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Posted: 3/15/2019 11:28:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HansohnBrothers]
Link Posted: 3/15/2019 11:37:41 AM EDT
[#1]
Do wipes have any effect on supersonic rounds?
Link Posted: 3/15/2019 11:44:26 AM EDT
[#2]
Thanks HansohnBrothers! Great wipe info compilation.

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Originally Posted By th_baba_yaga:
Do wipes have any effect on supersonic rounds?
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In my experience it's been the other way around, and the supersonic rounds have an effect on the wipes. The wipes used in the old AWC HP-9 and the KAC Snap-On would degrade faster with supersonic 9mm.

SilentMike
Link Posted: 3/15/2019 11:59:21 AM EDT
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That’s very helpful
Link Posted: 3/15/2019 12:16:34 PM EDT
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I love you (no homo)
Link Posted: 3/15/2019 1:12:11 PM EDT
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May not be a bad idea to tack this thread for future so it doesn't get archived
Link Posted: 3/15/2019 1:15:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Atlmike:
Thanks HansohnBrothers! Great wipe info compilation.

In my experience it's been the other way around, and the supersonic rounds have an effect on the wipes. The wipes used in the old AWC HP-9 and the KAC Snap-On would degrade faster with supersonic 9mm.

SilentMike
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So supersonic rounds will wear out a wipe quicker than subsonic rounds. Will the wipe have a noticeable sound reduction on supersonic rounds?
Link Posted: 3/15/2019 1:34:18 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/15/2019 3:23:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Engineer] [#8]
Originally Posted By HansohnBrothers:
Since there seem to be a lot of questions regarding wipes, the below is a list of wiped silencers, material used with durometer rating* and dimensions.  If there are any models missing or erroneous data, please contact me and I'll update the list.

AAC M9-QD


Dead Air Ghost
60A Neoprene McMaster Carr Part Number: 6"x6" - 1370N15
1.20" x 1/8", 1/4" center McMaster Carr Part Number: 30mm (1.18") Hammer Driven Hole Punch - 3418A3

DeGroat Nano
80A Polyurethane McMaster Carr Part Number: 6"x6", 1/8" - 8716K24 6"x6", 1/4" - 8716K27
11/16" x 1/8" or 1/4", 3/16" center (optional) McMaster Carr Part Number: 11/16" Hammer Driven Hole Punch - 3427A18

Energetic Vox (S and K)
70A Fabric Reinforced Silicon McMaster Carr Part Number: 2"x36" - 3635K17
1-1/8" x 1/8" McMaster Carr Punch Part Number: 1-1/8" Hammer Driven Hole Punch - 3427A26

Gemtech Aurora and Aurora 2
65A Urethane
1" x 1/8" McMaster Carr Part Number: 1" Hammer Driven Hole Punch - 3427A24

Knights XM-9
70A Urethane
1" x 1/8"

Thompson Machine Poseidon
50A Neoprene
15/16" x 1/8" (.45) McMaster Carr Part Number: 6"x6", 1/8" - 1370N15
15/16" x 1/4" (9mm) McMaster Carr Part Number: 6"x6", 1/4" - 1370N17
McMaster Carr Part Number: 15/16" Hammer Driven Hole Punch - 3427A23

Thompson Machine Wasp
50A Neoprene McMaster Carr Part Number: 6"x6", 1/8" - 1370N15
5/8" x 1/8" McMaster Carr Part Number: 5/8" Hammer Drive Hole Punch - 3427A17

*Durometer is used as a measure of hardness in polymers, elastomers and rubbers.
Link Posted: 3/15/2019 4:22:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Atlmike] [#9]
There were no wipes in the AAC M9-SD.

The wipes in the KAC XM9 were 1/8" thick x 1" diameter, 70 Durometer Urethane. 8 were used per stack, grouped as 3,3, and 2. Very easily made with a sheet of the material, and a gasket punch.

SilentMike
Link Posted: 3/15/2019 4:41:49 PM EDT
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Awesome information. Needs to be stickied somewhere or at least set to not archive.
Link Posted: 3/15/2019 4:49:16 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/15/2019 7:34:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Burnit53] [#12]
The punches are WAY cheaper on Amazon.  This will take you to a page where you can select from a variety of sizes too.

The one linked above is will be over $80 with shipping.

Amazon Product
  • The General Tools and Instruments 1271N Arch Punch is the ideal punch tool for punching a 1-1/8 inch hole
  • The punch works on leather, rubber, canvas, plastic, sheet metal, gasket material, cardboard and softer metals
  • The internal punch features an inside taper for clearance

Link Posted: 3/15/2019 7:37:03 PM EDT
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Since this is a wipe thread..

I was reading here a while back that wipes were a "only have one on ya" kinda deal, as they were considered a baffle.

Did I misread that?
Link Posted: 3/15/2019 9:24:36 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/15/2019 10:04:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Outrider:
Awesome information. Needs to be stickied somewhere or at least set to not archive.
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Mods please tack this, or at least prevent it from being archived.
Link Posted: 3/15/2019 11:54:38 PM EDT
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Agree - very useful thread.

