Wife's 1911A1 came in

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Posted: 3/31/2022 3:57:32 PM EDT

She put in for a cmp gun last year and finally got thr call 2 weeks back. Rack and field available. This is what showed up.

Looks like a 1943 rr frame. I haven't dated the slide yet. Interesting rack number stamped in the slide.

Posted: 3/31/2022 4:01:43 PM EDT

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Posted: 3/31/2022 4:04:35 PM EDT

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That's awesome, I thought they were doing their terrible repark on all these?

is that slide A1?

Posted: 3/31/2022 4:20:34 PM EDT

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is that slide A1?

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Round 1 was thr heavy parked ones. Round 2 seems to be more original finish.

Honestly it's a neat gun but she really wanted a true 1911. Not an a1.

Posted: 3/31/2022 4:21:12 PM EDT

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Posted: 3/31/2022 5:04:12 PM EDT

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Round 1 was thr heavy parked ones. Round 2 seems to be more original finish.

Honestly it's a neat gun but she really wanted a true 1911. Not an a1.

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That's awesome, I thought they were doing their terrible repark on all these?

is that slide A1?

Round 1 was thr heavy parked ones. Round 2 seems to be more original finish.

Honestly it's a neat gun but she really wanted a true 1911. Not an a1.

If she wants to shoot it, she would rather have an A1 over a correct 1911.

It's a nice honest mutt, pretty much what I carried at every duty station I was at except that has way more finish. The one I had in Germany was basically bare steel, I however got better parts during the group dunk barrel cleaning sessions.

Posted: 3/31/2022 5:58:59 PM EDT

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Round 1 was thr heavy parked ones. Round 2 seems to be more original finish.

Honestly it's a neat gun but she really wanted a true 1911. Not an a1.

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My Round 1 was an original finish Colt lower with a 70s replacement slide.

Apparently with no rebuild marks.

Fantastic shooter and I love it dearly.

Posted: 3/31/2022 6:09:53 PM EDT

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If she wants to shoot it, she would rather have an A1 over a correct 1911.

It's a nice honest mutt, pretty much what I carried at every duty station I was at except that has way more finish. The one I had in Germany was basically bare steel, I however got better parts during the group dunk barrel cleaning sessions.

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She wanted one for the historical value more than anything.

Posted: 3/31/2022 6:10:47 PM EDT

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My Round 1 was an original finish Colt lower with a 70s replacement slide.

Apparently with no rebuild marks.

Fantastic shooter and I love it dearly.

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Round 1 was thr heavy parked ones. Round 2 seems to be more original finish.

Honestly it's a neat gun but she really wanted a true 1911. Not an a1.

My Round 1 was an original finish Colt lower with a 70s replacement slide.

Apparently with no rebuild marks.

Fantastic shooter and I love it dearly.

I had 2 friends who got first round a1s and they were very heavily parked.

Posted: 3/31/2022 10:26:05 PM EDT

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An original 1911 would have gone to auction. A truly original coming into CMP would have been almost unheard of. These came from Army stores. An original 1911 surviving unaltered for a hundred years isn’t going to happen.

I got mine in the first circuit. RR frame, post war slide, HS barrel. All reparked by the Army. I like it.

Posted: 3/31/2022 11:09:14 PM EDT

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An original 1911 would have gone to auction. A truly original coming into CMP would have been almost unheard of. These came from Army stores. An original 1911 surviving unaltered for a hundred years isn’t going to happen.

I got mine in the first circuit. RR frame, post war slide, HS barrel. All reparked by the Army. I like it.

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Lots of guys have received 1911 frames.

Posted: 4/1/2022 6:16:25 PM EDT

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From the cmp forum

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Wifes came in. Thank you

RR 1414259

You're welcome. It left the factory in February 1944. Very likely a Navy gun based on SRS:

1414023 USN - NORFOLK VA 03/24/44
1414043 USN - GUAM 07/23/44
1414734 USN - PACIFIC OCEAN 09/21/44
1415777 USN - CHARLESTON 04/01/44

Posted: 4/1/2022 8:40:44 PM EDT

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Congrats! Very cool!
Never saw a unit marking like that before, a real coup to find. Likely never see one again.

