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Posted: 8/27/2018 2:17:32 PM EDT
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Sounds too good to be true.
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Posted: 8/27/2018 2:17:40 PM EDT
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ETA: What he said
Seems risky to me. I know there are deals to be had, I got a Trek for $269. But I’d look at the YHM turbo for a low price sure thing. |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 2:33:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2018 2:41:30 PM EDT
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Sounds too good to be true. At least the dB numbers are more realistic 
If it were all true, I would want one for a SBR PS90. |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 2:43:01 PM EDT
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Sounds great, but I am having a hard time buying those claims. I would want to see some serious independent testing first. If what they say is completely accurate and fully substantiated, everyone of my ARs would have one of those on it.
From the website: The goal was to produce a full auto rated suppressor that was hearing safe and make it the most compact unit available anywhere. AND, keep the price of the suppressor and tax stamp under 500.00 so that normal folks can afford it. .223/5.56 caliber, 1/2-28 threading (others pending) 136dB at the shooters ear 8.4 oz. 3.9 inches long (3.2" added length to barrel) 1 1/8 inch in diameter No blow back through the charging handle Made from 416 Stainless Full Auto Rated, 7" barrels and longer FLASH HIDER machined into the end of the Canooter Valve Custom Serial Numbers are available upon request. These Canooter Valves will transfer to your NFA Dealer on a Form 3. |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 2:49:35 PM EDT
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Somebody should ask what meter they used during development...
 only 1 1/8" diameter???!!!!
It would be a little more believable if it was a lot thicker. I've seen PhD say that in his testing internal volume helps with backpressure but length is what controls sound (not sure if he was talking about just muzzle numbers though). Has anybody ever seen a Brevis metered at the ear? |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 2:51:36 PM EDT
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Sounds too good to be true. |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 2:52:24 PM EDT
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Interesting.
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Posted: 8/27/2018 2:53:44 PM EDT
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That's almost some JJFA-level black magic if it's FA rated on a 7" barrel. At least the dB numbers are more realistic
If it were all true, I would want one for a SBR PS90. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds too good to be true. At least the dB numbers are more realistic
If it were all true, I would want one for a SBR PS90. the dBs and internal volume are what I have a hard time believing. |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 3:52:30 PM EDT
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Interesting. Dont see how that could make that kind of number with no blow back. |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 4:29:38 PM EDT
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Those are some bold claims.
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Posted: 8/27/2018 5:06:38 PM EDT
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Hearing safe and full auto rated for $260, eh?
Riiiight. |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 5:16:55 PM EDT
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Somebody should ask what meter they used during development... only 1 1/8" diameter???!!!!
It would be a little more believable if it was a lot thicker. I've seen PhD say that in his testing internal volume helps with backpressure but length is what controls sound (not sure if he was talking about just muzzle numbers though). Has anybody ever seen a Brevis metered at the ear? Volume through length is more effective due to fluid dynamics and residence time. Otherwise cans would be 1:1 cylinders or even spheres as those deliver the most enclosed volume per surface area. A conical suppressor enclosure also has some minor strength to weight benefits, but as a practical matter a pipe with washers muffles 95% of noisy machines on the planet. |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 5:19:18 PM EDT
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"No blow back through the charging handle"
Can someone compare these to OSS suppressors? |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 5:24:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2018 5:50:24 PM EDT
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Sounds too good to be true. |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 5:52:42 PM EDT
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Isn't the new technology amazing.
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Posted: 8/27/2018 7:07:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2018 8:08:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2018 9:44:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2018 10:17:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2018 10:26:25 PM EDT
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I have their 5.8" and 9" all Ti suppressors in .30 cal.... I haven't had a chance to shoot them yet though...
