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Posted: 4/30/2021 7:03:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/30/2021 7:15:43 PM EDT
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Bump
I took my keymo and ebrake to see my can in jail. Made sure it all fit, it did. Saw a couple threads where mounts wouldn’t go or threads were crooked. Had me nervous. Best of luck op. I’m sure someone will be along to help. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 7:31:39 PM EDT
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How new is your nomad? There was two threads on here recently where the threads on the back of the nomad were machined to tight. The fix was to send it back and they would do a quick recut on them. Wonder if this is the same issue.
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Posted: 4/30/2021 7:52:49 PM EDT
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The Nomad is from 10/2020 but the Keymo goes on fine with only the need to use my hand to tighten. I got the Xeno on the Nomad but had to use a spanner wrench to screw it on.
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Posted: 4/30/2021 7:54:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bump I took my keymo and ebrake to see my can in jail. Made sure it all fit, it did. Saw a couple threads where mounts wouldn’t go or threads were crooked. Had me nervous. Best of luck op. I’m sure someone will be along to help. Keymo and ebrake both thread onto the Nomad fine. One of my Xenos was bought when they were released and the second was bought a few weeks ago. |
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Posted: 5/1/2021 12:02:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Nomad is from 10/2020 but the Keymo goes on fine with only the need to use my hand to tighten. I got the Xeno on the Nomad but had to use a spanner wrench to screw it on. In the future never force something that should thread easily |
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Posted: 5/1/2021 12:04:20 AM EDT
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I just tried my new xeno mount on my resonator and it threaded in but got tight.
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Posted: 5/1/2021 12:25:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the future never force something that should thread easily I knew better and thankfully there was no cross-threading and the shoulder screws flat to the suppressor. |
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Posted: 5/1/2021 8:07:20 AM EDT
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I ran into the same thing last week with two Xenos and a Nomad. I figured it was a problem with the Xeno adaptors because the direct thread adaptor screwed in and out no problem. I contacted Dead Air and they said they were concerned that it might be the threads on the Nomad. They sent me a shipping label and right now it's on it's way to Utah.
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Posted: 5/1/2021 8:37:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I ran into the same thing last week with two Xenos and a Nomad. I figured it was a problem with the Xeno adaptors because the direct thread adaptor screwed in and out no problem. I contacted Dead Air and they said they were concerned that it might be the threads on the Nomad. They sent me a shipping label and right now it's on it's way to Utah. Hopefully it’s not going to Utah. should be going to Georgia |
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Posted: 5/1/2021 8:53:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully it’s not going to Utah. should be going to Georgia You just gave me a panic attack. The label said Kamas, UT, same as the contact info on their website. |
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Posted: 5/1/2021 8:59:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You just gave me a panic attack. The label said Kamas, UT, same as the contact info on their website. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hopefully it’s not going to Utah. should be going to Georgia You just gave me a panic attack. The label said Kamas, UT, same as the contact info on their website. All warranty work on suppressors goes to GA. Utah is just customer service. |
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Posted: 5/1/2021 9:12:23 AM EDT
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I guess that will slow the turnaround then, damn.
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Posted: 5/1/2021 9:41:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I ran into the same thing last week with two Xenos and a Nomad. I figured it was a problem with the Xeno adaptors because the direct thread adaptor screwed in and out no problem. I contacted Dead Air and they said they were concerned that it might be the threads on the Nomad. They sent me a shipping label and right now it's on it's way to Utah. I don't think it is the Nomad. I think it is the Xeno mounts. All of my other mounts fit the Nomad fine, it is just the two Xeno mounts that are extremely tight. |
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Posted: 5/1/2021 9:47:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think it is the Nomad. I think it is the Xeno mounts. All of my other mounts fit the Nomad fine, it is just the two Xeno mounts that are extremely tight. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I ran into the same thing last week with two Xenos and a Nomad. I figured it was a problem with the Xeno adaptors because the direct thread adaptor screwed in and out no problem. I contacted Dead Air and they said they were concerned that it might be the threads on the Nomad. They sent me a shipping label and right now it's on it's way to Utah. I don't think it is the Nomad. I think it is the Xeno mounts. All of my other mounts fit the Nomad fine, it is just the two Xeno mounts that are extremely tight. Ya in your case it sure sounds like it. Ether way. DA are great people and they will take care of you. |
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Posted: 5/1/2021 9:59:20 AM EDT
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DA seems to be have to take care of a lot of people recently. Don’t get me wrong, it’s good that they are responsive and stand behind their products, but there seem to be a lot of threads here of problems with DA stuff, usually every time something new comes out. Good people or not, I’d prefer a company that didn’t need to have brand new things sent back for repair.
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Posted: 5/1/2021 10:11:01 AM EDT
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I will add a little more data on mine. I measured the thread OD of the direct thread adaptor and the Xeno. The Xeno was .0045 larger. But even with that info they thought it might be the Nomad. I'm assuming that mine isn't the first issue they've seen and that they know what's going on.
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Posted: 5/1/2021 10:40:46 AM EDT
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My xeno adapter was tight, but not too tight to install with tools. I chalked it up to differences in material and thread tolerances.
