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Posted: 12/17/2021 7:47:22 AM EDT
6 months ago I put in two Form-4s (paper - no choice) for a Transferable MG and suppressor. Still nothing!
Anyone know if they will try to close out the back-log of jailed paper Form-4s ahead of the line or will we go to the back with all resources focusing on e-file? |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 7:54:34 AM EDT
The E-Forms will be faster, and everyone will be super butt hurt about it.
Remember when the paper form 4-s through SS could be "fast tracked," I think it was as an individual or maybe a 1 RP trust.....and everyone got super mad and the ATF said, well you guys can all wait the 10 months, even though we could have done a bunch of these in 2. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2021 7:58:12 AM EDT
and atf said don't cancel your current pending form 4s and try to resubmit as eform 4s or it will tie them up longer.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2021 8:27:38 AM EDT
I have 3 cans still pending from February/March 2021 I believe.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 8:36:22 AM EDT
I have one at six months and two I bought in September for the SiCo lower offer...I expect EVERY (2-3 SBRs and a few more cans) EForm1 and 4 I submit in the next few weeks to be approved before the three above are completed. Maybe this time next year, all of the paper forms will be completed. ...I believe we asked for this (EForms), so we should be happy with a little more of a delay???
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KY, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2021 8:46:02 AM EDT
ATF cashed my Silencer Shop "Check" on July 30, 2021 for a DeadAir Mask.
Trust submitted July 14. 
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PA, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2021 8:54:09 AM EDT
We'll know pretty soon but I'm guessing the people who get their eform 4's in very early will likely be getting them back very fast, possibly as short as a week or two. Supposedly eforms and paper forms has dedicated staff for each, so if you're one of the first to submit electronically it could be on an examiner's desk almost immediately.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 9:03:35 AM EDT
Are e forms work from home friendly?
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PA, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2021 9:06:12 AM EDT
Quote History Originally Posted By BigFatDog: Are e forms work from home friendly? You mean for ATF staff? That's an interesting question. They will still be accepting physical fingerprint cards with the new system, so not 100% I would have to assume. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 12:50:00 PM EDT
I bought a .22 Ruger suppressor at the LGS in February and the check was cashed a week later. Still waiting.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:04:57 PM EDT
Quote History Originally Posted By Spleenless-Dave: I bought a .22 Ruger suppressor at the LGS in February and the check was cashed a week later. Still waiting. They no longer approve then cash the check. Now they cash the check and sit on it for a while. I hope your submission comes back soon! My longest was 13 months of agony. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 2/16/2022 9:17:58 PM EDT
I’ve had a paper F4 that’s been pending since 3/18/21
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USA
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Posted: 2/16/2022 9:25:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: hoodfu]
I was talking to my local shop's compliance guy. He said the main reason for increases in wait times aside from pre/post Biden election buying surges, is all the trusts. He said the ATF told him every time someone submits a trust, that inspector has to read every word of the trust document and it slows things way down overall. It's why the individual forms were so fast for a while, because there's no large volume of contract text they have to read. He said the ATF would really like people to stop doing these one shot trusts with only one person on them. You can easily transfer your stuff to a relative after you die with a form 5 for free.
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USA
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Posted: 2/17/2022 10:17:29 AM EDT
In theory because most people doing e-forms now, paper should get caught up....in practice expect the worst and hope for the best. This is from a guy with a paper form 4 trust pending Jan of this year...I'm keeping my fingers crossed I'll have it for Christmas :/
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Posted: 2/17/2022 10:24:16 AM EDT
I had a F4 come back right at a year last week. Probably will see a couple more stamps approved next month.
