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[#2]
Quoted: As someone who is considering either an TP9 or MP5k This is an awesome amount of information, thank you. I'm curious what the weight difference is between the TP9 and MP5k is, like 1 or 2 pounds? View Quote |
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I emailed custom smith about a "gas buster" type charging handle and he is going to try and make one. I really enjoy the gun unsuppressed but the gas/noise blowback really kills the experience for me suppressed. It shouldn't be that hard to fix given that the biggest problem is the AR type handle at the back.
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I emailed custom smith about a "gas buster" type charging handle and he is going to try and make one. I really enjoy the gun unsuppressed but the gas/noise blowback really kills the experience for me suppressed. It shouldn't be that hard to fix given that the biggest problem is the AR type handle at the back. I'll be curious to see what comes of it. View Quote |
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[#6]
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This surprises me, my TP9 is the least gassy gun I've ever shot suppressed. Have you tried different ammo? View Quote |
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Mine is a latest gen N. With the big latch. I'm thinking about putting some silicone on the back or something. That and a brass catcher might make it more impressive.
Still a loud host compared to my MP5K among others. |
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[#9]
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yes several. How many guns have you shot suppressed, I can understand a different experience but least gassy gun lol? This is gassy and loud, particularly for a gun with a proprietary can. IMO it's a great gun, but the can is kind of a turkey. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This surprises me, my TP9 is the least gassy gun I've ever shot suppressed. Have you tried different ammo? Something is wrong with your situation... I’m curious what’s going on. |
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[#10]
Quoted: I've had the exact opposite experience with my TP9. I'll echo the other respondent and say this is the absolute least gassy gun I've ever shot (semi auto) and the quietest aside from 22lr stuff I own. Something is wrong with your situation... I'm curious what's going on. View Quote |
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[#11]
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yes several. How many guns have you shot suppressed, I can understand a different experience but least gassy gun lol? This is gassy and loud, particularly for a gun with a proprietary can. IMO it's a great gun, but the can is kind of a turkey. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This surprises me, my TP9 is the least gassy gun I've ever shot suppressed. Have you tried different ammo? And as far as how quiet it is, the only thing more quiet then my TP9 is the mp5's I've shot. And it was really close at that. |
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Quoted: I’ve had the exact opposite experience with my TP9. I’ll echo the other respondent and say this is the absolute least gassy gun I’ve ever shot (semi auto) and the quietest aside from 22lr stuff I own. Something is wrong with your situation... I’m curious what’s going on. View Quote |
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[#13]
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I shoot PPU 158gr ammo through it. View Quote Gotta love the B&T die hards... |
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[#14]
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I've put that through it. Maybe I'll try the brass catcher, but in no way do I believe the MP5 or even the junky scorpion are more gassy than your tp9. There is a big ole port right in the back of the TP9. Gotta love the B&T die hards... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Quoted:
I emailed custom smith about a "gas buster" type charging handle and he is going to try and make one. I really enjoy the gun unsuppressed but the gas/noise blowback really kills the experience for me suppressed. It shouldn't be that hard to fix given that the biggest problem is the AR type handle at the back. I'll be curious to see what comes of it. View Quote |
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[#16]
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Lol ok, you've had three people tell you the same thing and still think we are all lying to you? What on Earth would I have to gain out of lying to a complete stranger on the internet? Have fun with your "gassy" TP9. Sounds like you got a lemon View Quote I don't think you're lying, I just think that a lot of guys 1) haven't had much experience with multiple suppressed hosts (particularly PCCs, sounds like you only own a scorpion) and/or 2) don't want to admit when they spend $3,000 on a toy it's maybe not the greatest thing ever. It's a great gun and I am glad I own it, as a suppressor host it's not my top choice. B&T TP9-N Suppressed |
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Again, what do you actually own to compare it to? Compared to any of my MP5's its loud and gassy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: I've had the exact opposite experience with my TP9. I'll echo the other respondent and say this is the absolute least gassy gun I've ever shot (semi auto) and the quietest aside from 22lr stuff I own. Something is wrong with your situation... I'm curious what's going on. |
