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Posted: 7/8/2018 10:19:35 AM EDT
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I finally got a chance to put some drums through the Lage Max-31 - WOW
 . The thing ran like a sewing machine. It ate 6 different soumi drums without a hiccup. Stop and go firing, mag dumps, singles/doubles, etc. The drums are easy to load and the gun takes any modern picatinny red dot sight. As much better the regular Max11 is versus a factory MAC-11/9 ... the Max 31 is just that much better than the Max-11. No exaggeration. And it just sort of bounces on target with no real muzzle climb to fight; my uncle who had never fired it before dumped a whole drum at a 5 gallon bucket of water about 20 yards away and we counted about 55 hits (out of 72)...I'd have to say MAC 11/9 with Lage Max-31 kit is the best performing transferable. |
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Posted: 7/8/2018 10:21:04 AM EDT
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Uzi, it's got the look, for me it's easy to control, an iconic gun, reliable and durabile.
Chicks dig it. |
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Posted: 7/8/2018 10:35:27 AM EDT
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The question is moot to me due to our State laws-- but if I had my druthers, it'd be a tossup between an Uzi (so my wife could shoot it suppressed, and I could sit back and watch glowingly) and/or an MP5SD, probably because I watched too many James Bond movies as a kid. Always liked the looks of the Beretta M12, though, too-- I have heard that they are complicated and fragile, but they are sure cute--
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Posted: 7/8/2018 10:36:20 AM EDT
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I like the MP5 better than the Sterling, so I'll go with that. Transferable trigger frame so you can move it to other hosts and use factory hammers and sears.
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Posted: 7/8/2018 10:51:16 AM EDT
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Got to try a pack on my supressed MP5K-N SBR....I immediately knew what I’d get if 30K suddenly dropped in my lap.
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Posted: 7/8/2018 10:59:22 AM EDT
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MP5
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Posted: 7/8/2018 11:49:07 AM EDT
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Because it's a classic .............
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Posted: 7/8/2018 11:53:06 AM EDT
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MP5A2 for the win!
Sterling for old school styling with real world reliability. Thompson for classy blued steel sex appeal. |
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Posted: 7/8/2018 1:39:45 PM EDT
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Hands down, the Uzi. Reliable, flexible in three calibers and zillions of configurations, and almost boringly reliable (IIRC, the Israelis used to brag that you could run over them with a tank and they would still run 100%, a theory they are said to have proved in real life).
Plus, there are only two subguns so famous that anyone alive can recognize it by its silhouette: The Tommy Gun, and the Uzi. I'll be buried with mine! 
My full-size Vector with its BFF, a suppressed 92: 
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Posted: 7/8/2018 4:46:32 PM EDT
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For actual use, I like my MP5K-N the most. New, reliable, badass, and a high fun ROF.
For collecting, I'd have to go with my Colt Thompson 1921A. I don't even need to explain why. |
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Posted: 7/8/2018 5:01:27 PM EDT
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Hands down my Swedish K. I sold off my MP5 and MP5K long ago because I liked my Swedish K better. If there were any transferable Beretta M12S I would have one and it would be my favorite. A Beretta 38A is also an excellent top of the class shooting SMG.
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Posted: 7/8/2018 6:46:12 PM EDT
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If you're on a budget an M11 with a Lage upper is hard to beat.
An MP5 is probably the best modern transferable sub gun you can own. And if your looking for something with some history behind it I would say a Thompson. |
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Posted: 7/8/2018 9:07:08 PM EDT
[#13]
My MINI UZI
I find that the full size UZI and MP5 to be boringly smooth and not a challenge to shoot. 
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Posted: 7/8/2018 9:11:21 PM EDT
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Full-size MP5. Followed by MP5K-N with 28 locking piece.
Both are so smooth shooting. They are just so pleasant, controllable, and elegant. They are like owning a fullauto 9mm Rolex. Quoted:
Hands down my Swedish K. I sold off my MP5 and MP5K long ago because I liked my Swedish K better. If there were any transferable Beretta M12S I would have one and it would be my favorite. A Beretta 38A is also an excellent top of the class shooting SMG. http://weaponblueprints.com/mongo/pictures/SwedishK-right.jpg |
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Posted: 7/8/2018 9:26:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/9/2018 11:11:40 AM EDT
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I really enjoy the smooth shootability of my S&W 76
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Posted: 7/9/2018 4:00:07 PM EDT
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This is like asking a guy who, by coincidence is named Michael Bolton, what his favorite Michael Bolton song is.
Link to ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4spxWgms1c Answer at 1:24 - 1:38 |
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Posted: 7/18/2018 6:22:43 PM EDT
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Which one?
