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Posted: 12/17/2021 7:54:34 AM EDT
[#1]
The E-Forms will be faster, and everyone will be super butt hurt about it.
Remember when the paper form 4-s through SS could be "fast tracked," I think it was as an individual or maybe a 1 RP trust.....and everyone got super mad and the ATF said, well you guys can all wait the 10 months, even though we could have done a bunch of these in 2. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 7:58:12 AM EDT
[#2]
and atf said don't cancel your current pending form 4s and try to resubmit as eform 4s or it will tie them up longer.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 8:27:38 AM EDT
[#3]
I have 3 cans still pending from February/March 2021 I believe.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 8:36:22 AM EDT
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I have one at six months and two I bought in September for the SiCo lower offer...I expect EVERY (2-3 SBRs and a few more cans) EForm1 and 4 I submit in the next few weeks to be approved before the three above are completed. Maybe this time next year, all of the paper forms will be completed. ...I believe we asked for this (EForms), so we should be happy with a little more of a delay???
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Posted: 12/17/2021 8:46:02 AM EDT
[#5]
ATF cashed my Silencer Shop "Check" on July 30, 2021 for a DeadAir Mask.
Trust submitted July 14. 
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Posted: 12/17/2021 8:54:09 AM EDT
[#6]
We'll know pretty soon but I'm guessing the people who get their eform 4's in very early will likely be getting them back very fast, possibly as short as a week or two. Supposedly eforms and paper forms has dedicated staff for each, so if you're one of the first to submit electronically it could be on an examiner's desk almost immediately.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 9:03:35 AM EDT
[#7]
Are e forms work from home friendly?
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Posted: 12/17/2021 9:06:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are e forms work from home friendly? You mean for ATF staff? That's an interesting question. They will still be accepting physical fingerprint cards with the new system, so not 100% I would have to assume. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 12:50:00 PM EDT
[#9]
I bought a .22 Ruger suppressor at the LGS in February and the check was cashed a week later. Still waiting.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:04:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bought a .22 Ruger suppressor at the LGS in February and the check was cashed a week later. Still waiting. They no longer approve then cash the check. Now they cash the check and sit on it for a while. I hope your submission comes back soon! My longest was 13 months of agony. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 9:17:58 PM EDT
[#11]
I’ve had a paper F4 that’s been pending since 3/18/21
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Posted: 2/16/2022 9:25:43 PM EDT
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I was talking to my local shop's compliance guy. He said the main reason for increases in wait times aside from pre/post Biden election buying surges, is all the trusts. He said the ATF told him every time someone submits a trust, that inspector has to read every word of the trust document and it slows things way down overall. It's why the individual forms were so fast for a while, because there's no large volume of contract text they have to read. He said the ATF would really like people to stop doing these one shot trusts with only one person on them. You can easily transfer your stuff to a relative after you die with a form 5 for free.
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Posted: 2/17/2022 10:17:29 AM EDT
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In theory because most people doing e-forms now, paper should get caught up....in practice expect the worst and hope for the best. This is from a guy with a paper form 4 trust pending Jan of this year...I'm keeping my fingers crossed I'll have it for Christmas :/
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Posted: 2/17/2022 10:24:16 AM EDT
[#14]
I had a F4 come back right at a year last week. Probably will see a couple more stamps approved next month.
