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Posted: 5/15/2020 11:10:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/15/2020 7:33:42 PM EDT
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The 77 is waaay classier than the American and has the best safety in the business. That's why.
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Posted: 5/16/2020 10:28:18 AM EDT
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How unclassy would an American be with hardwood stock and stainless steel?
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Posted: 5/16/2020 12:39:03 PM EDT
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Will take a crf over push feed any day of the week.
Plus they are a classic.  |
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Posted: 5/16/2020 1:37:54 PM EDT
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I never had a Ruger 77, but I did have a 77/22 and it was superb. I now have an American Rimfire, and it's fine, but it's not on the 77/22's level.
But, the real reason to still make the M77 is because people are buying them. As long as they're still selling a 77 (or a $900+ Mini14 in the era of $500 AR15's), more power to them. |
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Posted: 5/19/2020 7:33:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Will take a crf over push feed any day of the week. Plus they are a classic. I prefer CRF tp PF, generally. However, there can be some drawbacks to CRF, such as some CRF rifles requiring the ctg to be emplaced under the extractor claw because their specific design will not allow the extractor claw to over-ride the ctg base on closing the bolt. PF rifles do not exhibit this. So, if one wants the capability of single-loading ctgs with minimal fuss, then go PF. If the user wants to single-load CRF rifles, then one will need to insert the ctg into the magazine where the claw of the extractor can pick it up, as designed, and "control" the ctg. In the case of the Ruger, this much more easily done with the polymer mags than the metal mags. Due to construction tolerances and so forth, although a nominal CRF design, the Ruger M77 Mk II has about 50-50 chance of being either a CRF or PF action. The above is my paraphrasing of R. Mann in his book "The Scout Rifle Study", Pgs 118-119. |
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Posted: 5/22/2020 12:56:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I prefer CRF tp PF, generally. However, there can be some drawbacks to CRF, such as some CRF rifles requiring the ctg to be emplaced under the extractor claw because their specific design will not allow the extractor claw to over-ride the ctg base on closing the bolt. PF rifles do not exhibit this. So, if one wants the capability of single-loading ctgs with minimal fuss, then go PF. If the user wants to single-load CRF rifles, then one will need to insert the ctg into the magazine where the claw of the extractor can pick it up, as designed, and "control" the ctg. In the case of the Ruger, this much more easily done with the polymer mags than the metal mags. Due to construction tolerances and so forth, although a nominal CRF design, the Ruger M77 Mk II has about 50-50 chance of being either a CRF or PF action. The above is my paraphrasing of R. Mann in his book "The Scout Rifle Study", Pgs 118-119. I'm curious why his experience is different than mine. Granted I haven't used the Mk II Scout but my admittedly limited experience with the Mk II has the rims all going under the extractor as soon as they are free of the feed lips. IIRC the MK II has the extractor nose profile of the MK I and allows single feeding w/o loading the mag. |
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Posted: 5/22/2020 1:22:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm curious why his experience is different than mine. Granted I haven't used the Mk II Scout but my admittedly limited experience with the Mk II has the rims all going under the extractor as soon as they are free of the feed lips. IIRC the MK II has the extractor nose profile of the MK I and allows single feeding w/o loading the mag. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I prefer CRF tp PF, generally. However, there can be some drawbacks to CRF, such as some CRF rifles requiring the ctg to be emplaced under the extractor claw because their specific design will not allow the extractor claw to over-ride the ctg base on closing the bolt. PF rifles do not exhibit this. So, if one wants the capability of single-loading ctgs with minimal fuss, then go PF. If the user wants to single-load CRF rifles, then one will need to insert the ctg into the magazine where the claw of the extractor can pick it up, as designed, and "control" the ctg. In the case of the Ruger, this much more easily done with the polymer mags than the metal mags. Due to construction tolerances and so forth, although a nominal CRF design, the Ruger M77 Mk II has about 50-50 chance of being either a CRF or PF action. The above is my paraphrasing of R. Mann in his book "The Scout Rifle Study", Pgs 118-119. I'm curious why his experience is different than mine. Granted I haven't used the Mk II Scout but my admittedly limited experience with the Mk II has the rims all going under the extractor as soon as they are free of the feed lips. IIRC the MK II has the extractor nose profile of the MK I and allows single feeding w/o loading the mag. I'm no expert, either. Just repeating his advice, since the conversation included the CRF/PF issue. |
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Posted: 5/22/2020 2:17:26 PM EDT
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There is a simple answer to the OP's question of Why Ruger still makes the M77.
People still buy it. Simple. |
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Posted: 5/22/2020 3:34:05 PM EDT
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I had a 77 in 300wm and that thing was heavy and not overly accurate.