Posted: 4/21/2022 5:50:58 PM EDT

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Foia came back. I am not seeing anything crazy.

1. 21 July 2010 - Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization Program (LMP)
Stock Records), Anniston, Alabama received the weapon.

2. 06 March 2011, 03 December 2011, 19 January 2013, 07 March 2015, 01 May
2016, 05 March 2017, 04 June 2017, 31 March 2019, and 26 April 2020 - Army
General Supply (Logistics Modernization Program (LMP) Stock Records),
Anniston, Alabama performed reconciliations on the weapon.

3. 29 October 2020 - Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization
Program (LMP) Stock Records), Anniston, Alabama shipped the weapon to
Headquarters (HQ) United States Army Tank Automotive and Armaments
Command (TACOM), Anniston, Alabama.

4. 11 January 2021 - Headquarters (HQ) United States Army Tank Automotive and
Armaments Command (TACOM), Anniston, Alabama received the weapon from
Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization Program (LMP) Stock Records),
Anniston, Alabama.

5. 11 January 2021 - Headquarters (HQ) United States Army Tank Automotive and
Armaments Command (TACOM), Anniston, Alabama shipped the weapon
outside the Department of Defense (DoD).

Posted: 4/22/2022 3:16:39 PM EDT

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Foia came back. I am not seeing anything crazy.

1. 21 July 2010 - Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization Program (LMP)
Stock Records), Anniston, Alabama received the weapon.

2. 06 March 2011, 03 December 2011, 19 January 2013, 07 March 2015, 01 May
2016, 05 March 2017, 04 June 2017, 31 March 2019, and 26 April 2020 - Army
General Supply (Logistics Modernization Program (LMP) Stock Records),
Anniston, Alabama performed reconciliations on the weapon.

3. 29 October 2020 - Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization
Program (LMP) Stock Records), Anniston, Alabama shipped the weapon to
Headquarters (HQ) United States Army Tank Automotive and Armaments
Command (TACOM), Anniston, Alabama.

4. 11 January 2021 - Headquarters (HQ) United States Army Tank Automotive and
Armaments Command (TACOM), Anniston, Alabama received the weapon from
Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization Program (LMP) Stock Records),
Anniston, Alabama.

5. 11 January 2021 - Headquarters (HQ) United States Army Tank Automotive and
Armaments Command (TACOM), Anniston, Alabama shipped the weapon
outside the Department of Defense (DoD).

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Did you try Navy FOIA? This pistol don't have any Army digitalized record prior to 2010 sending to ANAD. So it will be worth trying Navy or other branches.

Posted: 4/22/2022 3:35:34 PM EDT

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Did you try Navy FOIA? This pistol don't have any Army digitalized record prior to 2010 sending to ANAD. So it will be worth trying Navy or other branches.

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Foia came back. I am not seeing anything crazy.

1. 21 July 2010 - Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization Program (LMP)
Stock Records), Anniston, Alabama received the weapon.

2. 06 March 2011, 03 December 2011, 19 January 2013, 07 March 2015, 01 May
2016, 05 March 2017, 04 June 2017, 31 March 2019, and 26 April 2020 - Army
General Supply (Logistics Modernization Program (LMP) Stock Records),
Anniston, Alabama performed reconciliations on the weapon.

3. 29 October 2020 - Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization
Program (LMP) Stock Records), Anniston, Alabama shipped the weapon to
Headquarters (HQ) United States Army Tank Automotive and Armaments
Command (TACOM), Anniston, Alabama.

4. 11 January 2021 - Headquarters (HQ) United States Army Tank Automotive and
Armaments Command (TACOM), Anniston, Alabama received the weapon from
Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization Program (LMP) Stock Records),
Anniston, Alabama.

5. 11 January 2021 - Headquarters (HQ) United States Army Tank Automotive and
Armaments Command (TACOM), Anniston, Alabama shipped the weapon
outside the Department of Defense (DoD).

Did you try Navy FOIA? This pistol don't have any Army digitalized record prior to 2010 sending to ANAD. So it will be worth trying Navy or other branches.

I did also submit a foia to the navy. No word back from them yet.