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Posted: 2/17/2022 11:10:07 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've had a paper F4 that's been pending since 3/18/21  Nick |
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Posted: 2/17/2022 6:59:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was talking to my local shop's compliance guy. He said the main reason for increases in wait times aside from pre/post Biden election buying surges, is all the trusts. Quote HistoryQuoted: I was talking to my local shop's compliance guy. He said the main reason for increases in wait times aside from pre/post Biden election buying surges, is all the trusts. Your LGS compliance guy has no idea what causes increased wait times. It's volume of forms. Period. Over the last ten years the majority of my F4's were trusts. Individuals and Trusts took the same amount of time for approval. He said the ATF told him every time someone submits a trust, that inspector has to read every word of the trust document and it slows things way down overall. The Examiner has a checklist of whats required in each state for a valid trust. It doesn't take but a few minutes to verify the validity of each trust. It's why the individual forms were so fast for a while, because there's no large volume of contract text they have to read. Yndividual forms had one background check. No difference than the one background check on a single member trust. Those trusts with multiple members DID experience delays because there was a greater likelihood of FBI delaying one or more members. He said the ATF would really like people to stop doing these one shot trusts with only one person on them. Oddly, ATF doesn't get to decide how people apply. I'm sure they would love it if no one applied period. Fuck what they would prefer. You can easily transfer your stuff to a relative after you die with a form 5 for free. Maybe Jesus could or Chuck Norris......but I guarantee YOU aren't going to transfer jack squat after you die.  Transfers to a beneficiary are tax free, but that's not the best reason to apply using a trust. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 1:39:07 PM EDT
[#17]
Its been 230 days since the alphabet boys cashed my check.
Form 4 trust (non single shot) from the Silencer Shop. Called March 1st and the nice lady told me its "pending". Edit to add: I'm the only one on the trust, other than a family member I named to be beneficiary when I assume room temperature. BTW, he was just approved 3 weeks ago for his can via Silencer Co. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 1:48:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its been 230 days since the alphabet boys cashed my check. Form 4 trust (non single shot) from the Silencer Shop. Called March 1st and the nice lady told me its "pending". Edit to add: I'm the only one on the trust, other than a family member I named to be beneficiary when I assume room temperature. BTW, he was just approved 3 weeks ago for his can via Silencer Co. Your only 2/3’s into your wait… Is this your first stamp?
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Posted: 3/17/2022 3:00:12 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your only 2/3’s into your wait… Is this your first stamp? First. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:05:58 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: First. Welcome to the hobby. Just forget about it for four more months. I know that’s difficult. (Buy ammo and magazines!) You could go buy a can and eform 4 it while you wait. They might all be approved around the same time. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 6:07:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its been 230 days since the alphabet boys cashed my check. Form 4 trust (non single shot) from the Silencer Shop. Called March 1st and the nice lady told me its "pending". Edit to add: I'm the only one on the trust, other than a family member I named to be beneficiary when I assume room temperature. BTW, he was just approved 3 weeks ago for his can via Silencer Co. Still pending as of 18th. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 6:16:51 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still pending as of 18th. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 6:31:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Still pending as of 18th. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Its been 230 days since the alphabet boys cashed my check. Form 4 trust (non single shot) from the Silencer Shop. Called March 1st and the nice lady told me its "pending". Edit to add: I'm the only one on the trust, other than a family member I named to be beneficiary when I assume room temperature. BTW, he was just approved 3 weeks ago for his can via Silencer Co. Still pending as of 18th. I wouldn't worry about it until August man. My check was cashed mid May 2021. I don't expect anything until June. My first can was 10 months. This one will take longer. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 6:44:25 PM EDT
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My last paper form 4 was right at 320 days. I got the can in March. Hang in there and buy another one and eform it.
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Posted: 4/20/2022 7:07:42 PM EDT
[#25]
My check was cashed mid May. I was hoping to have it by Memorial Day. It's looking more like maybe by July 4th.
Paper form 4 trust |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 7:03:21 PM EDT
[#26]
Called this past monday (7-18) and was (of course) still pending...
I guess it will be 13 months... |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:50:06 AM EDT
[#27]
Still waiting on a paper form 4.....