Hard to pick just one, sometimes it's the blue one, sometimes the green one. Why? The Swedish K is fun to shoot, has good balance and always works. The sights are easy to pick up and adjust for windage and elevation. The ROF makes it easy to control and just feels right. The stock is very sturdy and folds easily. Magazines are easy to load and hold 36 rounds.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/18/2018 8:48:55 PM EDT
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As far as being a pleasure to shoot, I'd say a Sterling. For iconic guns I'd say it is a toss-up between a 1928 Thompson, MP5, or an Uzi.
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Posted: 7/20/2018 5:00:56 AM EDT
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I finally got a chance to put some drums through the Lage Max-31 - WOW . The thing ran like a sewing machine. It ate 6 different soumi drums without a hiccup. Stop and go firing, mag dumps, singles/doubles, etc. The drums are easy to load and the gun takes any modern picatinny red dot sight. As much better the regular Max11 is versus a factory MAC-11/9 ... the Max 31 is just that much better than the Max-11. No exaggeration. And it just sort of bounces on target with no real muzzle climb to fight; my uncle who had never fired it before dumped a whole drum at a 5 gallon bucket of water about 20 yards away and we counted about 55 hits (out of 72)...I'd have to say MAC 11/9 with Lage Max-31 kit is the best performing transferable. IMO, the MP-5 is by far the finest transferable Sub-gun available. I carried that as a primary for a couple years and have a lot of rounds through it. The issue is one of price as they've gone off the scale. So yes, for the money the MACs with the Lage uppers and upgrades are about the best deal going right now. Here's some porn. I ran 7 drums through it yesterday. Zero issues. Every single round went boom the way it was supposed to, either semi or full auto. Heading back out today and will set up a shoot/move course of fire.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/13/2018 12:41:59 PM EDT
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My BRP STG U9 is awesome.
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Posted: 9/13/2018 4:31:47 PM EDT
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Overall based on historical significance, US military use, classic looks, and just overall iconic status,etc......my 1928 Savage Thompson is probably my favorite overall subgun.
My favorite personal shooter is probably my M16/9 paired with an LRM SD upper and CMORE ATAC sight. Extremely quiet, cheap 115gr is subsonic, smooth shooting, modern sighting system with full co-witness or red dot only, ergonomics and fire control manipulation of an M4 carbine. Only part that I don't like is the Colt pattern mags are a pain to load. The MP5 also a smooth shooting gun but always feels a bit too small to me, the fire control positions are not ideal, mags don't drop free and changes under stress are more difficult and slow, there is no LRBHO so it takes more force to stuff a full mag in on a closed bolt (either with the gun dry or a hot mag swap), getting a good red dot position is challenges and the red dot sight is always partially occluded by the HK front sight ring. I prefer the full size MP5 over the K myself if forced to choose between the two. When shooting carbine IDPA/3-Gun type matches my M16/9 is my go to over the MP5. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 10:12:45 PM EDT
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UZI
Built like a tank. Parts are not hard to find IF ever needed and easy to work on and maintain. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 10:22:13 PM EDT
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MP40. They’re a peach to shoot
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Posted: 9/26/2018 10:47:37 PM EDT
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MP40. They're a peach to shoot  The Schmeisser MP41: A Hybrid Submachine Gun 9:01 |
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Posted: 11/30/2018 11:35:08 AM EDT
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For collecting, I'd have to go with my Colt Thompson 1921A. I don't even need to explain why. There's the Thompson, and there's everything else. |
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Posted: 12/1/2018 2:43:25 PM EDT
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There's the Thompson, and there's everything else. Yeah, I can see that. It's not amazing to shoot. MP5 FTW |
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Posted: 12/1/2018 3:15:17 PM EDT
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mp5 10mm.
Smooth, hits damn hard, low recoil, easy to control, four position stock, mags drop freely, and HAS A LAST ROUND BOLT HOLD OPEN! That piece of crap lever right there makes it so nice for rapid reloads. Oh, and there are dual mag clamps to make reloads even faster. And you can whore it out if you're a KAC whore with KAC handguards and the KAC .40/10mm thread on suppressor. Finest pinnacle of sub machine gun engineering. |
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Posted: 12/1/2018 3:39:34 PM EDT
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low recoil... And the mags dropping free is basically irrelevant, since you can't drop them with your firing hand anyway (unless you contort it). The other issue with your "pinnacle" is that it wears out parts too fast (for anything other than civilian use). That's why HK dropped it from the product line. (It still beats the Colt SMG for longevity though. That 9mm SMG is a POS). I agree the LRBHO is nice, but there's an issue there too if you train with MP5 SMGs in other calibers. You'll get "spoiled" on the feature, and forget you picked up a 9mm, which is why HK's International Training Division never recommended using it. |
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Posted: 12/1/2018 5:29:58 PM EDT
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Compared to what? It's got significantly more than a 9mm MP5. And the mags dropping free is basically irrelevant, since you can't drop them with your firing hand anyway (unless you contort it). The other issue with your "pinnacle" is that it wears out parts too fast (for anything other than civilian use). That's why HK dropped it from the product line. (It still beats the Colt SMG for longevity though. That 9mm SMG is a POS). I agree the LRBHO is nice, but there's an issue there too if you train with MP5 SMGs in other calibers. You'll get "spoiled" on the feature, and forget you picked up a 9mm, which is why HK's International Training Division never recommended using it. |
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Posted: 12/8/2018 10:43:29 AM EDT
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You mean for collecting? Yeah, I can see that. It's not amazing to shoot. MP5 FTW For collecting, history, beauty, the pleasure of dumping a 50 rd drum, and just plain holding a Thompson, there is no comparison -for me. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 11:17:33 AM EDT
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TSMG and MP5
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Posted: 4/4/2019 11:26:07 AM EDT
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The Berretta subgun (forget the model - a tube gun like a Sten/Sterling) was just so smooth and easy to shoot... Mmmm... I don't recall the sights to be very good, but damn, the gun was nice to shoot.