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Posted: 8/27/2018 10:40:02 PM EDT
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I have their 5.8" and 9" all Ti suppressors in .30 cal.... I haven't had a chance to shoot them yet though... |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 10:45:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2018 12:14:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2018 12:27:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2018 12:38:15 AM EDT
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Somebody should ask what meter they used during development... I've built cans that small. In fact, one of my most recent prototypes is the same length (4.08") with a similar reflex chamber size, although it's 1.312" OD instead of 1.125". Mine is fully welded 17-4 with the baffles forming the tube for maximum internal volume. It is hearing safe on a .22 WMR with 10" barrel, but still has a decent pop. I intend this design for .22 WMR, 5.7x28, .22 TCM and other small capacity .22 or 6mm caliber cartridges. While it will hold together on a 5.56 SBR, I imagine when I actually get around to metering it when I get my new B&K 4148 mic, the dB are gonna be in the mid 140s. So, similar length but a good bit more ID, and nowhere near hearing safe with shorty 5.56. That's a whole lot more gas volume and uncorking pressure. Yeah, I'm definitely in the camp that says too good to be true. A can this size will take the edge off, but is not going to be hearing safe on 5.56 SBR. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 12:39:45 AM EDT
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The specs look too good to be true.
How do they manage a 7" minimum barrel length with a stainless steel blast baffle when other suppressors using Stellite or Inconel have 10"+ minimums? How does something smaller in diameter and shorter in length than the Sandman-K offer better performance? How long has this company been in business, and what are the odds of another Huntertown Arms scenario? It looks good in photos and on paper, but color me sceptical. It might be a good option for a 5.7x28, though. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 12:44:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: One that maxxes at 136, I'd wager. Or they forgot to mention that the metering was done with a .22 LR upper. Or maybe they stuck the muzzle end through a hole in a full sheet of OSB. I've built cans that small. In fact, one of my most recent prototypes is the same length (4.08") with a similar reflex chamber size, although it's 1.312" OD instead of 1.125". Mine is fully welded 17-4 with the baffles forming the tube for maximum internal volume. It is hearing safe on a .22 WMR with 10" barrel, but still has a decent pop. I intend this design for .22 WMR, 5.7x28, .22 TCM and other small capacity .22 or 6mm caliber cartridges. While it will hold together on a 5.56 SBR, I imagine when I actually get around to metering it when I get my new B&K 4148 mic, the dB are gonna be in the mid 140s. So, similar length but a good bit more ID, and nowhere near hearing safe with shorty 5.56. That's a whole lot more gas volume and uncorking pressure. Yeah, I'm definitely in the camp that says too good to be true. A can this size will take the edge off, but is not going to be hearing safe on 5.56 SBR. Quoted:
The specs look too good to be true. How do they manage a 7" minimum barrel length with a stainless steel blast baffle when other suppressors using Stellite or Inconel have 10"+ minimums? How does something smaller in diameter and shorter in length than the Sandman-K offer better performance? How long has this company been in business, and what are the odds of another Huntertown Arms scenario? It looks good in photos and on paper, but color me sceptical. It might be a good option for a 5.7x28, though. 
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Posted: 8/28/2018 12:51:08 AM EDT
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What about that weight tho? Stainless can, that is 8.4oz? Seems 
But, again, I saved weight and increased volume by making the baffle skirts form the tube. And I'm not making claims of 30 dB reduction with a centerfire rifle cartridge from a mini can. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 12:54:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mine is 7.6 oz https://i.imgur.com/5On74uL.jpg But, again, I saved weight and increased volume by making the baffle skirts form the tube. And I'm not making claims of 30 dB reduction with a centerfire rifle cartridge from a mini can. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:09:58 AM EDT
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The specs look too good to be true. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The specs look too good to be true. Quoted:How do they manage a 7" minimum barrel length with a stainless steel blast baffle when other suppressors using Stellite or Inconel have 10"+ minimums? Quoted:How does something smaller in diameter and shorter in length than the Sandman-K offer better performance? Quoted:How long has this company been in business, and what are the odds of another Huntertown Arms scenario? Quoted:It looks good in photos and on paper, but color me sceptical. It might be a good option for a 5.7x28, though. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:13:53 AM EDT
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Their claims for their integrally suppressed uppers seem a bit optimistic:
300 Blackout Subs117Db
300 Blackout Supersonic124Db .223 / 5.56126Db MilSpec testing protocol 
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:25:41 AM EDT
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Their claims for their integrally suppressed uppers seem a bit optimistic: Perhaps Ken doesn't understand that meter calibration is important, or that just because a mic has the dB range doesn't mean it has the frequency range to pick up peak impulse SPL. There are lots of mics for Bruhl & Kjaer, Larson & Davis or other premium meters which will pick up 170 dB, but won't get the peak impulse SPL of a gunshot, so your readings will be low. I spent a lot of time researching before I decided which mics I should be on the lookout for. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:27:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I noticed that. Claiming 120 db with 6.5 Creed as well. Don't think so. Perhaps Ken doesn't understand that meter calibration is important. 
