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Posted: 6/5/2023 12:13:50 PM EDT
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i use my rugged oculus on my 4.5 .22
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Posted: 6/5/2023 12:20:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i use my rugged oculus on my 4.5 .22 Edited: The Oculus does seem pretty well regarded, as is the DA Mask. Is the Oculus quieter than the Mask on a pistol? |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 2:11:36 PM EDT
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The Mask sounds fantastic and comes apart easily/can be cleaned aggressively. It is always my default recommendation. Among my collection of rimfire cans it is at the top along with TBAC Takedown and Element 2. I like the Element 2 better for pistols due to lighter weight but my Mask resides on a .22 AR.
 
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Posted: 6/5/2023 2:26:23 PM EDT
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If you are tucking it, you may want to pay attention to how they assemble/disassemble. When I was researching something or another awhile ago, I remember someone complaining that their tucked .22 would have the tube screw off the base leaving the base attached to the barrel and tucked into the handguard. Don't recall which model it was. If you plan to take the handguard off regularly, that might not matter.
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Posted: 6/5/2023 3:07:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are tucking it, you may want to pay attention to how they assemble/disassemble. When I was researching something or another awhile ago, I remember someone complaining that their tucked .22 would have the tube screw off the base leaving the base attached to the barrel and tucked into the handguard. Don't recall which model it was. If you plan to take the handguard off regularly, that might not matter. That's one thing I like about my XRT F1 can. The end cap and base are reverse threaded. It's impossible to leave it on the rifle when removing the suppressor. Plus I can put a tool on the end cap to remove the whole suppressor. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 7:18:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are tucking it, you may want to pay attention to how they assemble/disassemble. When I was researching something or another awhile ago, I remember someone complaining that their tucked .22 would have the tube screw off the base leaving the base attached to the barrel and tucked into the handguard. Don't recall which model it was. If you plan to take the handguard off regularly, that might not matter. I have had this happen with my Dead air mask on a 4.5in ar22 with tucked handguards. Dead Air mask is imo the top dog for .22lr suppressors. But I mostly keep that on a ruger mkiv I have. For the .22sbr I keep my Ruger Silent SR on it. The way its designed makes it impossible for the rear cap to stay attached to the barrel. It is also a great, under rated suppressor imo. Maybe a tick louder than the mask, but quality design and materials. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 8:08:12 PM EDT
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In the rimfire class, the Mask is pretty competitive.
The problem with your massive envelope is that nothing purpose built exists in that space. I know I have a Rev9 early gen can I shoot on rimfires and it sounds like the firing pin, but it's not even rimfire bored, and we don't sell that generation of can anymore. Our Checkmate HD coming soon sounds a lot like a mask on that platform and is probably easier to break down for cleaning after extended use. I haven't shot our Paladin 5 on a rimfire rifle, but this guy has:  Taking a Look at the KelTec P17- Suppressed!  Why You Should Consider a 5.56 Suppressor for Your .22LRs I would imagine the ECO FLOW version would work well, especially on a brake mount like the included EZ brake. I haven't been able to try it though. I just checked the vault and our only demo is not the current HD version with the ECO flow stack or I would have shot it quick to tell you what it sounded like. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 8:11:24 PM EDT
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The Oculus and Mask are both highly regarded in the threads I'm dredging up. Both have SS baffles. Both are about the same size and weight.
The Oculus appears to be slightly cheaper and is modular. So you are getting additional functionality for less money. I wonder if there is a significant difference in sound between them? |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 8:30:31 PM EDT
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At 4:12 Dustin shoots a rimfire rifle with a Bushwhacker .46. The .36 would sound a lot better, but the .46 sounds pretty good for a .510 bore with a .22 caliber bullet. The caliber specific caps help 4-5DB too.
 One Stamp to Suppress Them All: Griffin Armament Bushwhacker 46 |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 3:20:17 AM EDT
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My octane 9 proportion wise looks much better on my AR SBR than any rimfire can. And it seems just as quiet plus with zero gas blow back thanks to the large diameter exit hole.
