lower than that). Is that what it's come to? God help us.....
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:26:09 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:27:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By KampusKop:
Romney has won and we have lost.

The best we can hope for is for Congress to hold the lines.

It's scary to think that the last semi-pro gun President that we might ever see in our lives was George W. Bush.


Bush said he would sign the AWB.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:29:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:30:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2012 8:32:11 AM EDT by ABNAK]
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Originally Posted By ABNAK:
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:

Originally Posted By ABNAK:
If Romney is nominated I will vote the Congressional races and skip the POTUS ticket altogether. Obviously I'll NEVER hit a lever with Obongo on it but I sure as fuck ain't gonna hit one with Romney on it either.



Seems to be quite a few who won't vote for him. Perhaps enough to offset any worthless independents they *might* pick up in the general. That will ensure an Obama victory. Perhaps the Republican primary voters should wise the fuck up and vote their conscience in the primary like they're supposed to (in that case Romney wouldn't stand a chance as only about 20-25% actually support him). But if, as I predict, they go and vote for some bullshit fascade of "electability" then they deserve what they get next November.



Don't do it guys and gals. Don't do it........fair warning.

The old rule still applies today, "vote for the most conservative candidate with a chance of winning". Do it your way and we have a higher chance of winding up with Obama again, a hard left liberal socialist who won't have a re-election campaign to worry about. Do it the right way and, at very worse, we wind up with Mitt, a moderate Republican who will want to be re-elected and needs the good will of his party brothers in Congress to get anything done.

I fail to see how it's even a choice. But for people like you there's a blank spot on the ballot, write in anyone you want and think you're helping. Meanwhile the rest of us will be getting Obama out of office and, hopefully, holding the new POTUS in line.


Math is apparently harder than I realized. Quite a few here can't comprehend the notion that 40-70% of what one wants > 0%




Again, pretty pathetic you'd have to drop to a number like 40% (likely even lower than that). Is that what it's come to? God help us.....


Blame the American people––NOT "the Republican party." There simply aren't enough people who think like the majority of this site's members. Everyone thinks they are "special" (mom said so!) and should get exactly what they want. Politics does not work that way. Once one accepts that simple reality it is then easy to do what is prudent and pragmatic.

The really laughable ones are those who think principles are involved in electing political figures. Does one use principles to brush one's teeth? Peel an apple? Drive a car? No. Selecting a candidate who most closely matches one's wishes and desires in the political realm is no different. Sadly, too many Americans are on the government teat, so "most closely" these days is "not very close" for many of us. Again, accepting this does not mean supporting it or liking it.


My point was the settling for *perhaps* a 40% personal approval for POTUS. I remember back in 2004 and 2008 on here the figure was like accepting them if they met ~ 70-80%. What comes in 2016? 20-30%?

Look, I said I'd vote Congressional and local races, just not for Romney and obviously not Obongo. That's how it's gonna be. You guys seem worried.

Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:31:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Taboot:
I don't really like any of these guys, but we need someone who isn't Obama or Romney, IMO. Be it Gingrich or Paul or Santorum or Bachman or Huntsman. It's the best we're going to get this election.


Just gave $35 to Santorum.

Just volunteered to work the ground campaign for Santorum. He will do great in SC. His signs are the only ones I have seen here.

Please do something if you can. Bitching about either Obomney flavor won't help. DO something. At least you will feel better for taking action and you will not live with regret for sitting on your hands during what is likely to me the most crucial election in this generation and perhaps your lifetime.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:33:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Originally Posted By Bakelite47:
Originally Posted By KampusKop:
Romney has won and we have lost.

The best we can hope for is for Congress to hold the lines.

It's scary to think that the last semi-pro gun President that we might ever see in our lives was George W. Bush.


Bush said he would sign the AWB.


. . . while making sure it didn't pass Congress and reach his desk. You forgot that part, though I'm sure it was just an ovesight. He said that simply to take it away as a club for the media and Dems to beat him with.


...so, we should vote for the most deceptive candidate and just hope he's deceiving "them" and not us?
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:38:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Birddog1911:
The Paulbot butthurt is strong this morning.

Sure, I'm concerned about his stance. But I also believe that the strength of the NRA and a nation of gun owners will prevail over the past actions in a small, liberal state.


