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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:40:05 AM EDT
[#1]
Good news, but I'll need to see one to sold on it... If its just like the original, I'll be happy!!
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Posted: 10/30/2019 2:30:15 AM EDT
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Samson released this image in April.
 Attached FileHopefully they've revised it since then, because that isn't close enough to be a hot seller IMHO. @Miami_JBT wrote an article about it for TTAG: https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/samson-manufacturing-is-bringing-back-the-mini-14-gb-side-folding-stock/ |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 2:36:29 AM EDT
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Let’s hope they are not expecting people to pay there weight in gold for them either.
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:10:39 AM EDT
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Samson released this image in April. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/13082/58639109_2153459408034784_5632758022821380096_n_jpg-1142211.JPG Hopefully they've revised it since then, because that isn't close enough to be a hot seller IMHO. @Miami_JBT wrote an article about it for TTAG: https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/samson-manufacturing-is-bringing-back-the-mini-14-gb-side-folding-stock/ 
  Iconic Gun from The A-Team - Coming Soon! | Gun Talk LIVE They displayed them at Orlando's show this past week. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:12:59 PM EDT
[#5]
Done
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Posted: 10/30/2019 3:19:04 PM EDT
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Let’s hope they are not expecting people to pay there weight in gold for them either. I'm probably in the minority, but I'd love a black plastic & blued steel (rather than wood & stainless) version for my 300blk. Huh, they say it probably won't fit the older guns. It'd suck if it didn't fit my wood & stainless GB model. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:00:02 PM EDT
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https://scontent-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/73458698_2489949297719125_6500450324099104768_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQm9Q589ljfGMhUNqoSVZDzM8FdczmZHN69glx18vGJ-TOZ-2ImtNESP8Kqu-bI9hEmqVyIiIVLB9n8CzRH4sb1F&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-2.xx&oh=fa8b5e23f99c72af0f6e19aa015f8371&oe=5E5E4C4C https://scontent-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/75231782_2472912792756109_7475104100074389504_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQmblvZP60SDPRyfMP9E8fiNAZJopkLpmaGVJF7l9SFFcnJhs6sUUQu8UWQbluwopxgkGebVgILJIPU5HVN-rtpv&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-2.xx&oh=0a17e18e5193c300e9ef5797753fe216&oe=5E22EB85  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew6PTCf6Aug
They displayed them at Orlando's show this past week. 
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Posted: 10/31/2019 7:46:02 AM EDT
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I am very excited.
I love that they went all out and worked with Ruger. Interview states wood sourced from Ruger and parts from original casts by Samson. Grip will be different and the hardware that attaches the grip and metal to the wood will be different. Detectable difference most probably. MSRP under $300, I wonder what the street price will be? Used factory stocks, STOCK ONLY will take a significant loss in value. GBs folders will still be GBs. They still will get a premium. Ruger will always have records if it was a factory folder. Bayonet lug GBs are still my favorite. |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 12:38:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They have facebook stuff, say it's sub$300 retail. I'm probably in the minority, but I'd love a black plastic & blued steel (rather than wood & stainless) version for my 300blk. Huh, they say it probably won't fit the older guns. It'd suck if it didn't fit my wood & stainless GB model. |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 12:44:46 PM EDT
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I don't think factory stocks fit the 180 series.
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:18:19 PM EDT
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I don't think factory stocks fit the 180 series. 181 and later series all use the modern stock inletting. AC-556 stocks...Click To View Spoiler 180/190 series guns are different from later designs in several significant ways (stock, bolt, extractor, bolt hold-open, selector if AC-556). Short version = don't buy a 180 series Mini-14 (or a 190 series AC-556), since those specific parts are unobtanium, and Ruger dropped support for them long ago when they ran out of the old parts. Pic of 180 series for clarity: 
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Posted: 11/1/2019 10:43:33 AM EDT
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I am very excited. I love that they went all out and worked with Ruger. Interview states wood sourced from Ruger and parts from original casts by Samson. Grip will be different and the hardware that attaches the grip and metal to the wood will be different. Detectable difference most probably. I didn't get the impression the grip attachment/hardware would be different, but rather the attachment mechanism for the stock tube to the folding stock unit would be a high tech adhesive rather than welding. |
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Posted: 11/1/2019 10:45:36 AM EDT
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Short version = don't buy a 180 series Mini-14 (or a 190 series AC-556), since those specific parts are unobtanium, and Ruger dropped support for them long ago when they ran out of the old parts. |
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Posted: 11/1/2019 11:35:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The grip material will be different, a newer polymer rather than Bakelite, although they indicated they are working on making the new grip look shiny like the originals. I didn't get the impression the grip attachment/hardware would be different, but rather the attachment mechanism for the stock tube to the folding stock unit would be a high tech adhesive rather than welding. i am very excited. it looks to be a very nice product at a very nice price. lets say $290 since msrp is stated at less than $300. heck an ace metal stock with hardware runs almost $200. $290 is buying a damn lot of product with this ruger folder. i see myself getting two. i would guess they would sell 1000+ stocks. demand is very high imo. another thing to think about is the SS finish. ruger used three SS finishes, from a high polished to very matte. i do not care about it but some owners will see a difference depending on what ss rifle they have. a few years ago original grips were sold surplus for $5-$8. some people are set  .
