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Posted: 12/29/2018 10:12:33 PM EDT
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The rifle will tell you which one it likes best!
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Posted: 12/29/2018 10:14:17 PM EDT
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The rifle will tell you which one it likes best! 
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Posted: 12/29/2018 10:16:12 PM EDT
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168 for mine but 147 is very close.
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Posted: 12/29/2018 10:29:50 PM EDT
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168 fgmm is a common load used for matches with these rifles.
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Posted: 12/29/2018 10:35:24 PM EDT
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i mean for maximum accuracy of course 24" barrel whats been proven best? 147? 168? anything? For 'antipersonnel' use, any 147-155gn projectile that will consistently yield sub-2MOA in YOUR rifle out to as far as you can hold. |
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Posted: 12/29/2018 10:50:21 PM EDT
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We were issued M118 ammo for our EMRs in Afghanistan. 172 grain I believe. Lots of history about that round on the interwebs. Might be worth reading how they decided it was optimal.
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Posted: 12/29/2018 10:57:22 PM EDT
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We were issued M118 ammo for our EMRs in Afghanistan. 172 grain I believe. Lots of history about that round on the interwebs. Might be worth reading how they decided it was optimal. |
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Posted: 12/29/2018 11:12:04 PM EDT
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some others have been looking into it as well
https://www.ar15.com/forums/precision-rifles/MK316-Mod-0/7-6292/?r=-1&page=1&anc=86445#bottom |
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Posted: 12/29/2018 11:17:52 PM EDT
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i mean for maximum accuracy of course 24" barrel whats been proven best? 147? 168? anything? |
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Posted: 12/29/2018 11:21:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean standard length, 22 inches? 
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Posted: 12/29/2018 11:53:19 PM EDT
[#11]
Mine really likes 168.
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Posted: 12/30/2018 12:40:59 PM EDT
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168
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Posted: 12/30/2018 12:41:55 PM EDT
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Mine really likes 168. |
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Posted: 12/30/2018 3:50:15 PM EDT
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For competition ? 168 SMK for mid range XTC, 175 SMK for 1k yds.
Budget Handloading for general shooting any quality 147-150 FMJ Bullet. |
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Posted: 12/30/2018 9:51:48 PM EDT
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In the M1 and M14, I have had very good results using the 150 grain Nosler ballistic tip
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Posted: 1/1/2019 12:25:35 AM EDT
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Dunno about factory loads, but 135gr and 168gr SMKs shot good to 300yds.
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Posted: 1/1/2019 10:36:07 AM EDT
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when I was shooting high power silh. in the military semi-auto class (M1a NM), I used 155 Nos. competition for 200/300/385 and 168 SMK for the 500 rams. Why beat yourself up with heavy bullets at 200 when you don't need to....the 1/11 twist in the M1a likes both bullets. Shrps74
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Posted: 1/1/2019 11:07:57 AM EDT
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I shoot 125 TNTs out to 200yds. Cheap, not fussy about loads, and very accurate. The recoil is very mild and they don't pound on the gun as hard.
Past there I'll shoot whatever I can get reasonably cheap in the 155/168/175 weights, favoring the 155/175s because they do a lot better against the wind. Nosler CC's, SMKs. I have Lapua scenars now--shoot well but a little fussy (hard to get a load dialed in). I shot a ton of 155 AMax's, but always got some flakey corner shots on the long line which I think is due to the points getting beat up. This is all through a 1:12" Kreiger. Similar results with the Douglas 1:10 I used to have. The 168 SMK/Nosler CC's are the easiest to get to fly accurately. But they are ho-hum in the drop/wind drift department. |
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Posted: 1/1/2019 11:19:52 AM EDT
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What twist? 1-10, 1-11, or 1-12? what weight of bullet? heavier [longer will need a faster twist.]
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Posted: 1/3/2019 4:58:56 PM EDT
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I really like 125gr Speer TNT for 200 and in. Don’t have access to much further so it suites me. I’ll have to try a 135gr SMK just for kicks.
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Posted: 1/4/2019 4:39:25 AM EDT
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I really like 125gr Speer TNT for 200 and in. Don't have access to much further so it suites me. I'll have to try a 135gr SMK just for kicks. 
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Posted: 1/4/2019 5:59:08 AM EDT
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Depends on what mood the guns in.
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Posted: 1/5/2019 12:28:25 AM EDT
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I have a chrome lined 1:12 22" barrel. I mostly shoot M80 ball out of it - which is 147 gr.
I also have great accuracy with the IMI 175gr OTM. Very nice but I've been shooting less of it since I can't find it any more on midwayusa. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 2:18:56 AM EDT
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Depends on what mood the guns in.
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Posted: 1/6/2019 10:44:35 AM EDT
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I’ve been shooting PMC 168 xtac OTM in my SOCOM 16 and my M700. Hornaday 165gr Full Bore shoots to the same POA so I switch to that for hunting.