Commerce Clause.

Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:40:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:43:22 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:43:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Mach:
I am not a Republican.

I am a conservative.

Fuck Romney.


this

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:45:47 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:57:27 AM EDT
Im getting tired of having to say fuck mitt romney.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 9:04:10 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 9:21:30 AM EDT
im still gonna pencil in cain
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 9:29:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Sumo:
And to think it was just 3 years ago that GD was screaming for a boycott of Robinson Arms because of his support of romney over shitstain.


Hypocrites, here, nooooooooooo
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 9:30:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Tekpc007:
Originally Posted By TheTracker:
This is the GOP , this is the Republican party.

to permanently ban many semi-automatic firearms. "These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense,” Romney said in 2004. "They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”2
Romney also spoke in favor of the Brady law’s five day waiting period on handguns. The Boston Herald quotes Romney saying, "I don’t think (the waiting period) will have a massive effect on crime but I think it will have a positive effect.”

State mandated health care...........


Stuff like this is not important. Romney MOST LIKELY win NH then go on to win SC


This is our guy ARFCOM . This is what the GOP is. This is the face of the Republican Party.






DU troll is troll...


He's been here longer than you, Shill.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 9:37:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2012 9:38:44 AM EDT by DoberDude]
Non windowed Pmags are $14.20 each right now.

For those of you who panic buy in October, I will have lot's of 5, new in the wrapper, for $175 including shipping in the CONUS.


ETA: Don't ask about the Neocon discount. There isn't one.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 10:01:14 AM EDT
Romney isn't going to get the nomination. He won't get it in SC is my prediction. I know lots of folks down there, and yankees from MA aren't popular. NH may be a different story, but Pat Buchanan won NH in 1992, and it didn't seem to do him any good-although he was challenging an incumbent Rep. prez.

Romney isn't the one. Iowa showed that his candidacy hasn't improved since he last ran in '08, and that's with name recognition.

That's why Santorum's up right now. Bachmann is out. Who do you think will get her votes? Or Perry's when he's done?

Just my very humble opinion.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 10:36:03 AM EDT
I'm glad I have the OP to tell me what's important, and that I should vote for someone simply because of their party affiliation.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 10:41:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2012 10:42:18 AM EDT by Baldmonk]
Don't care OP.

I am voting for Obama anyway, at least he will admit to being a liberal. I have long stated if Romney got the nod, Obama gets my vote.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 10:41:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EightySecond:
The uneducated masses come out of the woodwork whenever anything political hits the hot plate here.

They just look to see what the other guys they tend to align with posted and blindly follow suit.


You're like obama saying that the spending problem is the repubs.

So, which ones are the educated masses? You, and those who agree with you?

TXL

Link Posted: 1/4/2012 10:45:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:

Originally Posted By ABNAK:
If Romney is nominated I will vote the Congressional races and skip the POTUS ticket altogether. Obviously I'll NEVER hit a lever with Obongo on it but I sure as fuck ain't gonna hit one with Romney on it either.



Seems to be quite a few who won't vote for him. Perhaps enough to offset any worthless independents they *might* pick up in the general. That will ensure an Obama victory. Perhaps the Republican primary voters should wise the fuck up and vote their conscience in the primary like they're supposed to (in that case Romney wouldn't stand a chance as only about 20-25% actually support him). But if, as I predict, they go and vote for some bullshit fascade of "electability" then they deserve what they get next November.



Don't do it guys and gals. Don't do it........fair warning.

The old rule still applies today, "vote for the most conservative candidate with a chance of winning". Do it your way and we have a higher chance of winding up with Obama again, a hard left liberal socialist who won't have a re-election campaign to worry about. Do it the right way and, at very worse, we wind up with Mitt, a moderate Republican who will want to be re-elected and needs the good will of his party brothers in Congress to get anything done.

I fail to see how it's even a choice. But for people like you there's a blank spot on the ballot, write in anyone you want and think you're helping. Meanwhile the rest of us will be getting Obama out of office and, hopefully, holding the new POTUS in line.


Math is apparently harder than I realized. Quite a few here can't comprehend the notion that 40-70% of what one wants > 0%



Having character is apparently harder than I realized.