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Posted: 5/23/2020 10:37:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a 77 in 300wm and that thing was heavy and not overly accurate. A possible remedy for some accuracy issues WRT the M77 rifle is to follow the Mfr's procedure, stated in the Owner's manual, for the tightening sequence, and the torqueing specs of the action screws. Both must be done properly for best result. You'll need an inch/pounds torque wrench, and the proper tips/bits. The HF torque wrenches seem to get satisfactory reviews for light-duty use, YMMV. I have heard that a number of owners, doing this properly have seen an improvement in accuracy. Certainly not a miracle cure, but doing it right seems to be beneficial. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 12:32:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a simple answer to the OP's question of Why Ruger still makes the M77. People still buy it. Simple. This. For hunting rifles, I'd sell 3-4 M77 rifles for every other brand of rifles, with Tikka being the exception being closer to 2:1 in Ruger's favor. Controlled round feed long actions are still very popular guns. When the Guide, Alaskan, and African models came out, we could hardly keep them in stock for more than a day or two. Mind you, where I worked was one of the highest volume Ruger dealers in the US. |
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Posted: 5/30/2020 6:06:42 PM EDT
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The only objection I have with respect to modern Ruger M77 rifles is the tendency for the bolt to "stick" when pushed both UP and Forwards when closing the bolt.
A very skilled, trained user can overcome this very natural mistake, by pushing the bolt forwards, without any Upwards force on the bolt handle. Most of us are not that skilled, nor so well-trained. This issue can be resolved by the user opening the bolt, and closing it, while making a point of putting upwards pressure against the bolt handle whilst forcing it forward. Do so MANY times. The action will "wear-in" the bolt/action over time, with the user making a definite point of putting upward pressure on the bolt handle, while pushing the bolt forward. There are other ways of resolving this issue, but I am hesitant on suggesting such, lest the unskilled user damage their rifle. I suggest the user just make a point of "wearing-in" their Ruger M77 bolt. Done right, the "stickiness" ov the bolt will go away. |
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Posted: 5/30/2020 10:46:47 PM EDT
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I have both m77 30-06 and a American 6.5 creed.
I guess the American is cheaper to make. But more after market part for the American line. |
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Posted: 5/31/2020 1:49:36 AM EDT
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Quoted: This. For hunting rifles, I'd sell 3-4 M77 rifles for every other brand of rifles, with Tikka being the exception being closer to 2:1 in Ruger's favor. Controlled round feed long actions are still very popular guns. When the Guide, Alaskan, and African models came out, we could hardly keep them in stock for more than a day or two. Mind you, where I worked was one of the highest volume Ruger dealers in the US. I was like damn this dude must be from Alaska before I saw your location. Stainless synthetic 77's were our bread and butter and we did a PFD package with them that was really popular. Those guns are rock solid work horses. Chambered in something like 338 win mag they were truly one of the best affordable options. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 1:29:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm curious why his experience is different than mine. Granted I haven't used the Mk II Scout but my admittedly limited experience with the Mk II has the rims all going under the extractor as soon as they are free of the feed lips. IIRC the MK II has the extractor nose profile of the MK I and allows single feeding w/o loading the mag. I know of other people having the same experience with pf rifles. Never have any problems with crf or the problem raf pointed out. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 2:18:28 PM EDT
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People can say what they want, but Bill Ruger knew what people wanted.
Luger like 22 - check 10/22 - check Single action revolver - check Double action revolver - check .22 revolver- check M77 - check Single shot rifle - check And the list goes on and on. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 12:55:01 PM EDT
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The m77 I have shot in 280 Remington was plenty accurate out to 200 yards to drop wild pigs where they stood.
My cousin had one of their varmint configurations in 308 and was as accurate as any Savage or Remington off the shelf. With hand loads it was 5/8-3/4 inch groups all day. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 12:55:59 PM EDT
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The m77 I have shot in 280 Remington was plenty accurate out to 200 yards to drop wild pigs where they stood.
My cousin had one of their varmint configurations in 308 and was as accurate as any Savage or Remington off the shelf. With hand loads it was 5/8-3/4 inch groups all day. Edit:double tap |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 1:04:36 PM EDT
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One of my customers still has both eyeballs b/c his .270 was a push-feed when he loaded .308 into it.
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Posted: 6/15/2020 2:39:57 PM EDT
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Out of curiosity....what action is used in the rpr? Looks like an American action
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Posted: 6/15/2020 2:47:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: Out of curiosity....what action is used in the rpr? Looks like an American action It’s similar but different if I remember right. |
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Posted: 6/15/2020 5:11:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of my customers still has both eyeballs b/c his .270 was a push-feed when he loaded .308 into it. I have read, and re-read this post a few times, and I remain uncertain about it. Please expand. |
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Posted: 6/15/2020 7:49:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have read, and re-read this post a few times, and I remain uncertain about it. Please expand. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: One of my customers still has both eyeballs b/c his .270 was a push-feed when he loaded .308 into it. I have read, and re-read this post a few times, and I remain uncertain about it. Please expand. What I think he’s trying to say is that if it was controlled round feed it would’ve fed the 308 into the chamber end it would’ve gone off exploding the gun. Since it was push feed it probably came loose in the action. |
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Posted: 6/15/2020 8:20:02 PM EDT
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You could be right, but I'd prefer a direct response. Still questioning.....