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Posted: 1/7/2019 5:41:08 PM EDT
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I used 168 out to 300 and 175 for 600. sierra matchkings
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Posted: 1/11/2019 8:55:40 AM EDT
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168's and 175's. in mine. I still shoot a lot of 150's
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Posted: 1/11/2019 9:52:14 PM EDT
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For factory loads, I've had really good luck with Federal American Eagle 7.62x51mm NATO 168 Grain Open Tip Match (OTM) loaded specifically for the "M1A". The box actually says "FOR M1A USE".
Expensive at over $1.00 / rd, but very satisfying when you shoot those tight sub-MOA groups with it. M80 Ball was (and is) loaded with 147 gr FMJ bullets, and the rifles I had built with USGI barrels do well with it also. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 12:35:05 PM EDT
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For factory loads, I've had really good luck with Federal American Eagle 7.62x51mm NATO 168 Grain Open Tip Match (OTM) loaded specifically for the "M1A". The box actually says "FOR M1A USE". Expensive at over $1.00 / rd, but very satisfying when you shoot those tight sub-MOA groups with it. M80 Ball was (and is) loaded with 147 gr FMJ bullets, and the rifles I had built with USGI barrels do well with it also. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 1:30:13 PM EDT
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Interesting, I'll have to look those up Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For factory loads, I've had really good luck with Federal American Eagle 7.62x51mm NATO 168 Grain Open Tip Match (OTM) loaded specifically for the "M1A". The box actually says "FOR M1A USE". Expensive at over $1.00 / rd, but very satisfying when you shoot those tight sub-MOA groups with it. M80 Ball was (and is) loaded with 147 gr FMJ bullets, and the rifles I had built with USGI barrels do well with it also. Stock fit should be tight, as it will affect accuracy. Nothing beats an excellent condition USGI stock for fit, in my experience. I install a Sadlak Ind. NM op rod spring guide in all my rifles, as they seem to shrink groups and its a cheap, effective upgrade for $45.00 dollars. You may benefit from shimming your gas cylinder, depending on how it fits on the barrel now. Shim sets are just a few dollars, but I've personally never had to use them. Some gas pistons shoot better in some rifles for some reason. Armorers have been known to swap gas pistons until they found one that shot better than the others when building NM-conditioned rifles. These are just some of the little things you can do to improve accuracy on an M14-type rifle without glass bedding, reaming the flash suppressor, unitizing the gas cylinder, and other major changes. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 1:37:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Try some different factory loads and let us know how it shoots. Shoot at least a half magazine of ball or some other cheap ammo before you settle down with the rifle to fire it for accuracy. Once you take an M14 or M14-type rifle's action out of the stock for routine cleaning and maintenance, it needs to "settle in" with a few rounds after its reassembled just like an M1. Barring some sort exposure to the elements like shooting in a downpour during the monsoons or being dropped in snow, I don't field strip my M14 type rifles after shooting for that reason; run some patches with CLP or some other cleaner through the bore followed by a dry patch or two, and wipe down the gas piston (leave it dry). Ensure the rifle is properly greased (not "oiled") per the TM. Stock fit should be tight, as it will affect accuracy. Nothing beats an excellent condition USGI stock for fit, in my experience. I install a Sadlak Ind. NM op rod spring guide in all my rifles, as they seem to shrink groups and its a cheap, effective upgrade for $45.00 dollars. You may benefit from shimming your gas cylinder, depending on how it fits on the barrel now. Shim sets are just a few dollars, but I've personally never had to use them. Some gas pistons shoot better in some rifles for some reason. Armorers have been known to swap gas pistons until they found one that shot better than the others when building NM-conditioned rifles. These are just some of the little things you can do to improve accuracy on an M14-type rifle without glass bedding, reaming the flash suppressor, unitizing the gas cylinder, and other major changes.
Damn, they're sensitive little things.
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Posted: 1/12/2019 1:46:46 PM EDT
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Like I said, it depends on the mood the guns in.
Damn, they're sensitive little things. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Try some different factory loads and let us know how it shoots. Shoot at least a half magazine of ball or some other cheap ammo before you settle down with the rifle to fire it for accuracy. Once you take an M14 or M14-type rifle's action out of the stock for routine cleaning and maintenance, it needs to "settle in" with a few rounds after its reassembled just like an M1. Barring some sort exposure to the elements like shooting in a downpour during the monsoons or being dropped in snow, I don't field strip my M14 type rifles after shooting for that reason; run some patches with CLP or some other cleaner through the bore followed by a dry patch or two, and wipe down the gas piston (leave it dry). Ensure the rifle is properly greased (not "oiled") per the TM. Stock fit should be tight, as it will affect accuracy. Nothing beats an excellent condition USGI stock for fit, in my experience. I install a Sadlak Ind. NM op rod spring guide in all my rifles, as they seem to shrink groups and its a cheap, effective upgrade for $45.00 dollars. You may benefit from shimming your gas cylinder, depending on how it fits on the barrel now. Shim sets are just a few dollars, but I've personally never had to use them. Some gas pistons shoot better in some rifles for some reason. Armorers have been known to swap gas pistons until they found one that shot better than the others when building NM-conditioned rifles. These are just some of the little things you can do to improve accuracy on an M14-type rifle without glass bedding, reaming the flash suppressor, unitizing the gas cylinder, and other major changes.