It seems that some folks here have no spine and will vote for whatever rino the establishment tells them to.

TXL

Link Posted: 1/4/2012 10:47:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TxLewis:
Originally Posted By EightySecond:
The uneducated masses come out of the woodwork whenever anything political hits the hot plate here.

They just look to see what the other guys they tend to align with posted and blindly follow suit.


You're like obama saying that the spending problem is the repubs.

So, which ones are the educated masses? You, and those who agree with you?

TXL

Anyone who agrees with me... they are edjumacated.

Link Posted: 1/4/2012 10:49:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2012 10:51:17 AM EDT by TxLewis]
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Originally Posted By david_g17:
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Originally Posted By Bakelite47:
Originally Posted By KampusKop:
Romney has won and we have lost.

The best we can hope for is for Congress to hold the lines.

It's scary to think that the last semi-pro gun President that we might ever see in our lives was George W. Bush.


Bush said he would sign the AWB.


. . . while making sure it didn't pass Congress and reach his desk. You forgot that part, though I'm sure it was just an ovesight. He said that simply to take it away as a club for the media and Dems to beat him with.


...so, we should vote for the most deceptive candidate and just hope he's deceiving "them" and not us?


Only the dullards are deceived. The politically savvy know exactly how the game is played. Of course, in order to become savvy about politics one has to get involved, so that leaves most in the category of "dullards." <––––- The politically-oriented threads and posts on this site give strong credence to the truth of that.


You're right. And I won't be deceived. I won't fucking vote for a fucking liar who is a socialist rino, no matter how much you like Romney.




TXL
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 10:49:52 AM EDT
Obama 2012!

At least we can bitch if it's Obama.... right?
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 10:52:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ABNAK:
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:

Originally Posted By ABNAK:
If Romney is nominated I will vote the Congressional races and skip the POTUS ticket altogether. Obviously I'll NEVER hit a lever with Obongo on it but I sure as fuck ain't gonna hit one with Romney on it either.



Seems to be quite a few who won't vote for him. Perhaps enough to offset any worthless independents they *might* pick up in the general. That will ensure an Obama victory. Perhaps the Republican primary voters should wise the fuck up and vote their conscience in the primary like they're supposed to (in that case Romney wouldn't stand a chance as only about 20-25% actually support him). But if, as I predict, they go and vote for some bullshit fascade of "electability" then they deserve what they get next November.



Don't do it guys and gals. Don't do it........fair warning.

The old rule still applies today, "vote for the most conservative candidate with a chance of winning". Do it your way and we have a higher chance of winding up with Obama again, a hard left liberal socialist who won't have a re-election campaign to worry about. Do it the right way and, at very worse, we wind up with Mitt, a moderate Republican who will want to be re-elected and needs the good will of his party brothers in Congress to get anything done.

I fail to see how it's even a choice. But for people like you there's a blank spot on the ballot, write in anyone you want and think you're helping. Meanwhile the rest of us will be getting Obama out of office and, hopefully, holding the new POTUS in line.


Math is apparently harder than I realized. Quite a few here can't comprehend the notion that 40-70% of what one wants > 0%




God help us.....


Link Posted: 1/4/2012 10:55:12 AM EDT
He beat Santorum by eight votes, that's a tie in my book

Romney doesn't have the nom yet, oh yeah fuck the GOP
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 10:58:17 AM EDT
Drink up the GOP Kool-Aid this time.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 10:59:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Turnkey:

He beat Santorum by eight votes, that's a tie in my book

Romney doesn't have the nom yet, oh yeah fuck the GOP

It was a three way tie for delegates.

Getting the most votes feels warm and fuzzy but it was a 3 way tie for delegates none the less.

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/state/ia

And that was in the bible belt. The coasts don't want the second coming of Christ shoved down their throats.

The fat lady is just warming up backstage.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 11:01:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By h3smith:
And everyone here will vote for him in November and we will be told to hold our noses like McCain.


Link Posted: 1/4/2012 11:09:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Mach:
I am not a Republican.

I am a conservative.

Fuck Romney.


This. I will no longer vote for the lesser.

Didn't y'all hear? McCain supports Romney!

Fuck two parties
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