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Posted: 11/1/2019 11:53:23 AM EDT
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Wow, after years of screaming it is finally happening!
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Posted: 11/1/2019 12:02:04 PM EDT
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I love it when a plan comes together!
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Posted: 11/1/2019 12:16:16 PM EDT
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I love it when a plan comes together!
Not gonna lie, I think I want one. |
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Posted: 11/1/2019 3:25:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't buy a 180 series as a shooter. They are however interesting from a collector perspective, given the unique features of the design. A folding stock is tempting. |
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Posted: 11/1/2019 3:26:27 PM EDT
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i am watching this auction for fun.
seller has reduced price once already. it should say something about prices going south. without samson, it would have sold already? https://www.gunbroker.com/item/842337082 |
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Posted: 11/1/2019 4:19:38 PM EDT
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without samson, it would have sold already? Stainless generally adds $50 to $100 premium. |
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Posted: 11/1/2019 4:19:39 PM EDT
[#21]
Done
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Posted: 11/1/2019 4:22:36 PM EDT
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Don't buy a 180 series as a shooter. They are however interesting from a collector perspective, given the unique features of the design. 
That's what I meant.
(I was projecting. I shoot everything.)
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Posted: 11/1/2019 5:02:47 PM EDT
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I called Sampson and spoke with their sales staff about this project. I told them that the folding stock versions all had a different lower gas block with the swivel on the side, not the bottom. I suggested that they consider also making a side swivel mounted lower gas block and offer it as an option. The salesman I spoke with was not on the team developing the stock, however, he thought it was a good idea and was composing an email to that team with my suggestion as we spoke. Maybe we'll see one in the future. does not hurt to press them over and over. calls, emails and fb posts. keep asking to gauge demand. if ruger found and provided them the casts for the other components then maybe they can find that cast for them. |
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Posted: 11/1/2019 5:16:11 PM EDT
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I used to have a Falcon Folder, which was an earlier copy. Looks and A-Team aside, it’s actually pretty uncomfortable to shoot in the extended position.
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Posted: 11/1/2019 5:29:05 PM EDT
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I love it when a plan comes together! |
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Posted: 11/1/2019 6:25:47 PM EDT
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I used to have a Falcon Folder, which was an earlier copy. Looks and A-Team aside, it’s actually pretty uncomfortable to shoot in the extended position. This new stock might make me want to pick up a stainless one now to go with my blued GB. Gotten bored with the new guns and got into a retro kick |
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Posted: 11/1/2019 7:02:22 PM EDT
[#27]
I wonder if it would close with a neoprene sleeve over the strut? I can see where that would suck donkey balls in cold weather.
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Posted: 11/1/2019 7:04:50 PM EDT
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I wonder if it would close with a neoprene sleeve over the strut? I can see where that would suck donkey balls in cold weather. |
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Posted: 11/1/2019 7:52:57 PM EDT
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I wonder if it would close with a neoprene sleeve over the strut? I can see where that would suck donkey balls in cold weather. 
$300.00... if stainless, I'll find the funds. Maybe sell my Remington R51. 
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Posted: 11/1/2019 8:09:06 PM EDT
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You are correct. 181 and later series all use the modern stock inletting. AC-556 stocks...Click To View Spoiler 180/190 series guns are different from later designs in several significant ways (stock, bolt, extractor, bolt hold-open, selector if AC-556). Short version = don't buy a 180 series Mini-14 (or a 190 series AC-556), since those specific parts are unobtanium, and Ruger dropped support for them long ago when they ran out of the old parts. Pic of 180 series for clarity: https://images.gunsinternational.com/listings_sub/acc_342/gi_101011739/Ruger-Mini-14-223-Rem_101011739_342_3CA05CB199A4EDBD.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't think factory stocks fit the 180 series. 181 and later series all use the modern stock inletting. AC-556 stocks...Click To View Spoiler 180/190 series guns are different from later designs in several significant ways (stock, bolt, extractor, bolt hold-open, selector if AC-556). Short version = don't buy a 180 series Mini-14 (or a 190 series AC-556), since those specific parts are unobtanium, and Ruger dropped support for them long ago when they ran out of the old parts. Pic of 180 series for clarity: https://images.gunsinternational.com/listings_sub/acc_342/gi_101011739/Ruger-Mini-14-223-Rem_101011739_342_3CA05CB199A4EDBD.jpg |
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Posted: 11/2/2019 11:15:02 AM EDT
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so who would be the best samson distributor to contact with the best chance of getting one in the first release?
oh wait.......... distributor is not dealer. i think they have to go to the distributor then dealer. heck, if they were sold factory direct samson could cut out two middle men and wtf the price would be way less. |
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Posted: 11/3/2019 5:11:19 PM EDT
[#32]
When are these supposed to be released?