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Posted: 2/17/2022 11:10:07 AM EDT
Quote History Originally Posted By telsonman: I've had a paper F4 that's been pending since 3/18/21  Nick |
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Posted: 2/17/2022 6:59:51 PM EDT
Quote History Originally Posted By hoodfu: I was talking to my local shop's compliance guy. He said the main reason for increases in wait times aside from pre/post Biden election buying surges, is all the trusts. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hoodfu: I was talking to my local shop's compliance guy. He said the main reason for increases in wait times aside from pre/post Biden election buying surges, is all the trusts. Your LGS compliance guy has no idea what causes increased wait times. It's volume of forms. Period. Over the last ten years the majority of my F4's were trusts. Individuals and Trusts took the same amount of time for approval. He said the ATF told him every time someone submits a trust, that inspector has to read every word of the trust document and it slows things way down overall. The Examiner has a checklist of whats required in each state for a valid trust. It doesn't take but a few minutes to verify the validity of each trust. It's why the individual forms were so fast for a while, because there's no large volume of contract text they have to read. Yndividual forms had one background check. No difference than the one background check on a single member trust. Those trusts with multiple members DID experience delays because there was a greater likelihood of FBI delaying one or more members. He said the ATF would really like people to stop doing these one shot trusts with only one person on them. Oddly, ATF doesn't get to decide how people apply. I'm sure they would love it if no one applied period. Fuck what they would prefer. You can easily transfer your stuff to a relative after you die with a form 5 for free. Maybe Jesus could or Chuck Norris......but I guarantee YOU aren't going to transfer jack squat after you die.  Transfers to a beneficiary are tax free, but that's not the best reason to apply using a trust. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2022 1:39:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: IHC53]
Its been 230 days since the alphabet boys cashed my check.
Form 4 trust (non single shot) from the Silencer Shop. Called March 1st and the nice lady told me its "pending". Edit to add: I'm the only one on the trust, other than a family member I named to be beneficiary when I assume room temperature. BTW, he was just approved 3 weeks ago for his can via Silencer Co. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2022 1:48:46 PM EDT
Quote History Originally Posted By IHC53: Its been 230 days since the alphabet boys cashed my check. Form 4 trust (non single shot) from the Silencer Shop. Called March 1st and the nice lady told me its "pending". Edit to add: I'm the only one on the trust, other than a family member I named to be beneficiary when I assume room temperature. BTW, he was just approved 3 weeks ago for his can via Silencer Co. Your only 2/3’s into your wait… Is this your first stamp?
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KY, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2022 3:00:12 PM EDT
Quote History Originally Posted By Donut777donut: Your only 2/3’s into your wait… Is this your first stamp? First. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:05:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Donut777donut]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By IHC53: First. Welcome to the hobby. Just forget about it for four more months. I know that’s difficult. (Buy ammo and magazines!) You could go buy a can and eform 4 it while you wait. They might all be approved around the same time. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2022 6:07:01 PM EDT
Quote History Originally Posted By IHC53: Its been 230 days since the alphabet boys cashed my check. Form 4 trust (non single shot) from the Silencer Shop. Called March 1st and the nice lady told me its "pending". Edit to add: I'm the only one on the trust, other than a family member I named to be beneficiary when I assume room temperature. BTW, he was just approved 3 weeks ago for his can via Silencer Co. Still pending as of 18th. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/20/2022 6:16:51 PM EDT
Quote History Originally Posted By IHC53: Still pending as of 18th. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 6:31:41 PM EDT
Quote History Originally Posted By IHC53: Still pending as of 18th. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By IHC53: Originally Posted By IHC53: Its been 230 days since the alphabet boys cashed my check. Form 4 trust (non single shot) from the Silencer Shop. Called March 1st and the nice lady told me its "pending". Edit to add: I'm the only one on the trust, other than a family member I named to be beneficiary when I assume room temperature. BTW, he was just approved 3 weeks ago for his can via Silencer Co. Still pending as of 18th. I wouldn't worry about it until August man. My check was cashed mid May 2021. I don't expect anything until June. My first can was 10 months. This one will take longer. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2022 6:44:25 PM EDT
My last paper form 4 was right at 320 days. I got the can in March. Hang in there and buy another one and eform it.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2022 7:07:42 PM EDT
My check was cashed mid May. I was hoping to have it by Memorial Day. It's looking more like maybe by July 4th.
Paper form 4 trust |
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