Pro:  wipes reduce sound signature over non - wipe cans

Cons:  accuracy may be adversely affected

- greater blow-back in semi auto firearms

- very limited service life.

My general impression is: wipe cans are best left to pistol calipers:
Link Posted: 3/16/2019 8:18:56 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/16/2019 10:16:38 AM EDT
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Why the difference in hardness (durometer).  Considering they all perform the same function should not the hardness be the same for the best benefit?
Link Posted: 3/16/2019 5:14:56 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/16/2019 7:11:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Burnit53:
The punches are WAY cheaper on Amazon.  This will take you to a page where you can select from a variety of sizes too.

The one linked above is will be over $80 with shipping.

www.amazon.com/dp/B000TZUTV6
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I shoulda bought one yesterday.  Apparently the interest from you jerks has driven it up $3..
Link Posted: 3/16/2019 8:05:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Burnit53] [#21]
McMaster Carr sells 5-10 count packs of rubber washers that come in sizes that are almost perfect for a few of the listed silencers above.

Washer

"No Mr. ATF man, these aren't extra wipes.  Just a pack of commercially available rubber washers that don't quite fit perfectly in my Ghost."
Link Posted: 3/17/2019 12:40:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Done.

I don’t think y’all can see the icon, but this one is now set to not archive like the deals thread. If there’s no activity, you’ll find it on the last page of this subforum along with a half-dozen or so other threads that have drifted back there.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/126679/06F0C589-EB60-444C-A37B-3D5EB94C41E4-879264.jpg
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By Plumber576:

Mods please tack this, or at least prevent it from being archived.
Done.

I don’t think y’all can see the icon, but this one is now set to not archive like the deals thread. If there’s no activity, you’ll find it on the last page of this subforum along with a half-dozen or so other threads that have drifted back there.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/126679/06F0C589-EB60-444C-A37B-3D5EB94C41E4-879264.jpg
Awesome, thank you.
Link Posted: 3/17/2019 9:37:54 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/17/2019 10:53:28 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/30/2019 2:14:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Atlmike:
Thanks HansohnBrothers! Great wipe info compilation.

In my experience it's been the other way around, and the supersonic rounds have an effect on the wipes. The wipes used in the old AWC HP-9 and the KAC Snap-On would degrade faster with supersonic 9mm.

SilentMike
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You reminded me that I have an AWC HP-9!  It's in my Browning Hi Power case and has direct thread on, needs no LID or other device and works semi-auto all the time, I suppose because it's so light?  I showed it to an ATF field agent a little while ago after wipes were declared parts and he said "If it came with a wipe or a set of wipes and there is a wipe or a set of wipes in it then it's OK, but if you have a coffee can of round rubber disks that you made to fit the suppressor then you could get in serious in trouble".  He also said that very few agents will ever want to handle your can or machine gun, they prefer that you just show them the serial numbers during inspections because they don't want to ever be accused of scratching or dinging up your finish.  I asked the guy if he ever looks inside suppressors for any reason and he said  "No, we don't". He seemed interested n my collection, especially the smaller .22 cans and asked a general question or two about how they work so I took apart a small baffle stack can and a Sparrow monocore can.  He was fairly surprised at how simple they really looked inside and thought he might have to get one someday.  I didn't get arrested for anything and he left...
Link Posted: 4/30/2019 7:34:50 PM EDT
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does anyone have the McMaster Carr links for the neoprene sheets id need for Deadair Wolfman wipes? Im having a hard time finding it. Also, do i need a 1/8 inch punch?

thank you
Link Posted: 4/30/2019 9:30:49 PM EDT
[#27]
Pro tip: Use the end grain of a wood block as your anvil rather than the side grain for a cleaner punch. A block of soft plastic like HDPE or similar works well too.

Next time we are running a batch of wipes I will try to remember to post a pic of our wipe punching machine. Full semi-auto production of freedom disks!  
Link Posted: 5/1/2019 8:01:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By kedminster:
Pro tip: Use the end grain of a wood block as your anvil rather than the side grain for a cleaner punch. A block of soft plastic like HDPE or similar works well too.

Next time we are running a batch of wipes I will try to remember to post a pic of our wipe punching machine. Full semi-auto production of freedom disks!  
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Sounds like a cutting board would make a good "anvil"
Link Posted: 5/2/2019 12:19:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By kedminster:Pro tip: Use the end grain of a wood block as your anvil rather than the side grain
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Yup.
I make my own punches, from round bar w/ a small diameter tube welded in the center.
Sandwich the cutter, the material, and a 1" Thk piece of 6x6, all in the vise and tighten down.
Out pops a rubber washer

My lil guy loves making them. Actually, he loves making the hole in the rubber sheet and could care less about the final product. For now
Link Posted: 5/20/2019 2:52:47 PM EDT
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Anyone know the dimensions of the wipe that can fit in the Griffin stealth flash hider endcaps? Hansohn, i see u have em in stock. Ill have to grab some next time i pick up a can.
Link Posted: 5/20/2019 6:56:44 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/16/2019 6:33:42 PM EDT
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Does anybody know of a source for 65A for a Aurora II? will 60A work? Also do I need to have the X cutout? I bought this thing on a whim and it just got approved.
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 12:53:32 AM EDT
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Does anyone use a punch to punch out the center hole for their wipes? Or just let the bullet make the initial hole?
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 9:40:31 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/13/2019 9:42:16 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/13/2019 11:14:55 AM EDT
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Subscribed
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 12:16:05 PM EDT
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I'm a little confused about which Amazon punch I need for the Ghost.  Can someone help?