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Posted: 11/3/2019 10:31:21 PM EDT
[#33]
If this really comes to pass at an OK price point I'm going to have to start keeping an eye open for used Minis.
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Posted: 11/4/2019 7:48:00 AM EDT
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so who would be the best samson distributor to contact with the best chance of getting one in the first release? oh wait.......... distributor is not dealer. i think they have to go to the distributor then dealer. heck, if they were sold factory direct samson could cut out two middle men and wtf the price would be way less. When a manufacturer who sells to distributors and dealers also sells to retail, the retail cost must be higher for this reason, and because it costs a LOT more for the manufacturer to take one order, process one order, package one order, ship one order, and then deal with that one customer who can't read the directions on installing the one thing they purchased. |
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Posted: 11/4/2019 10:22:03 AM EDT
[#35]
I'm glad to see this happen, the price of the real Ruger stuff will suffer a bit in the short term, but like everything retro the real deal will always be in demand & expensive.
Like retro gun barrels, i had a barrel maker make me a custom barrel in 1-14 twist, cut to the original super thin profile of the first AR15 barrels, it was not cheap but still not anywhere near the going price of an original barrels. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 2:02:00 AM EDT
[#36]
I will be getting one for sure. My mini has been wating for years for one.
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Posted: 11/5/2019 3:00:11 AM EDT
[#37]
God Bless America and our capitalistic system!!! If you build it, they will come!!!
I'm in for one, possibly two!!! |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 9:39:55 PM EDT
[#38]
How long do you think it will be until Ruger releases a "Samson" variant, ala the Ruger American Hunter w/Magpul?
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Posted: 11/6/2019 10:00:58 AM EDT
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I do not understand the issue with using a shiny black plastic for the grip.
The original material may not be found, but there is no issue with finding another. Shiny black plastic/poly is readily out there and is commonly used in injection. It will not be original but could look very close. I hope the final product includes it. |
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Posted: 11/8/2019 10:17:28 AM EDT
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Wonderful customer service from Samsom........
I requested via email about who will be the stocking distributer and what dealers and they will not reply. |
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Posted: 11/8/2019 11:35:09 AM EDT
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Wonderful customer service from Samsom........ I requested via email about who will be the stocking distributer and what dealers and they will not reply. |
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Posted: 11/8/2019 11:58:30 AM EDT
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Maybe they don't have it nailed down yet. Just because you ask, doesn't mean that there is always an answer available. |
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Posted: 11/8/2019 12:38:08 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: then you courteously reply with that or something like that. Oh wait.... I forgot, customer service is now millennial service, completely different things. Their dealers and distributors are not required to carry the entire line of Samson products. Brownells carries some of Samson's products, Modway carries some, Bass Pro carries a few items. |
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Posted: 11/8/2019 9:45:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can answer for Samson- Until dealers or distributors place orders with Samson, they do not know who will be stocking dealers or distributors. Their dealers and distributors are not required to carry the entire line of Samson products. Brownells carries some of Samson's products, Modway carries some, Bass Pro carries a few items. they might not know yet, they might be waiting for sufficient stock on hand, they might be ironing down contract disputes before they can offer it for sale, they might be subcontracting with Ruger direct (ala Manticore and CZ for the Scorpion bullpup which CZ has sat on  ).
Or maybe they'll release it at SHOT, right after it's banned in VA 
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Posted: 11/11/2019 10:21:35 AM EDT
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I think the blued ones have been selling for around $500, but I haven't been tracking them with great precision. Stainless generally adds $50 to $100 premium. May sell for almost $700. Buyers may not know about the reproduction or need only a blue model. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/842337082 |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 1:35:59 PM EDT
[#46]
So, does anyone have a release date for this product?
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Posted: 11/12/2019 1:46:51 PM EDT
[#47]
Where’s the stud on the forend that the stock locks on to when it’s folded?
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:07:44 PM EDT
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Where's the stud on the forend that the stock locks on to when it's folded?
It is there. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 11:39:25 PM EDT
[#49]
They say they are having issues making shiny black plastic? Beretta still makes some shiny black plastic grips for their traditional mini pistols.
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Posted: 11/13/2019 8:51:16 AM EDT
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They say they are having issues making shiny black plastic? Beretta still makes some shiny black plastic grips for their traditional mini pistols. the poly (not original) needed is readily available. i bet they will succeed. |
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