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Posted: 4/11/2018 7:44:10 AM EDT
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I am not a lawyer but I agree that you have to be very careful on knowing where exactly the line is with regards to "pistol braces". I have read opinions that even something like removing the factory velcro strap could be considered a "modification" that voids the approval letter and turns your set up into an SBR.
Again, I am not an expert and I am not telling anybody what to do or what not to do. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 12:50:08 PM EDT
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Nobody knows.
About as simple as it gets. Doc |
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Posted: 4/12/2018 11:18:37 AM EDT
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I'm going with the opinion that as long as it functions as it was intended(whether or not it is) then I don't see the ATF pursuing it.
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Posted: 4/12/2018 11:24:55 AM EDT
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Nobody knows. About as simple as it gets. Doc |
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Posted: 4/13/2018 8:05:22 AM EDT
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My opinion, if you start with a std. M4 stock and cut the butt off and attach a Tailhook, you have a stock with a brace on it. Which means you still have a stock on a firearm. Which the ATF says is an SBR.
I don't see how attaching a brace to a stock legally makes it a brace. When I did my first pistol I thought about a Thordsen type setup and was going to cut an m4 stock with a CAA saddle down to just enough to support the saddle and disable the adjustment lever. But while it's functionally the same as a Thordsen, cutting off part of a stock does not legally change it to something else. At last count I have eight pistols with Shockwave or SB braces. So I love where all this is going, and I respect anyone who is willing to put a toe over the line to push the boundary. I just can't afford for that toe to be mine. |
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Posted: 4/13/2018 1:21:32 PM EDT
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Can someone post an example of what exactly is being talked about?
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Posted: 4/13/2018 2:17:23 PM EDT
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Send ATF a letter...
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Posted: 4/13/2018 2:20:37 PM EDT
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My opinion, if you start with a std. M4 stock and cut the butt off and attach a Tailhook, you have a stock with a brace on it. Which means you still have a stock on a firearm. Which the ATF says is an SBR. I don't see how attaching a brace to a stock legally makes it a brace. When I did my first pistol I thought about a Thordsen type setup and was going to cut an m4 stock with a CAA saddle down to just enough to support the saddle and disable the adjustment lever. But while it's functionally the same as a Thordsen, cutting off part of a stock does not legally change it to something else. At last count I have eight pistols with Shockwave or SB braces. So I love where all this is going, and I respect anyone who is willing to put a toe over the line to push the boundary. I just can't afford for that toe to be mine. |
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Posted: 4/13/2018 3:35:01 PM EDT
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Can someone post an example of what exactly is being talked about? |
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Posted: 4/13/2018 5:18:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI know what a Tailhook brace is,
I wanted to see an example of the modifications to stock assemblies people are debating the legality of. Really ? I will remove the added colorful unwanted comment for you. Please refrain from using anything like that again. Consider this your verbal warning , Thank You One of your friendly Mods. bfoosh006 |
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Posted: 4/14/2018 5:58:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know what a Talihook brace is, I wanted to see an example of the modifications to stock assemblies people are debating the legality of. 
Seems way too iffy for me, but who knows. |
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Posted: 4/14/2018 9:10:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is in the CZ thread in pistol caliber forum a few down. https://i.imgur.com/ylZsSUo.png Seems way too iffy for me, but who knows. No way is that worth it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2018 9:46:29 AM EDT
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That particular one does seem questionable. They appear to just cut off the last "U-turn" bit of the factory brace and clamp that on.
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Posted: 4/15/2018 11:21:52 AM EDT
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What would Thomas Jefferson do?
The real shame is in todays world all our founders would be in federal prison and ABC, NBC and the MSN would all be plastering their photos all over the news calling them terrorists. Enemies of the (deep) state. |
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Posted: 4/19/2018 12:13:44 AM EDT
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An example of this is someone getting an mp5 collapsable stock and cutting off the entire shoulder pad portion and attaching the tailhook portion so that you have a tailhook that can collapse. You didnt modify the actual pistol brace and the part left over from the stock isnt the actual stock it just the mechanism that hold it in place, sort of like how the buffer tube on an ar isnt the stock and sb tactical just made a brace that fit on a mil-spec buffer tube. Aside from people modifying things at home there are companies making adapters for a variety of firearms that will fit the tailhook, while the adapter itself is basically a part of a stock, an example is safety harbor firearms.
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Posted: 5/6/2018 6:27:19 PM EDT
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An example of this is someone getting an mp5 collapsable stock and cutting off the entire shoulder pad portion and attaching the tailhook portion so that you have a tailhook that can collapse. You didnt modify the actual pistol brace and the part left over from the stock isnt the actual stock it just the mechanism that hold it in place, sort of like how the buffer tube on an ar isnt the stock and sb tactical just made a brace that fit on a mil-spec buffer tube. Aside from people modifying things at home there are companies making adapters for a variety of firearms that will fit the tailhook, while the adapter itself is basically a part of a stock, an example is safety harbor firearms. I'd imagine they are as legal as this will be when it comes out: Micro Scorpion |
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