Damn, they're sensitive little things. Once you find a factory load that shoots for you, you're in like Flynn. Shimming the gas cylinder or swapping out gas cylinders (if needed) is a one-time change. If anything, a wood stock can behave in a "sensitive" fashion and affect accuracy if it swells or contracts due to climate or weather, but that's not confined to the M1 or M14. I have a Winchester Mod 70 Featherweight in 7X57 MM that I purchased at the Camp Pendleton PX when I was in infantry school in 1984. I haven't been able to get it to shoot worth a damn since I moved to ID from NM. It went sour on me. 
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Posted: 1/13/2019 12:23:31 PM EDT
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... I have a Winchester Mod 70 Featherweight in 7X57 MM that I purchased at the Camp Pendleton PX when I was in infantry school in 1984. I haven't been able to get it to shoot worth a damn since I moved to ID from NM. It went sour on me. |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 5:35:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: id like a ball park at least 
My guess is I pulled that one. I've shot better previously wit FGMM, but that was the last time I did testing: 
I'm sort of a remington fanatic. So that's where I'd start. But FGMM is sort of the place to start generally speaking. I think. If you want good accuracy. There are probably maybe a bit better rounds out there, but not run of the mill match that doens't cost a fortune. Like Lapua probably makes a real good .308 load. I've never tried it though. But hang on, Black Hills is really the place I like to start for any gun. But I never did buy any .308 match from them..... ooops. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 3:33:59 AM EDT
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what a incredibly finicky rifle, well other semi auto full power rifles that developed out of the 20s were no better
i wonder if a Mondragon would cooperate better
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Posted: 1/15/2019 6:18:24 PM EDT
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Mine shoots well with 168 FGMM, BH, and Winchester match. I have also used misc hunting loads in the rifle to good effect. It also shoot surplus 147 M80 stuff great as well.
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Posted: 1/17/2019 1:57:29 AM EDT
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If I had to pick just one bullet to start with it would be the Sierra's 175 gr MatchKing.
Second choice would be the 168 gr MatchKing. Third choice,... well, if one or the other of the two above won't shoot well, something is wrong with the rifle. |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 5:10:21 AM EDT
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If I had to pick just one bullet to start with it would be the Sierra's 175 gr MatchKing. Second choice would be the 168 gr MatchKing. Third choice,... well, if one or the other of the two above won't shoot well, something is wrong with the rifle.
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Posted: 1/18/2019 10:18:48 AM EDT
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3rd... 155gr SMK! |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 2:27:12 PM EDT
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The one I had shot Portugese 147 grain surplus very well too. It consistently shot it 1.5-2 MOA. If I was gonna shoot an informal match, I would've had no problems using that stuff and feeling good about it. I mean like a 200 yard rebated match.
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Posted: 1/18/2019 4:26:29 PM EDT
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2155 or 2156?
Unless the 55 is noticeably less expensive, the 56. |
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Posted: 1/19/2019 8:50:54 PM EDT
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168 |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 10:24:04 PM EDT
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German MEN 147gr is awesome in the M14.
Super accurate, flat-shooting, basically match grade ammo that looks and shoots like Lapua Match. |
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Posted: 2/1/2019 5:14:01 PM EDT
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I agree with Trollslayer, i.e., the 168 or 175 SMK.
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Posted: 2/5/2019 11:48:45 AM EDT
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I shot two barrels out of my M1a trying to leg with it before service rifle made the change to scopes. I used a 125 TNT load at 200 yards and 300 rapid if the wind was down and 175 SMK for 600. If you care for the rifle it will shoot.
My eyesight was my downfall. I had to shoot and hold a tight position to shoot well, much the same as everyone else. You can’t try and muscle this rifle it will shoot where it is pointed not where you want it to point. One of the best things about shooting the M14 type on the line is you never have to worry about picking up someone else’s brass. The worst thing is the guys next to you hate you and your muzzle blast. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 12:37:07 AM EDT
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We were issued M118 ammo for our EMRs in Afghanistan. 172 grain I believe. Lots of history about that round on the interwebs. Might be worth reading how they decided it was optimal. It’s a manstopper. They use Sierra March King BTHP’s in the 118 IIRC. |
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