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Posted: 10/2/2018 9:41:36 AM EDT
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In because I want a Reising for my USMC portrayal.
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Posted: 10/2/2018 1:36:27 PM EDT
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They're both single feed position mags, but the GG is double column while the Reising is (more commonly, with the lower capacity for improved reliability) single column. There would be modifications needed to the magwell/insert, receiver, and most likely a new bolt and spring setup to work with the GG mags due to the additional pressure from the mag spring itself. The Reising bolt is kind of an oddball type, too, with a sort of striker/hammer hybrid, so it's not the most familiar thing in the world to work on.
Combine all of that with the low appeal, and at this point it's not really worth the trouble. Eventually, it may well be worth repurposing the receivers entirely (if allowed by the ATF, one never knows...) to work with different mags/ammo/parts. Just my $0.02. |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 2:19:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
They're both single feed position mags, but the GG is double column while the Reising is (more commonly, with the lower capacity for improved reliability) single column. There would be modifications needed to the magwell/insert, receiver, and most likely a new bolt and spring setup to work with the GG mags due to the additional pressure from the mag spring itself. The Reising bolt is kind of an oddball type, too, with a sort of striker/hammer hybrid, so it's not the most familiar thing in the world to work on. Combine all of that with the low appeal, and at this point it's not really worth the trouble. Eventually, it may well be worth repurposing the receivers entirely (if allowed by the ATF, one never knows...) to work with different mags/ammo/parts. Just my $0.02. |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 2:28:44 PM EDT
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This is what got the wheels turning. Making the attachment plate and welding the 2 pieces together will be cake.
https://www.ftfindustries.com/product/ET-WPM1045MW.html |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 2:36:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You have never owned or taken apart a Reising, have you? |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 2:39:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
This is what got the wheels turning. Making the attachment plate and welding the 2 pieces together will be cake. https://www.ftfindustries.com/product/ET-WPM1045MW.html |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 2:41:42 PM EDT
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They are both single feed, double stack magazines. I cant imagine why the bolt would strip a round from one and not the other?
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Posted: 10/2/2018 2:47:20 PM EDT
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Combine this with a VegasSMG Tungsten op-rod and bolt assembly and the price on then would jump 1-2k.
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Posted: 10/2/2018 2:54:54 PM EDT
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Combine this with a VegasSMG Tungsten op-rod and bolt assembly and the price on then would jump 1-2k. |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 3:02:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A Tungston Reising OP-Rod would be awesome, but I coudln't imagine actually making/milling cost to produce one! I brought up the idea of having someone 3D print the bolt out of steel and make it hollow then pour in lead. Left field idea but could work. |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 3:25:15 PM EDT
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They are both single feed, double stack magazines. I cant imagine why the bolt would strip a round from one and not the other? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/12678/reisingmag-690560.jpg Newer guns are more forgiving, and going with an older, low bolt mass closed bolt SMG design and making it work with a mag from an older high bolt mass open bolt SMG... well, it may take some doing. It's not just a question of getting things to physically fit. |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 3:27:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On UZItalk Vegas was talking about having a hard time getting tungsten due to the trade restrictions currently with china. I brought up the idea of having someone 3D print the bolt out of steel and make it hollow then pour in lead. Left field idea but could work. 
As far as having issues sourcing tungsten, there are a few recycling companies in the USA which can provide bar stock as needed. |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 3:32:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Different internal geometry to the magazines, different spring rates, different total force in terms of the holding power on the top round inside the feed lips, different feed lip angles, different bolt mass, different bolt speed... there are a lot of factors, and it's a common issue to run into when playing around with various systems, especially when considering two older designs. Newer guns are more forgiving, and going with an older, low bolt mass closed bolt SMG design and making it work with a mag from an older high bolt mass open bolt SMG... well, it may take some doing. It's not just a question of getting things to physically fit. |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 3:32:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your lead idea, while "redneck", would work just fine to increase bolt mass compared to a steel bolt. Just make sure to have enough good steel on the front of the bolt, since lead isn't going to provide much strength!
As far as having issues sourcing tungsten, there are a few recycling companies in the USA which can provide bar stock as needed. |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 4:01:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It will feed. I should have been clearer, my initial question wasn't looking for hypothetical scenarios. I was wanting to know if anyone knew of anyone else who made this attempt already.
Just offering my input as to why it hasn't been done, feel free to ignore my thoughts. As I mentioned, it's been ten or so years since I messed with a Reising. |
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Posted: 10/3/2018 1:28:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It will feed. I should have been clearer, my initial question wasn't looking for hypothetical scenarios. I was wanting to know if anyone knew of anyone else who made this attempt already. |
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Posted: 10/3/2018 5:58:44 AM EDT
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The mag has to fit through the action bar.
If you make the action bar thinner it will most likely break, it's a weak point as it is. If you make the action bar wider, then it won't fit in the stock. After you solve that issue, then you can start worrying about feed angle, etc. |
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Posted: 10/3/2018 6:15:20 AM EDT
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The mag has to fit through the action bar. Also, I played around with adding weight to the action bar. I got it down to where it would still run, and was noticeably slower. I’ve got an action bar with a block of steel of appropriate weight welded to it around here somewhere. Just need to figure out a stock for it. But I could still not get it slow enough to pull singles before it would start to choke. 12.75 oz appears to be the most weight I can add without inducing failures.  Reising rate-of-fire adjustments |
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Posted: 10/3/2018 1:30:05 PM EDT
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would using a Reising mag as a drum tower provide a lower more constant amount of spring pressure on rounds?
Because I know a GG mag can get pretty insane regarding spring pressure. My friends all comment on my super human strength when loading regular pistol mags, they often struggle without a loader, but even I can't get to 10 rounds in a GG mag without a loader. and if you can get a 45 drum figured out, it would have more applications such as MAC10s. |
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Posted: 10/3/2018 7:52:46 PM EDT
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What about the 1911 drums?
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Posted: 10/3/2018 8:56:00 PM EDT
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BarrelXchange made some drums using a Soumi and a doner mag for a tower. They were made for Reising, Mac-10, and maybe one other.
Cost was a few hundred dollars plus the buyer provided the doner mag. Capacity was around 42, if I recall correctly. For the price and capacity, I figured I would get by with 30-round Christie mags. |
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Posted: 10/5/2018 10:07:45 PM EDT
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Won't fit thru the action bars
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Posted: 10/9/2018 8:26:24 PM EDT
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Have you tried reducing spring rates with the added mass? may help with the fte and slow it down a little more.
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Posted: 10/9/2018 10:14:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Have you tried reducing spring rates with the added mass? may help with the fte and slow it down a little more. I have not played with lighter springs plus the weight. My other concern is if the added weight would somehow cause damage where the bolt locks into the receiver. Just something nagging in the back of my head. |
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Posted: 4/17/2019 5:01:08 PM EDT
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i was thinking about this as I want to get a m50 some time . I was thinking about drilling a hole in the front of the stock that runs into the cocking slot channel . A tungsten rod that is drilled and tapped would run in the new drilled channel and a threaded bolt would attach the action rod to the tungsten rod. A longer stock that extends to the end of the compensator might be needed.
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