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Posted: 8/28/2018 4:35:00 AM EDT
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But it says "MilSpec testing protocol"... It also looks like an FDE Tampon Applicator.....
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Posted: 8/28/2018 6:24:20 AM EDT
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We could always ask the hard question: which meter are you using?
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Posted: 8/28/2018 6:53:00 AM EDT
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We could always ask the hard question: which meter are you using? 
I'd love to see a meter test for this suppressor from a reputable source. I love the idea of short and slim K cans, and at this price point I would buy a couple of them! The problem is that I don't believe their numbers at all, which calls into question any other claims they make. Someone please prove to me that this is real! |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 9:24:18 AM EDT
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They're all close enough, right?
I'd love to see a meter test for this suppressor from a reputable source. I love the idea of short and slim K cans, and at this price point I would buy a couple of them! The problem is that I don't believe their numbers at all, which calls into question any other claims they make. Someone please prove to me that this is real! If I'm ever on my way to Alamosa, Pagosa, Durango, I'll take 160 and stop by, see what the deal is in person. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 9:35:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think all of the ratings are about 10 dB below the real figure. I'd find 146 believable for the mini, 130 totally plausible for an integral 6.5 CM. If I'm ever on my way to Alamosa, Pagosa, Durango, I'll take 160 and stop by, see what the deal is in person. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 9:40:35 AM EDT
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I need one of these for my rifle that exclusively uses the Vortex/Hornady Bullet-Cam rounds.
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Posted: 8/28/2018 10:31:37 AM EDT
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Their claims for their integrally suppressed uppers seem a bit optimistic: |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 10:35:19 AM EDT
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I need one of these for my rifle that exclusively uses the Vortex/Hornady Bullet-Cam rounds. 
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Posted: 8/28/2018 10:54:01 AM EDT
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They have been selling clamp on muzzle brakes for a while, I tried one on a Mosin and was disappointed. Couldn't keep it straight and even shot it off once before I gave up on it.
I had no idea they made suppressors now. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 10:56:57 AM EDT
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I was going to joke about a clamp on suppressor but wholly crap they have a method advertised to do that.
https://www.wittmachine.net/custom-clamp-on-threaded-adapter.html Accepts many Suppressors on the market. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 10:58:32 AM EDT
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I was going to joke about a clamp on suppressor but wholly crap they have a method advertised to do that. https://www.wittmachine.net/custom-clamp-on-threaded-adapter.html
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Posted: 8/28/2018 11:11:02 AM EDT
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I need one of these for my rifle that exclusively uses the Vortex/Hornady Bullet-Cam rounds.
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Posted: 8/28/2018 11:11:19 AM EDT
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Is there an adapter to clamp on a Huntertown can?
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Posted: 8/28/2018 12:02:58 PM EDT
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I feel like there's a joke in there somewhere that I'm missing... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I need one of these for my rifle that exclusively uses the Vortex/Hornady Bullet-Cam rounds. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:13:30 PM EDT
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i just got the email too about this can
got to say i'm interested i love this guys brakes i have three of them and love every one customer service has been really good too i hope this is as good as he says cause hes always treated me well in this day and age of bad customer service word of mouth means everything |
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