14 months now..... Shit.... |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 10:48:24 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still waiting on a paper form 4..... 14 months now..... Shit.... 14 1/2 months on a Form 4 trust paper transfer here. Still well under the 20 months that the last transfer took. The presently pending transfer is for a .22 silencer that I bought on a whim (and for less than $100). As I already have a .22 silencer, I'm taking the wait rather apathetically, though should probably have some level of outrage. The system should be first come, first served; regardless of filing format. The pretty girls should not get to take cuts in line. MHO, YMMV, etc. Be well. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 12:40:12 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 14 1/2 months on a Form 4 trust paper transfer here. Still well under the 20 months that the last transfer took. The presently pending transfer is for a .22 silencer that I bought on a whim (and for less than $100). As I already have a .22 silencer, I'm taking the wait rather apathetically, though should probably have some level of outrage. The system should be first come, first served; regardless of filing format. The pretty girls should not get to take cuts in line. MHO, YMMV, etc. Be well. Ya think the BATF would put a rush job on the paper before switching to the E-Forms. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 3:30:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ya think the BATF would put a rush job on the paper before switching to the E-Forms. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 14 1/2 months on a Form 4 trust paper transfer here. Still well under the 20 months that the last transfer took. The presently pending transfer is for a .22 silencer that I bought on a whim (and for less than $100). As I already have a .22 silencer, I'm taking the wait rather apathetically, though should probably have some level of outrage. The system should be first come, first served; regardless of filing format. The pretty girls should not get to take cuts in line. MHO, YMMV, etc. Be well. Ya think the BATF would put a rush job on the paper before switching to the E-Forms. What happened over in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (for patents - I've no idea about trademarks) - a government agency that is similar in that there are Examiners who review Applications for approval - was a number of years ago they internally would scan the (paper) applications which would then go to Examiners (many who work remotely and did so long before COVID-19 was invented and let loose). For the last several years, instead what the USPTO now does is allow paper filing, but at a significant surcharge over e-filed applications. I suspect that the internal scanning process was expensive and possibly was error prone. MHO, YMMV, etc. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 5:32:04 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What happened over in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (for patents - I've no idea about trademarks) - a government agency that is similar in that there are Examiners who review Applications for approval - was a number of years ago they internally would scan the (paper) applications which would then go to Examiners (many who work remotely and did so long before COVID-19 was invented and let loose). For the last several years, instead what the USPTO now does is allow paper filing, but at a significant surcharge over e-filed applications. I suspect that the internal scanning process was expensive and possibly was error prone. MHO, YMMV, etc. All I know is they charge me $200 bucks for a constitutional right, then they make me run through hoops AND wait over a year for an item that already bought and paid for. What next, poll taxes (again).? |
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Posted: 7/25/2022 10:34:29 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All I know is they charge me $200 bucks for a constitutional right, then they make me run through hoops AND wait over a year for an item that already bought and paid for. What next, poll taxes (again).? Your other options are to not buy one or risk a decade in prison for building one anyway. It's better to just buy a new NFA item every 2-3 weeks so they keep coming in on a rolling approval. It's expensive but its less painful that way. 
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Posted: 7/25/2022 2:46:18 PM EDT
[#33]
I just got a eForms/paper Form 4 batch approval, paper form was 13 months and the eForm was 2.5 months lol
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Posted: 7/25/2022 8:41:45 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just got a eForms/paper Form 4 batch approval, paper form was 13 months and the eForm was 2.5 months lol I hoping next month will be the one, of course it might be another 30 days for the stamp and paperwork to actually be mailed. LOL |
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Posted: 7/25/2022 11:41:20 PM EDT
[#35]
13 months as of yesterday and nothing..
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Posted: 7/26/2022 10:01:17 AM EDT
[#36]
Another thing that the US Patent and Trademark Office does for patent applications is that if a patent application has at least one inventor who is 65 yo or older or is terminally ill, the application will get "expedited" examination, which apparently does get an application reviewed ahead of others to some extent.
MHO, YMMV, etc. Be well. If the BATFE adopted a similar expedited examination process; with regard to silencers you'd probably hear more people saying at funerals, "At least he went quietly". |
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Posted: 7/26/2022 10:33:27 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 13 months as of yesterday and nothing.. Yeah it's a fucking joke at this point. They don't give a fuck. Our representatives don't give a fuck. Like over a year is bull shit....imagine getting transfered for work or something and having to start over. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 10:41:13 PM EDT
[#38]
364 days today. *Still* pending.