Gemtech briefly made an oversize can for 22 rifles/SBRs, to my knowledge no one else has. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 6:39:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gemtech briefly made an oversize can for 22 rifles/SBRs, to my knowledge no one else has. My understanding is GSL made them for Gemtech and they still do... https://gsltechnology.com/product/tomcat/ |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 6:57:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem with your massive envelope is that nothing purpose built exists in that space. I haven't shot our Paladin 5 on a rimfire rifle, but this guy has:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqmFlBdDW4s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rNiIf4AxowI would imagine the ECO FLOW version would work well, especially on a brake mount like the included EZ brake. I haven't been able to try it though. I just checked the vault and our only demo is not the current HD version with the ECO flow stack or I would have shot it quick to tell you what it sounded like. Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem with your massive envelope is that nothing purpose built exists in that space. I haven't shot our Paladin 5 on a rimfire rifle, but this guy has: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqmFlBdDW4s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rNiIf4AxowI would imagine the ECO FLOW version would work well, especially on a brake mount like the included EZ brake. I haven't been able to try it though. I just checked the vault and our only demo is not the current HD version with the ECO flow stack or I would have shot it quick to tell you what it sounded like. I should try my Recce 5 and see how it sounds.  I guess I could always get a GP5 and just send it until it clogs up. I probably shoot less than two thousand rounds of 22LR a year. I wonder how many thousands of rounds that would take? Quoted: Our Checkmate HD coming soon sounds a lot like a mask on that platform and is probably easier to break down for cleaning after extended use. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 7:03:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My octane 9 proportion wise looks much better on my AR SBR than any rimfire can. And it seems just as quiet plus with zero gas blow back thanks to the large diameter exit hole. Quote HistoryQuoted: My octane 9 proportion wise looks much better on my AR SBR than any rimfire can. And it seems just as quiet plus with zero gas blow back thanks to the large diameter exit hole. Quoted: Gemtech briefly made an oversize can for 22 rifles/SBRs, to my knowledge no one else has. Quoted: My understanding is GSL made them for Gemtech and they still do... https://gsltechnology.com/product/tomcat/ |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 7:33:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're doing a new version of the Checkmate? When is that coming? (Weeks or months?) It's already out. I ordered one from SilencerShop a few weeks back. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 7:39:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: EDIT: Doing some searching around, it looks like the DA Mask is often recommended as the one to beat. Sometimes I wonder if suppressor recommendations are just a popularity contest or if it's due to actual performance. Is there anything that would sound better than a DA mask on a 4.5" barrel? (maybe the Mask is better on rifles but not pistols, that's unclear) Nope, this is one of those case where the product deserves the hype and the Mask sounds just as good on a pistol as it does a rifle. Maybe even more so considering a lot of rimfire suppressors have significant FRP on pistols and the Mask does not. If there is a quieter can out there you would probably need a meter to notice. The only thing some people like to complain about with the Mask is the weight (which I think is blown way out of proportion) but you said you don't care about that and I don't think you should either. Its one of the only cans I've bought that I'm 100% happy with and if I was starting over, I would buy again in a heartbeat. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:47:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope, this is one of those case where the product deserves the hype and the Mask sounds just as good on a pistol as it does a rifle. Maybe even more so considering a lot of rimfire suppressors have significant FRP on pistols and the Mask does not. If there is a quieter can out there you would probably need a meter to notice. The only thing some people like to complain about with the Mask is the weight (which I think is blown way out of proportion) but you said you don't care about that and I don't think you should either. Its one of the only cans I've bought that I'm 100% happy with and if I was starting over, I would buy again in a heartbeat. My sentiments as well. The Mask absolutely lives up to the hype. As stated, where it really shines is the lack of FRP. I have a form 1 22 can I did back when such things weren't verboten, and while it performs surprisingly well, it is also much larger diameter than the Mask and not nearly as rugged as the Mask (no pun intended). |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 9:08:16 AM EDT
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Thunderbeast Takedown or Mask is where I would spend my money.