OP, keep us updated please. Edit for correctness. |
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Posted: 5/1/2021 11:31:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The xeno adapters are titanium. The regular Nomad 30 is not. That could be part of the issue. My titanium direct thread adapter was loose in my Nomad L. My xeno adapter was tight, but not too tight to install with tools. I chalked it up to differences in material and thread tolerances. OP, keep us updated please. My Xeno adapter isn't titanium, too heavy to be titanium. Just looked it up on DA's site, it is 4140 steel. |
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Posted: 5/1/2021 12:03:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully it’s not going to Utah. should be going to Georgia Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully it’s not going to Utah. should be going to Georgia Some things still go to Utah. Pappas himself will look at this when it happens. He'll typically get it returned the same day it arrives and he prides himself on that. On the Xeno front, we've had some here and there show up with nitride that has built up down in the root of the threads. This is from coating companies rushing parts through across the whole industry. If you have something you've purchased from almost any company that is nitrided in volume, you'll probably be able to find something like this. It's low enough level, that when we batch inspect, we're not finding it. If there's one out of hundred, or even a thousand, then we'll see it come back and it can be easily replaced. Quoted: DA seems to be have to take care of a lot of people recently. Don’t get me wrong, it’s good that they are responsive and stand behind their products, but there seem to be a lot of threads here of problems with DA stuff, usually every time something new comes out. Good people or not, I’d prefer a company that didn’t need to have brand new things sent back for repair. Not really. We're seeing a good improvement on CS issues. What you've been seeing is people having easy access to internet forums that show an issue. We're also shipping massive quantities in the is crazy market, so it's natural that more issues will rise to the surface because the probabilities for finding something just went up 10-fold. Right now, we get about 1 or 2 thread issues like this a week--while we're shipping thousands of parts. Todd Magee Dead Air |
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Posted: 5/1/2021 12:23:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On the Xeno front, we've had some here and there show up with nitride that has built up down in the root of the threads. This is from coating companies rushing parts through across the whole industry. If you have something you've purchased from almost any company that is nitrided in volume, you'll probably be able to find something like this. It's low enough level, that when we batch inspect, we're not finding it. If there's one out of hundred, or even a thousand, then we'll see it come back and it can be easily replaced. This may be the case with my two Xeno adapters. I removed the Xeno adapter and there was some material on top of the blast baffle. I removed it and it seemed like flakes of paint in anti-seize, not metal shards. The adapter still goes on very tight, but not nearly as tight as the first time installing it. Just curious, but do you recommend using anti-seize on the adapter when installing in the can? My Vox-S does, but could not find any guidance on the DA cans. If this Nomad can suppresses as well as it looks and feels, it is going to be incredible. |
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Posted: 5/1/2021 1:00:46 PM EDT
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You shouldn’t see any appreciable dimensional growth from nitriding. The process is used on cheap mass market barrels to commonly hold finished dimensions much tighter than thread allowances. If the issue is warpage the parts need to be stress relieved adequately prior to the nitriding.
Tight threads can often be remediated by the end user on the male parts with emery cloth on thread crests and for non case hardened parts a thread file can sometimes add a little ease to the troughs. Sort of an intermediate option between forcing the threads and warranty activity. |
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Posted: 5/1/2021 2:45:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This may be the case with my two Xeno adapters. I removed the Xeno adapter and there was some material on top of the blast baffle. I removed it and it seemed like flakes of paint in anti-seize, not metal shards. The adapter still goes on very tight, but not nearly as tight as the first time installing it. Just curious, but do you recommend using anti-seize on the adapter when installing in the can? My Vox-S does, but could not find any guidance on the DA cans. If this Nomad can suppresses as well as it looks and feels, it is going to be incredible. Quote HistoryQuoted: This may be the case with my two Xeno adapters. I removed the Xeno adapter and there was some material on top of the blast baffle. I removed it and it seemed like flakes of paint in anti-seize, not metal shards. The adapter still goes on very tight, but not nearly as tight as the first time installing it. Just curious, but do you recommend using anti-seize on the adapter when installing in the can? My Vox-S does, but could not find any guidance on the DA cans. If this Nomad can suppresses as well as it looks and feels, it is going to be incredible. Thanks! Yep. I definitely recommend anti-seize. We've seen with some of the nitrided parts coming out lately that some of that oxide buildup or some nitride salts will get "cleaned out" when you first install it and it'll end up feeling OK after that. We recommend that if a customer is experiencing this that they don't force it. We're happy to install it for you if it's tight and that'll keep people from possible hurting some threads. Quoted: You shouldn’t see any appreciable dimensional growth from nitriding. The process is used on cheap mass market barrels to commonly hold finished dimensions much tighter than thread allowances. If the issue is warpage the parts need to be stress relieved adequately prior to the nitriding. Tight threads can often be remediated by the end user on the male parts with emery cloth on thread crests and for non case hardened parts a thread file can sometimes add a little ease to the troughs. Sort of an intermediate option between forcing the threads and warranty activity. What you say is true under normal conditions. Unfortunately, some nitriders are getting lazy and batch processing at high temps across all materials. You get weird buildup in odd places and there are oftentimes nitride salts left in the threads that cause issues as well. When we were working with BPI/Bergara, there was one nitrider that screwed up some of their barrels because the nitride was allowed to build up a couple thou' inside the barrel and they had to be scrapped. It all depends on the process and if it's well controlled. |