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Posted: 6/15/2020 8:42:41 PM EDT
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I have a 20+yo M77 MkII VT in .308. Pretty respectable in the accuracy department.
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Posted: 6/15/2020 10:09:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have read, and re-read this post a few times, and I remain uncertain about it. Please expand. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: One of my customers still has both eyeballs b/c his .270 was a push-feed when he loaded .308 into it. I have read, and re-read this post a few times, and I remain uncertain about it. Please expand. Son wants to buy his Da a camouflage .308 for Christmas. He goes to the local big-box store, where they're out of camo .308s. Shoe salesman hands boy a camo .270 push feed. Mom does the paperwork, boy picks up .308 ammo. Da is overjoyed by his son's present, heads to range w/ .270 rifle & .308 ammo a few days after Christmas. Loads up mag, slams bolt shut, draws down on target, squeezes trigger. "Click." Opens bolt, .308 round doesn't extract, has to be rodded out. Man is puzzled, alert rangemaster looks @ bbl, discovers rifle is a .270, man was trying to cheat & get very high BC .270 projectiles @ extremely high velocity. Man comes to box store furious, your reporter talks him down, sells him a fancier camouflage rifle in .308. |
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Posted: 6/15/2020 10:16:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Son wants to buy his Da a camouflage .308 for Christmas. He goes to the local big-box store, where they're out of camo .308s. Shoe salesman hands boy a camo .270 push feed. Mom does the paperwork, boy picks up .308 ammo. Da is overjoyed by his son's present, heads to range w/ .270 rifle & .308 ammo a few days after Christmas. Loads up mag, slams bolt shut, draws down on target, squeezes trigger. "Click." Opens bolt, .308 round doesn't extract, has to be rodded out. Man is puzzled, alert rangemaster looks @ bbl, discovers rifle is a .270, man was trying to cheat & get very high BC .270 projectiles @ extremely high velocity. Man comes to box store furious, your reporter talks him down, sells him a fancier camouflage rifle in .308. I'll have to re-read this tomorrow. Much to tired now to my making sense of it. |
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Posted: 6/15/2020 10:28:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'll have to re-read this tomorrow. Much to tired now to my making sense of it. Good luck with that |
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Posted: 6/15/2020 11:00:08 PM EDT
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A buddy now has 3 Ruger American rifles, a 6.5cm hunter that blew my socks off, and a basic 7.62X39 and .223 one that while shoot decent are nothing to get excited about. the bolt is kinda clunky.
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Posted: 6/15/2020 11:06:23 PM EDT
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I like the dated comment. How is the m77 based rifle dated?
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Posted: 6/16/2020 8:54:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: I like the dated comment. How is the m77 based rifle dated? Its been around half a century and based its design on guns much older. Isn’t that the definition of dated. |
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Posted: 6/16/2020 9:14:17 AM EDT
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In the context it means an old design and. I longer useful because there are better options. I would believe. Not as is having a date.
like a 1911. Someone tell me the dates features. I'm curious. |
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Posted: 6/16/2020 9:40:21 AM EDT
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Quoted: In the context it means an old design and. I longer useful because there are better options. I would believe. Not as is having a date. like a 1911. Someone tell me the dates features. I'm curious. One of the dated features is the action screw that comes in from the front at an angle. Makes it harder to bed and limited the stock availability on the aftermarket. |
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Posted: 6/16/2020 9:57:58 AM EDT
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When did Ruger start making the M77 in “standard” rifle calibers again? I don’t see any on their website, just the plinking/pistol calibers and Hawkeye rifles.