Posted: 5/23/2022 11:48:21 AM EDT

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Navy foia came back. Can anyone decipher it?

Posted: 5/23/2022 11:21:07 PM EDT

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Navy foia came back. Can anyone decipher it?

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/136887/Screenshot_20220523-074410_Drive-2394154.jpg

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Know anyone currently in the Navy? Would be easy enough to look up those UICs to get the exact unit it was assigned to.

Posted: 5/24/2022 9:17:06 AM EDT

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Know anyone currently in the Navy? Would be easy enough to look up those UICs to get the exact unit it was assigned to.

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Navy foia came back. Can anyone decipher it?

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/136887/Screenshot_20220523-074410_Drive-2394154.jpg

Know anyone currently in the Navy? Would be easy enough to look up those UICs to get the exact unit it was assigned to.

I don't

Posted: 8/22/2022 10:54:15 PM EDT

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UIC's that start with W are Army and of course the UIC with starting with the N is Navy.

Posted: 8/24/2022 10:56:34 AM EDT

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I really wish mine didnt come with a replacement slide

. I went with a Field grade but probably should have went Rack

Posted: 8/24/2022 12:32:18 PM EDT

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Best part is you can easily swap a slide out.

Posted: 8/24/2022 12:36:37 PM EDT

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Yeah, just trying to find one that fits the finish pattern and for a decent price. Not in a hurry

Posted: 8/24/2022 12:39:55 PM EDT

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I get it. Cmp forum is a great resource for that.

Posted: 8/27/2022 11:09:26 PM EDT

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Navy foia came back. Can anyone decipher it?

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Looks like they logged it from where it once was (that's what we need to know, perhaps surplus storage since the War) to those that log them in July 1975 when it was only 31 years old. They had it a few decades then CMP got it, then Frau Max.

Its the chain of ownership from 1945 to 1975 would like to see, prolly just who we think it was, but where would be nice.

Posted: 8/27/2022 11:26:51 PM EDT

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like it.

Posted: 8/27/2022 11:32:38 PM EDT

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That is one of the coolest Unit or Stores markings have ever seen.

Post-Production stamps/engraving shall not be taken for granted, significance not discounted until known...

Take John Holbrook's US NAVY No. 823 from the first shipment of 500 to Brooklyn Navy Yard for example

Three innocent little letters were added post production: D E L

assigned to USS Delaware, BB 28, one of the last Dreadnaught Battleships ever built. Considering her short service window of 1909-1923, this pistol was stamped between those years.

USS Arizona was BB 39, commissioned in 1915, clearly they steamed together. John has a pistol from 5 Battleships of this era, including USS Arizona.

USS Delaware
Construction: 11 November, 1907
Launched: 6 February, 1909
Decommissioned: 10 November, 1923

Clearly DEL is obvious for a US NAVY pistol, but J 3 2 2 is very cool and could turn out to be anything from simple to (in the absurd) an OSS sidearm to set aside for unusual specific reasons. You never know 'til you know, ya know?

Posted: 8/29/2022 3:04:48 PM EDT

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Round 1 was thr heavy parked ones. Round 2 seems to be more original finish.

Honestly it's a neat gun but she really wanted a true 1911. Not an a1.

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That's awesome, I thought they were doing their terrible repark on all these?

is that slide A1?

Round 1 was thr heavy parked ones. Round 2 seems to be more original finish.

Honestly it's a neat gun but she really wanted a true 1911. Not an a1.

@TOTHEMAX

See above post D-dude. Obviously slide was stamped, not electro-pencil or engraved, someone had a set of dies A-Z and 1-0 providing 36 choices for marking

Further, unless my eyes are cheated by some spell (and digital obscurity), it was stamped before refinish...

This changes things and origin, stamp not 20th Century unless modern refinish... and it isn't. Any better pics of weapon details and J 3 3 2? Hell, should see it in person too at some point.

Histwhorical Value is there, if Mrs. Max wants a pre-1919 pistol, you have some excellent choices in the Black Army era as the newer they are, the cheaper they cost, finish condition and parts matching aside... can help you look if you lemme know the era, production window and such.

Have been looking for a prime 1919 near EOP (End Of Production) for a long time, cant find close enough to 630000 from April 1919 -