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You can literally see the gas in your own video and it's about on par with mine. If that's the least gassy host you have tried you should shoot more guns. I don't think you're lying, I just think that a lot of guys 1) haven't had much experience with multiple suppressed hosts (particularly PCCs, sounds like you only own a scorpion) and/or 2) don't want to admit when they spend $3,000 on a toy it's maybe not the greatest thing ever. It's a great gun and I am glad I own it, as a suppressor host it's not my top choice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYHSjEA_eOA View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Lol ok, you've had three people tell you the same thing and still think we are all lying to you? What on Earth would I have to gain out of lying to a complete stranger on the internet? Have fun with your "gassy" TP9. Sounds like you got a lemon I don't think you're lying, I just think that a lot of guys 1) haven't had much experience with multiple suppressed hosts (particularly PCCs, sounds like you only own a scorpion) and/or 2) don't want to admit when they spend $3,000 on a toy it's maybe not the greatest thing ever. It's a great gun and I am glad I own it, as a suppressor host it's not my top choice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYHSjEA_eOA |
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I've put that through it. Maybe I'll try the brass catcher, but in no way do I believe the MP5 or even the junky scorpion are more gassy than your tp9. There is a big ole port right in the back of the TP9. Gotta love the B&T die hards... View Quote With that said, in my sample size of (1), the TP9 has been pretty fun to shoot. Well, I did shoot another members a couple years ago and that’s what introduced me to them. Purchased for pure cool factor. |
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[#20]
nvm. Off track of the discussion.
I gotta stop staying up so late. |
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[#21]
While in this specific thread I will defend TP9, I know it's not the end all be all.
I have had a GHM9, APC9, TP9, P26, Smith Reverse Stretch MP5. I've never bene a fan of HK triggers, they don't feel right to me. I'm a huge fan of any decent AR-5 2-stage trigger, so you know where i'm coming from. I'll probably regret selling the GHM9, no gas issues, pleasant recoil, quiet enough for me. I consolidated PCCs and went the with the TP9 for size, as a previous poster has said a a glock does everything it can do, but it's purpose built for a stock and fore grip and glock is not, you can put it in a chassis it wasn't made for and it will perform but it seems a lot like dressing something to do what it isn't meant for. A TP9 is what it is, if it's gassy so what; the recoil is a bit more noticeable than the GHM9 or APC. I enjoy the gun, everything it's doing feels right for me. |
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My TP9 is my most gassy suppressor host. I wonder what ammo are you guys using? I typically use speer lawman 147s.
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[#23]
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My TP9 is my most gassy suppressor host. I wonder what ammo are you guys using? I typically use speer lawman 147s. View Quote This gun has real issues with back pressure, anyone who tells you differently is flat out wrong. Of all B&Ts subguns, this is the only one they have had to design a specific suppressor around. That's called a clue. The purpose built can works, but is gassy. Back when DSA was the importer and you could not get the purpose built suppressor there were guys trying to adapt standard 9mm cans, and it would destroy the gun. |
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Lawman tends to be a hot round with a lot of gas. Another poster suggested PPU 158, and I concur. It's noticeably less gassy than Speer, still not great. This gun has real issues with back pressure, anyone who tells you differently is flat out wrong. Of all B&Ts subguns, this is the only one they have had to design a specific suppressor around. That's called a clue. The purpose built can works, but is gassy. Back when DSA was the importer and you could not get the purpose built suppressor there were guys trying to adapt standard 9mm cans, and it would destroy the gun. View Quote |
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[#25]
Question:
I haven’t tried or looked so I Apologize but on the TP9’s are we able to put a picatinny rail on both sides of the gun? I know it comes with one on the right side but possible on the left? |
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[#26]
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Question: I haven’t tried or looked so I Apologize but on the TP9’s are we able to put a picatinny rail on both sides of the gun? I know it comes with one on the right side but possible on the left? View Quote In short I haven’t decided how to attach the extra rail. You can buy them at HK Parts. You also have to consider adding it makes the pistol incompatible with the B&T holster, which is why I opted to but a second upper. Attached File |
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[#27]
Looks like Custom Smith is making a new upper for the TP9 - might meet your needs?