Also this thread isn't going to turn into Wish.com 2.0, right?
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 12:22:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ThisWildAdventure:
I'm a little confused about which Amazon punch I need for the Ghost.  Can someone help?

Also this thread isn't going to turn into Wish.com 2.0, right?
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I bought this one for my Ghost.  Cuts is a tad bit smaller than the original wipe that came with the Ghost but it still fits the wipe holder nicely.

Punch
Link Posted: 8/13/2019 12:42:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: voodochild] [#39]
Check the Wolfman thread I posted a picture of the"wipe" that came with mine and a link to where you can get more in bulk.



Danco Flat Faucet Washer 1 " Od. Rubber Trade Size 3/4 " Flat Polybag
Link Posted: 8/14/2019 8:19:53 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/16/2019 6:26:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CTM1] [#41]
Last weekend I tried to cut replacement wipes for my AWC HP-9 can. There are (4 ) 1"D 1/4" thick wipes in this can. The can has never been fired but original wipes were in really poor condition, they were dried out and fragile so I tossed them.

Trying to hammer through the 1/4" material was surprisingly difficult. After that I tried to cut an "X" in the center of one wipe with a razor and it did not turn out well. After that I got out a really sharp 1/4" chisel and tried to center it but two wipes in a row split almost in half and had to be tossed. It took some time but I finally managed to get four cut but the "X's" were not perfectly centered. Maybe working with 1/8" material and doing eight wipes is the answer.

Now something KAC did a while back on one of their limited run 45 cans got me thinking. This particular can incorporated one or two wipes in a special end cap and each wipe had a small hole in the center of it. My question is will a hole diminish the effectiveness of the wipes in a can that was not originally designed to have such holes in the wipes or simply "X's"?

Here is pic of the KAC wipes from their limited run 45 can.

Attachment Attached File


This whole process makes me wonder if someone could make a special punch that incorporates an "X" into the center so you could accomplish both tasks at the same time, or would a stand alone punch that only cuts the "X" be easier to make.
Link Posted: 1/20/2020 10:14:43 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HansohnBrothers:
I use a 30mm punch to size these.

Wish was selling machine guns so nah, this ain't that.
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Possibly a stupid question, but what is the best way to center these when punching? Just eye up and a dowl of some sort through the ID opening?
Link Posted: 1/20/2020 11:19:16 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/20/2020 11:34:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HansohnBrothers:
I just eye-ball it.
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Originally Posted By HansohnBrothers:
Originally Posted By Default-Gateway:

Possibly a stupid question, but what is the best way to center these when punching? Just eye up and a dowl of some sort through the ID opening?
I just eye-ball it.
Gotcha.  Thanks
Link Posted: 1/24/2020 7:04:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Default-Gateway] [#45]
If a guy was really into it and needed a size that was not common to the plumbing washer market something like this would come in handy.  They sure would be some concentric circles.

I'd imagine that'd be something a fella could do if he was so inclined.

Amazon Product
  • Hollow punch is used to create precise gaskets and washers in softer materials; e.g. cloth, vinyl, leather, light sheet metaland gasket material
  • Includes an array of sizes for numerous ID and OD configurations
  • Dual cutting heads allow the user to punch concentric circles in one strike

Link Posted: 1/24/2020 7:22:45 PM EDT
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Not up-to-date on the law regarding these wipers.  Is it illegal to sale these or have a bunch laying around?

If legal you can get laser cut custom sizes fairly cheap.  And just about any durometer and compound.
Link Posted: 1/24/2020 10:42:49 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/25/2020 1:22:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HansohnBrothers:
Yes, ATF says illegal to sell wipes but you can make your own replacements.
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Originally Posted By HansohnBrothers:
Originally Posted By vatopa:
Not up-to-date on the law regarding these wipers.  Is it illegal to sale these or have a bunch laying around?

If legal you can get laser cut custom sizes fairly cheap.  And just about any durometer and compound.
Yes, ATF says illegal to sell wipes but you can make your own replacements.
Yes, another one of the alphabet agencies "decisions" that passed through no law making body.  Just venting.
Link Posted: 1/25/2020 10:06:51 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/25/2020 10:58:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Default-Gateway:

Yes, another one of the alphabet agencies "decisions" that passed through no law making body.
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No, it's a poorly drafted law.  FOPA'86 had a provision that classified suppressor components as suppressors.  No provision was made for consumable components like wipes.  ATF is just trying to make sense of laws written by people who have no idea what they are legislating about.
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