The other is a full size Uzi. I still kick myself for not grabbing one when they were "more affordable". The M11 is fun, but shoots way fast and you have to work at holding it on target. Maybe someday I'll get to try one with a .22 kit or something by Lage. The MP5 - I just don't see the love. Maybe it was the example I shot, but it was just not enjoyable. M2 Carbine - tiny mags and a cool gun, and I'd have probably enjoyed it more if the thing didn't like spitting burning powder back at me. 
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Posted: 4/4/2019 4:55:27 PM EDT
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NVM, didn't realize how old this post was.
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:48:52 PM EDT
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NVM, didn't realize how old this post was. 
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Posted: 4/4/2019 7:21:21 PM EDT
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Does it matter? It's not like any new transferable SMGs are coming out. I finally have a 9mm M16 that I like better than an MP5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIMlXOpFop0 |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 9:19:03 PM EDT
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Does it matter? It's not like any new transferable SMGs are coming out. I just typed almost the exact thing I posted a few months back but didn't realize until after I hit submit |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 9:44:49 PM EDT
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Tough to choose only one... The UZI, Sterling, Mp5 are probably my favorite SMG's to shoot. The Sterling is the most reliable and easiest mags to load. The UZI has tougher to load mags, but you can play with the rate of fire by adding buffers, and you can change the calibers also. The Mp5 is the most modern of course, mags are fairly easy to load since they are curved. If you buy a registered Hk trigger pack you can get an Mp5, Mp5K, Mp5-SD, and many other hosts... The Sterling is the hardest to suppress. UZI is louder suppressed. Mp5 is the quietest no doubt. Yeah I'd probably go UZI or Mp5 depending how much cash you have to blow. UZI is going to be cheaper of course. But with a Hk trigger pack or sear you can buy all sorts of cool hosts. Get some rifle caliber hosts too, maybe even a belt fed. If trying to keep costs down, then UZI hands down. Cheap parts, easy to get, cheap mags.
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Posted: 5/11/2019 10:39:08 PM EDT
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Nice to know that I wasn't just in lust with the Sterling, and that was coloring my choice.
I recently went to Battlefield Vegas, and shot the MP5SD, Swedish K, and Sterling SD. The K may have been the most accurate, but the Sterling was close. The Sterling was clearly the best fit for me, and the most comfortable to shoot. The stock of the K was minimalist (to say the least). The MP5SD was a bit of a disappointment. It had come highly recommended by people whose judgement I trust, but I found it mediocre in performance (it may have been high round count due to popularity) both in accuracy, and it was the only one that jammed. FTF along with the HK91 I shot later. (So much for roller block superiority). 
I haven't yet shot an Uzi, but the looks don't do anything for me. Other than being iconic and easily recognized like the HK or a Thompson. But the Sterling. 
The Sterling has haunted my dreams since I shot it. I have already priced parts kits. But money is not in the coffers for a new firearms related purchase right now. 
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Posted: 5/11/2019 11:03:54 PM EDT
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Out of the ones I’ve shot the MP40 is my favorite
Based on looks the steyr S1-100 ( Mp34) is my favorite I just bought a sten ( my only mg ) so I guess that is my favorite because it’s what I can afford
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Posted: 5/12/2019 9:38:44 PM EDT
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Ppsh41, it always gets noticed at my range. I've let a few fellow members shoot it. When they hand it back, their smile goes ear to ear. I would like to have a Mp41, but I don't see that happening unless I win the lottery .
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Posted: 5/13/2019 4:39:40 AM EDT
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There is 'favorite in a vacuum' and there is 'favorite in real life'. There are a lot of other factors that affect the practicality and reality of owning one. What it's like to actually shoot is third or fourth on the list of considerations for most people. Are you a shooter, or a collector?