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Posted: 7/30/2022 9:51:00 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 14 1/2 months on a Form 4 trust paper transfer here. Still well under the 20 months that the last transfer took. The presently pending transfer is for a .22 silencer that I bought on a whim (and for less than $100). As I already have a .22 silencer, I'm taking the wait rather apathetically, though should probably have some level of outrage. The system should be first come, first served; regardless of filing format. The pretty girls should not get to take cuts in line. MHO, YMMV, etc. Be well. UPDATE: Got a phone message from my Dealer last night. He's been out of town for work at his day time job the last several weeks and my approved Form 4 came in during his time away. So the transfer took right around 14 months. Getting a time slot to finish the delivery to me is the next task. Our state does not permit a Dealer to mail the buyer their silencer per a ruling from our Attorney General. MHO, YMMV, etc. Be well. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 1:59:34 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: UPDATE: Got a phone message from my Dealer last night. He's been out of town for work at his day time job the last several weeks and my approved Form 4 came in during his time away. So the transfer took right around 14 months. Getting a time slot to finish the delivery to me is the next task. Our state does not permit a Dealer to mail the buyer their silencer per a ruling from our Attorney General. MHO, YMMV, etc. Be well. 14 months. What a crock. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 9:38:41 PM EDT
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I submitted 9 e-files for silencers for 9 different customers in late February '22 and not one of them has been approved. Another dealer near me submitted a lot more than I did just before and hasn't had a single approval yet either. If e-forms are their primary focus now they are failing miserably. 90 days?
 We're coming up on twice that in a few weeks as far as my e-files go.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:09:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I submitted 9 e-files for silencers for 9 different customers in late February '22 and not one of them has been approved. Another dealer near me submitted a lot more than I did just before and hasn't had a single approval yet either. If e-forms are their primary focus now they are failing miserably. 90 days? We're coming up on twice that in a few weeks as far as my e-files go.Nick |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:30:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I picked up my paper filed can a couple of months ago, the dealer there told me that they are seeing <90 days on form 4's and a couple of weeks on form 1's (eFile). Nick Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I submitted 9 e-files for silencers for 9 different customers in late February '22 and not one of them has been approved. Another dealer near me submitted a lot more than I did just before and hasn't had a single approval yet either. If e-forms are their primary focus now they are failing miserably. 90 days? We're coming up on twice that in a few weeks as far as my e-files go.Nick “The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.” ? L.P. Hartley, The Go-Between |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:49:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I picked up my paper filed can a couple of months ago, the dealer there told me that they are seeing <90 days on form 4's and a couple of weeks on form 1's (eFile). Nick I wouldn't trust that dealer to tell you what time of day it was. While the earliest eForm 4's were taking close to 90 days, that ended pretty damn quick. An FFL/SOT doesn't file eForm 1's either. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:06:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't trust that dealer to tell you what time of day it was. While the earliest eForm 4's were taking close to 90 days, that ended pretty damn quick. An FFL/SOT doesn't file eForm 1's either. Nick |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 1:20:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I picked up my paper filed can a couple of months ago, the dealer there told me that they are seeing <90 days on form 4's and a couple of weeks on form 1's (eFile). Nick Probably very early submissions. |
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Posted: 10/31/2022 10:55:05 AM EDT
[#47]
I'm waiting on two paper form 4's now. 15 months and 7 months.
The first is for a can from Silencer Shop (check cashed July 2021) and the second is for a RR M16 (check cashed March 2022). I'm hoping they group them for approval and am considering buying another can using e-forms to "help" it along
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Posted: 10/31/2022 12:17:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm waiting on two paper form 4's now. 15 months and 7 months. The first is for a can from Silencer Shop (check cashed July 2021) and the second is for a RR M16 (check cashed March 2022). I'm hoping they group them for approval and am considering buying another can using e-forms to "help" it along Good luck, maybe 8 more cans? |
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Posted: 10/31/2022 10:32:00 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm waiting on two paper form 4's now. 15 months and 7 months. The first is for a can from Silencer Shop (check cashed July 2021) and the second is for a RR M16 (check cashed March 2022). I'm hoping they group them for approval and am considering buying another can using e-forms to "help" it along Get your rep involved. Most of the form 4 papers getting approved are from November and even some from December. I check all the time, I have a 1/24 m16 pending. |
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Posted: 11/2/2022 9:05:52 AM EDT
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Just out of curiosity, why are eform1s so much faster than eform4s? Anyone know?
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