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Posted: 6/16/2020 10:04:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I prefer CRF tp PF, generally. However, there can be some drawbacks to CRF, such as some CRF rifles requiring the ctg to be emplaced under the extractor claw because their specific design will not allow the extractor claw to over-ride the ctg base on closing the bolt. PF rifles do not exhibit this. So, if one wants the capability of single-loading ctgs with minimal fuss, then go PF. If the user wants to single-load CRF rifles, then one will need to insert the ctg into the magazine where the claw of the extractor can pick it up, as designed, and "control" the ctg. In the case of the Ruger, this much more easily done with the polymer mags than the metal mags. Due to construction tolerances and so forth, although a nominal CRF design, the Ruger M77 Mk II has about 50-50 chance of being either a CRF or PF action. The above is my paraphrasing of R. Mann in his book "The Scout Rifle Study", Pgs 118-119. Most people don't know that the first generation of M-77 (w/ tang safety) were all manufactured as PUSH FEED. It wasn't until the MkII that they became CRF. Which CRF rifles will not allow the extractor to ride over the rim when single loading? |
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Posted: 6/16/2020 10:37:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When did Ruger start making the M77 in "standard" rifle calibers again? I don't see any on their website, just the plinking/pistol calibers and Hawkeye rifles. most, at least me, refer to the Hawkeye as the M77 still. I believe most changes were ergonomic and a different trigger. |
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Posted: 6/16/2020 11:54:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: most, at least me, refer to the Hawkeye as the M77 still. I believe most changes were ergonomic and a different trigger. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When did Ruger start making the M77 in "standard" rifle calibers again? I don't see any on their website, just the plinking/pistol calibers and Hawkeye rifles. most, at least me, refer to the Hawkeye as the M77 still. I believe most changes were ergonomic and a different trigger. When the Hawkeye came out it was a 77 Hawkeye I think. It’s been a long time |
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Posted: 7/5/2020 11:13:42 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The 77 is waaay classier than the American and has the best safety in the business. That's why. It kills Russian and Cubans well too. .. |
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Posted: 7/6/2020 3:49:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It kills Russian and Cubans well too. .. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The 77 is waaay classier than the American and has the best safety in the business. That's why. It kills Russian and Cubans well too. .. Wolverines! |
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Posted: 7/9/2020 9:57:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the dated features is the action screw that comes in from the front at an angle. Makes it harder to bed and limited the stock availability on the aftermarket. I have bedded my Ruger GSR into a syn stock using this sort of screw arrangement, torqued it as per factory spec, and had good results. Let's say better accuracy than with the un-bedded, laminated stock, which was not properly torqued by the factory. Even after proper torqueing of the laminated stock, the bedded syn stock was better, which is not surprising. |
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Posted: 7/28/2020 8:55:22 PM EDT
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I wish they still made the M77RSM.
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Posted: 8/11/2020 7:34:14 PM EDT
[#43]
The 77 is a classic rifle though I'm a bit biased with 8 of them including 3 VT stainless in 22-250, 243, and 308. Mine are all MK2s though I do like the tang safety ones.
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Posted: 8/17/2020 5:15:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only objection I have with respect to modern Ruger M77 rifles is the tendency for the bolt to "stick" when pushed both UP and Forwards when closing the bolt. This is my big issue with them. After trying to get a quick second shot at a fleeing coyote and having it bind up solid, I sold it right away. Haven't owned another since. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 10:31:34 PM EDT
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Have a stainless Hawkeye .30-06 that I paid less than $500 for new---about 10 years ago. Its not as accurate as my Browning(on paper) but accurate enough to drop anything I aim it at.
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Posted: 9/17/2020 10:34:53 PM EDT
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M77 is a classic Mauser action rifle and tough as heck. Why wouldn't they still be building them? LOL, they're only making plinkers now.
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Posted: 9/18/2020 8:24:25 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is my big issue with them. After trying to get a quick second shot at a fleeing coyote and having it bind up solid, I sold it right away. Haven't owned another since. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The only objection I have with respect to modern Ruger M77 rifles is the tendency for the bolt to "stick" when pushed both UP and Forwards when closing the bolt. This is my big issue with them. After trying to get a quick second shot at a fleeing coyote and having it bind up solid, I sold it right away. Haven't owned another since. |
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Posted: 9/20/2020 5:38:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is my big issue with them. After trying to get a quick second shot at a fleeing coyote and having it bind up solid, I sold it right away. Haven't owned another since. Have never experienced this. |
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Posted: 9/20/2020 7:04:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have never experienced this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is my big issue with them. After trying to get a quick second shot at a fleeing coyote and having it bind up solid, I sold it right away. Haven't owned another since. Have never experienced this. On my fairly new Ruger GSR rifle, I can make this "binding" happen at will, simply by pushing the bolt handle Upwards against the receiver when closing the bolt. The harder I push the bolt upwards, the tighter it binds. OTOH, I can easily push the bolt straight forward. as hard as I wish, as long as zero upward pressure is put into the bolt handle. Like I said above, there's a simple fix for this. Probably the same thing Ruger does, but that's a guess. One can always send the thing back to Ruger; they have pretty good customer service, and doing so will preserve your warranty. Speaking only for myself, I think I will take a few, gentle passes with a Jeweler's half-round file to the top rear edge of the receiver where my bolt is binding. A gentle , shallow-angled chamfer of the rear edge will be all that is needed--just enough to replicate wear at that point. YMMV. |
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