https://www.instagram.com/customsmithmfg/ |
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Looks like Custom Smith is making a new upper for the TP9 - might meet your needs? https://www.instagram.com/customsmithmfg/ View Quote |
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Interesting but it looks like it adds a lot of height assuming to work as a built in riser mount? Major changes I see of side chargeing, multiple stock options, an extra rail and tall rail. Price point will depend weather I try one or not, If it provides that with the same size/form factor i’d probably be more inclined. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Looks like Custom Smith is making a new upper for the TP9 - might meet your needs? https://www.instagram.com/customsmithmfg/ I’ll wait for the aluminum version. B&T has a second gen MP9 upper but hasn’t released it. Their v 1.5 has taller iron sights. |
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I don’t see the point in iron sights unless they are going to make them really nice, and bomb proof or replaceable. You could just add flip ups, they took the built in sights off the APC pro models.
My SRO is placed at a perfect height on the rail, so it seems like a solution looking for a problem. I guess it could help with gas blowback. |
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So I have a dumb guy question. Can you run a non-B&T suppressor on this? Does the muzzle device come off?
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Quoted: Yes, I’ve had a spare rail and upper sitting on my bench for a few weeks, I just haven’t taken the plunge. The right side rail is rivetted on I would like to acquire some factory rivets. It’s probably possible to thread it or insert a metal threaded insert from the inside. In short I haven’t decided how to attach the extra rail. You can buy them at HK Parts. You also have to consider adding it makes the pistol incompatible with the B&T holster, which is why I opted to but a second upper. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/105507/8647BF6E-8E54-476A-985C-DC394690F797_jpe-1253292.JPG View Quote |
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[#35]
I came across one for sale for $900. On gunbroker they're all upwards of $1200. It looks to be in great shape. I might need to grab it.
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[#36]
Quoted: I have added many rails to both sides of the upper on the TP9s that didn't come with the rails. Simply using 2 small bolts and nylon lock nuts. Feel free to reach out to me at [email protected] if you have any questions about the process. View Quote |
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[#38]
This question is most relevant to TP9 so I thought I’d ask here.
Has anyone else looked at the CP33 as an available range toy substitute to the TP380? I’d be interested in the possibility of gutting a CP33 to make a .22 conversion for the TP9. |
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https://customsmithmfg.com/shop?olsPage=products%2Fcsm-tp9-sc-side-charger-replacement-top-cover
I think this was mentioned earlier in this thread. Anyone have one yet? The side charger and left side rail sounds like great improvements but I’m really interested in the fit and finish as well as how easy it is to swap components. |
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https://customsmithmfg.com/shop?olsPage=products%2Fcsm-tp9-sc-side-charger-replacement-top-cover I think this was mentioned earlier in this thread. Anyone have one yet? The side charger and left side rail sounds like great improvements but I’m really interested in the fit and finish as well as how easy it is to swap components. View Quote |
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I don’t see the point in iron sights unless they are going to make them really nice, and bomb proof or replaceable. You could just add flip ups, they took the built in sights off the APC pro models. My SRO is placed at a perfect height on the rail, so it seems like a solution looking for a problem. I guess it could help with gas blowback. View Quote |
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[#42]
Whew! Just binge-read the whole thread - picked up an SPP (waiting on arrival) planning to SBR and add the TechSmith/HalfNattyGainz VFG. Really appreciate the pics posted years back during the development showing where the screws should go!