I'm a shooter. I think Lanchesters are cool AF, but for Lanchester money, I'd probably get an M16 (yeah, I know it's not a subgun, but it could be). PPsh? I love showering in brass, but for PPsh Money I'd have a Sterling. If the prices weren't artificially inflated, I would have them all. The reality of an HK sear is that it's probably one of the best options, until you consider price. Even with all of the versatility, it's painful to drop that kind of money in today's market. If you do, though, you can use it in ten different guns (from 9mm to belt fed 308). At the end of the day, it comes down to what you like, and what you can afford. I wouldn't sweat 'best'. |
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Posted: 5/13/2019 8:28:49 PM EDT
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Tihe reality of an HK sear is that it's probably one of the best options, until you consider price. Even with all of the versatility, it's painful to drop that kind of money in today's market. If you do, though, you can use it in ten different guns (from 9mm to belt fed 308). Scott |
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Posted: 5/13/2019 11:57:39 PM EDT
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Ppsh41, it always gets noticed at my range. I've let a few fellow members shoot it. When they hand it back, their smile goes ear to ear. I would like to have a Mp41, but I don't see that happening unless I win the lottery . 
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Posted: 5/14/2019 1:54:41 AM EDT
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Tough to choose only one... The UZI, Sterling, Mp5 are probably my favorite SMG's to shoot. The Sterling is the most reliable and easiest mags to load. The UZI has tougher to load mags, but you can play with the rate of fire by adding buffers, and you can change the calibers also. The Mp5 is the most modern of course, mags are fairly easy to load since they are curved. If you buy a registered Hk trigger pack you can get an Mp5, Mp5K, Mp5-SD, and many other hosts... The Sterling is the hardest to suppress. UZI is louder suppressed. Mp5 is the quietest no doubt. Yeah I'd probably go UZI or Mp5 depending how much cash you have to blow. UZI is going to be cheaper of course. But with a Hk trigger pack or sear you can buy all sorts of cool hosts. Get some rifle caliber hosts too, maybe even a belt fed. If trying to keep costs down, then UZI hands down. Cheap parts, easy to get, cheap mags. Subjectively my open bolt UZI SMG is quieter when suppressed than my MP5-N and/or MP5K-N SMGs. |
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Posted: 5/19/2019 3:44:24 AM EDT
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The MP5 is my favorite but shooting the M3A1 Grease Gun and S & W M76 and M1A1 Thompson is fun too. And shooting a 50 rd drum from my 28 Thompson is fun too....
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Posted: 5/19/2019 8:10:02 AM EDT
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Uzi out of what I own by far. The most fun is a Grease gun by far followed by a PPSH.
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Posted: 5/19/2019 10:10:33 AM EDT
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The suppressed UZI is the loudest? That is not my experience at all. The suppressed open bolt UZI is spooky quiet. The advanced primer ignition and massive/heavy bolt help delay bolt opening. I recall Joe Gaddini (founder of SWR suppressors) telling me the suppressed Uzi always metered the best of any (non-integrally suppressed) SMG. Subjectively my open bolt UZI SMG is quieter when suppressed than my MP5-N and/or MP5K-N SMGs. They were considered hard to suppress before the days of 147 Gr and heavier ammo. The old book below discussed this: That book talked about how Ciener was credited with making the first effective UZI suppressor. Again, back when subsonic 9mm wasn't common. He did this by using a long barrel ported it in front of the trunion to get it down to subsonic velocities. 
Later the Israeli's starting doing subsonic 9mm using 158 Gr, marketed as the 'blue tip' then in the US market 147 began to appear. For further clarification, I personally prefer an open bolt UZI to closed bolt which is just straight blowback striker fired. The open bolt relies on API and is really quiet again w/ the right ammo....even hotly loaded. I load my 147 a little hotter than max loads...so I'm not loading wimpy rounds to try to get max sound reduction rather I'm more concerned about knocking down steel plates than how quiet it is. Even with my hot loads, it is very quiet. I've been at many SMG matches where I hear people watching me shoot asking others if I'm shooting a suppressed 22LR. |
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Posted: 5/19/2019 5:11:02 PM EDT
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Uzi out of what I own by far. The most fun is a Grease gun by far followed by a PPSH. 
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Posted: 5/21/2019 7:45:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The suppressed UZI is the loudest? That is not my experience at all. The suppressed open bolt UZI is spooky quiet. The advanced primer ignition and massive/heavy bolt help delay bolt opening. I recall Joe Gaddini (founder of SWR suppressors) telling me the suppressed Uzi always metered the best of any (non-integrally suppressed) SMG. Subjectively my open bolt UZI SMG is quieter when suppressed than my MP5-N and/or MP5K-N SMGs. |
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