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Posted: 5/1/2021 3:04:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some things still go to Utah. Pappas himself will look at this when it happens. He'll typically get it returned the same day it arrives and he prides himself on that. On the Xeno front, we've had some here and there show up with nitride that has built up down in the root of the threads. This is from coating companies rushing parts through across the whole industry. If you have something you've purchased from almost any company that is nitrided in volume, you'll probably be able to find something like this. It's low enough level, that when we batch inspect, we're not finding it. If there's one out of hundred, or even a thousand, then we'll see it come back and it can be easily replaced. Not really. We're seeing a good improvement on CS issues. What you've been seeing is people having easy access to internet forums that show an issue. We're also shipping massive quantities in the is crazy market, so it's natural that more issues will rise to the surface because the probabilities for finding something just went up 10-fold. Right now, we get about 1 or 2 thread issues like this a week--while we're shipping thousands of parts. Todd Magee Dead Air Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hopefully it’s not going to Utah. should be going to Georgia Some things still go to Utah. Pappas himself will look at this when it happens. He'll typically get it returned the same day it arrives and he prides himself on that. On the Xeno front, we've had some here and there show up with nitride that has built up down in the root of the threads. This is from coating companies rushing parts through across the whole industry. If you have something you've purchased from almost any company that is nitrided in volume, you'll probably be able to find something like this. It's low enough level, that when we batch inspect, we're not finding it. If there's one out of hundred, or even a thousand, then we'll see it come back and it can be easily replaced. Quoted: DA seems to be have to take care of a lot of people recently. Don’t get me wrong, it’s good that they are responsive and stand behind their products, but there seem to be a lot of threads here of problems with DA stuff, usually every time something new comes out. Good people or not, I’d prefer a company that didn’t need to have brand new things sent back for repair. Not really. We're seeing a good improvement on CS issues. What you've been seeing is people having easy access to internet forums that show an issue. We're also shipping massive quantities in the is crazy market, so it's natural that more issues will rise to the surface because the probabilities for finding something just went up 10-fold. Right now, we get about 1 or 2 thread issues like this a week--while we're shipping thousands of parts. Todd Magee Dead Air Thanks Todd for clearing that up! I had no idea the big man himself will look into stuff. That’s pretty cool! |
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Posted: 5/1/2021 3:12:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My Xeno adapter isn't titanium, too heavy to be titanium. Just looked it up on DA's site, it is 4140 steel. I was wrong. Sorry about that. I’ll edit my post. |
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Posted: 5/2/2021 1:26:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All warranty work on suppressors goes to GA. Utah is just customer service. gotta send to the address on the Form 4. My Dead Air Suppressors say KG Made in GA. Seems DA is the design shop, but suppressors Form 4 says KG Made, Georgia. I heard that the guy who sold suppressors for KAC is selling suppressors for KG Made. Allen, Brad, Tony... forget his name. |
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Posted: 5/2/2021 10:08:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: gotta send to the address on the Form 4. My Dead Air Suppressors say KG Made in GA. Seems DA is the design shop, but suppressors Form 4 says KG Made, Georgia. I heard that the guy who sold suppressors for KAC is selling suppressors for KG Made. Allen, Brad, Tony... forget his name. |
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Posted: 5/2/2021 2:00:06 PM EDT
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My Nomad-L should be here in a month. Bought it in November. Hopefully it's not from that batch
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Posted: 5/2/2021 2:01:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: DA seems to be have to take care of a lot of people recently. Don’t get me wrong, it’s good that they are responsive and stand behind their products, but there seem to be a lot of threads here of problems with DA stuff, usually every time something new comes out. Good people or not, I’d prefer a company that didn’t need to have brand new things sent back for repair. They recently switching manufacturing from outsourced to in house I believe. It's just growing pains. Annoying yes but their customer service is top notch and they'll take care of it quickly |
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Posted: 5/4/2021 8:10:44 AM EDT
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I got a Fedex notice that my Nomad arrived in Kamas at 1PM yesterday.
At 2:15PM I got an email from Dead Air saying they did touch up the threads on Nomad, the Xeno adaptor was installed, and the email included a return tracking number! I will say that Dead Air's customer service just exceeded my expectations  I'd say a time machine would be required to do any better.
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Posted: 5/6/2021 12:15:53 PM EDT
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Just put my Xeno adapter on my naked nomad, and it fits beautifully. I love this mounting system. LH threads are a money idea. Nice work @mageever
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Posted: 5/6/2021 1:59:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just put my Xeno adapter on my naked nomad, and it fits beautifully. I love this mounting system. LH threads are a money idea. Nice work @mageever Honestly idk why this isn’t SOP across the industry for these types of mounts. If there was one thing I would change about the Plan A it would be LH threads. |
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