Does anyone have the PDF manual collection (most particularly the armorer's manual) that could send it to me? I reached out to the original poster but his computer died so he wasn't able to access them... TIA! |
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[#43]
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First prototype aluminum frame is being milled. Once I ensure the dimensions, fit, and function are acceptable I will incorporate the HK-style selectors and an integrated foregrip for those wishing to have a frame with a bit more longevity. Stay tuned :) View Quote |
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Lawman tends to be a hot round with a lot of gas. Another poster suggested PPU 158, and I concur. It's noticeably less gassy than Speer, still not great. This gun has real issues with back pressure, anyone who tells you differently is flat out wrong. Of all B&Ts subguns, this is the only one they have had to design a specific suppressor around. That's called a clue. The purpose built can works, but is gassy. Back when DSA was the importer and you could not get the purpose built suppressor there were guys trying to adapt standard 9mm cans, and it would destroy the gun. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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My TP9 is my most gassy suppressor host. I wonder what ammo are you guys using? I typically use speer lawman 147s. This gun has real issues with back pressure, anyone who tells you differently is flat out wrong. Of all B&Ts subguns, this is the only one they have had to design a specific suppressor around. That's called a clue. The purpose built can works, but is gassy. Back when DSA was the importer and you could not get the purpose built suppressor there were guys trying to adapt standard 9mm cans, and it would destroy the gun. I’m being 100% serious and respectful when I say you should reach out to Karl and air your issues with the system. He personally sent me an owners manual and a nice email when DS Arms refused to provide me with an owners manual back in 2009 for my new TP9. https://www.bt-ag.ch/site/eng/kontakt/kontaktformular I’ve done everything I can to be a proponent of the platform since they were first introduced and before braces were a thing. I am biased. It’s a good platform for what it is, IMHO and its very unfortunate you’re experience has been bad. B&T has a new topcover that was featured in a British magazine. That article was on their site. My entire library of TMP/MP9 files is inaccessible so I can’t pull a picture for you. |
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[#46]
Just a heads up if anyone needs a copy of the Armorer's Manual I have one, just send me a PM with your email.
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[#47]
Quoted: You have obviously given up on the platform and have some resentment based on the money you invested. I’m being 100% serious and respectful when I say you should reach out to Karl and air your issues with the system. He personally sent me an owners manual and a nice email when DS Arms refused to provide me with an owners manual back in 2009 for my new TP9. https://www.bt-ag.ch/site/eng/kontakt/kontaktformular I’ve done everything I can to be a proponent of the platform since they were first introduced and before braces were a thing. I am biased. It’s a good platform for what it is, IMHO and its very unfortunate you’re experience has been bad. B&T has a new topcover that was featured in a British magazine. That article was on their site. My entire library of TMP/MP9 files is inaccessible so I can’t pull a picture for you. View Quote |
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Quoted: You have obviously given up on the platform and have some resentment based on the money you invested. I’m being 100% serious and respectful when I say you should reach out to Karl and air your issues with the system. He personally sent me an owners manual and a nice email when DS Arms refused to provide me with an owners manual back in 2009 for my new TP9. https://www.bt-ag.ch/site/eng/kontakt/kontaktformular I’ve done everything I can to be a proponent of the platform since they were first introduced and before braces were a thing. I am biased. It’s a good platform for what it is, IMHO and its very unfortunate you’re experience has been bad. B&T has a new topcover that was featured in a British magazine. That article was on their site. My entire library of TMP/MP9 files is inaccessible so I can’t pull a picture for you. View Quote |
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[#49]
I apologize these are NOT images of the top cover I was referencing. These are “3rd Gen” suppressor ready top covers with elevated sites and what looks like the standard charging handle chopped and attached to the 2nd Gen charging handle. These came from a UK Print mag.
Attached File Attached File |
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[#50]
Just got my Alpine green TP9 before the Flugaloo kicked off. Been thinking of setting it up a few different ways. Super excited I finally picked one up.
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