I have two Takedowns and am very happy. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 9:11:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is kind of a niche want/need I guess. How many people out there have 22LR AR15 SBRs? I should try my Recce 5 and see how it sounds. I guess I could always get a GP5 and just send it until it clogs up. I probably shoot less than two thousand rounds of 22LR a year. I wonder how many thousands of rounds that would take? You're doing a new version of the Checkmate? When is that coming? (Weeks or months?) I think two weeks for official release. We did decide to push backorders because we had almost 6 months of backorders we didn’t want to lose. We are kind of under the gun on processing the media release stuff, we have like 7 videos over three weeks that are going to be covering various aspects of that. We’re in a product release crunch into the fall from what it looks like, with too many releases and not enough media production time. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:11:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think two weeks for official release. We did decide to push backorders because we had almost 6 months of backorders we didn't want to lose. We are kind of under the gun on processing the media release stuff, we have like 7 videos over three weeks that are going to be covering various aspects of that. We're in a product release crunch into the fall from what it looks like, with too many releases and not enough media production time.  Thanks everyone for your thoughts! |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 3:23:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope, this is one of those case where the product deserves the hype and the Mask sounds just as good on a pistol as it does a rifle. Maybe even more so considering a lot of rimfire suppressors have significant FRP on pistols and the Mask does not. If there is a quieter can out there you would probably need a meter to notice. The only thing some people like to complain about with the Mask is the weight (which I think is blown way out of proportion) but you said you don't care about that and I don't think you should either. Its one of the only cans I've bought that I'm 100% happy with and if I was starting over, I would buy again in a heartbeat. agreed. every time ive shot one, im blown away by how quiet it is. other suppressor enthusiasts also have the same experience. i really dont understand the obsession with people and having sub 4oz 22lr cans (the # i see thrown around the most). where and when did this arbitrary number get picked? what makes 4 so special, whereas 5-6+ oz is just too much? yes its terrible place to put weight on a gun, but this popular host is 42+ ounces. are you guys running ultra light hosts too? |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 4:12:52 PM EDT
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Something to keep in mind, port pop.
I built a 4.5” AR SBR for my kids to shoot, and I put a 1.25”x4” Form 1 can on it. The can is nothing special, diy monocore. I’m teaching my kids to shoot steel on a shot timer, and the timer won’t pick up the shots if I hold it by the muzzle. It will pick up shots if I hold it next to the ejection port. Point is, a suppressed 22LR AR is only going to be as quiet as the port pop, it’s the loudest part of the system. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 4:24:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i really dont understand the obsession with people and having sub 4oz 22lr cans (the # i see thrown around the most). where and when did this arbitrary number get picked? what makes 4 so special, whereas 5-6+ oz is just too much? yes its terrible place to put weight on a gun, but this popular host is 42+ ounces. are you guys running ultra light hosts too? If I'm going to put my suppressor on a light pistol, like a 16oz Taurus TX22 Compact (which I am, and I just ordered a 3.0 oz Warlock for it), I'm going to want a light suppressor, otherwise the gun will be very muzzle heavy. So the lightest suppressors are all sub 4oz and there are quite a few of them. Honestly, for pistols, I see no reason to go heavier than 3.5oz, Even at that cutoff, there are a lot of cans to choose from (you can even get a titanium Nyx at 3.6oz). Like everything else, it's a compromise. I don't shy away from aluminum baffles. For a pistol can the tradeoff is worth it to me, but some don't want them. In the case of my rimfire SBR, the lightweight isn't a need so a even a 10 oz can would be just fine and that's one less compromise I need to be concerned with. In this role, the 6.6oz Mask and 6.9oz Oculus are very appealing. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 4:25:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Something to keep in mind, port pop. I built a 4.5" AR SBR for my kids to shoot, and I put a 1.25"x4" Form 1 can on it. The can is nothing special, diy monocore. I'm teaching my kids to shoot steel on a shot timer, and the timer won't pick up the shots if I hold it by the muzzle. It will pick up shots if I hold it next to the ejection port. Point is, a suppressed 22LR AR is only going to be as quiet as the port pop, it's the loudest part of the system.  Yeah good point though. It's true with a semi-auto pistol too. I think about all you can do is shoot the weakest ammo the gun will reliably cycle with. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:19:56 PM EDT
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You are neglecting an important aspect which is that you need a can that won’t leave the mount behind when unscrewing. It’s why the sparrow is my favorite AR22 SBR suppressor even when I have better sounding rimfire cans.
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:36:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: agreed. every time ive shot one, im blown away by how quiet it is. other suppressor enthusiasts also have the same experience. i really dont understand the obsession with people and having sub 4oz 22lr cans (the # i see thrown around the most). where and when did this arbitrary number get picked? what makes 4 so special, whereas 5-6+ oz is just too much? yes its terrible place to put weight on a gun, but this popular host is 42+ ounces. are you guys running ultra light hosts too? It's bullshit. I personally like the cans in the 5-6 ounce range. The 2.8 ounce cans are obviously the kind of items that if you trip in the woods with a rifle and don't protect the rifle, you'll watch them get damaged like junk. The extra 3 ounces allows the cans to have normal wall thickness and to be made of heavier alloys than 6061. This gives them the feel of strong products, and the realistic strength to back that up. 17-4 is only 5.4 times the strength of 6061, and it doesn't evaporate in an ultrasonic cleaner, or erode from firing subsonic cartridges. People always talk about the value of a stamp- that $200 "investment". Then maybe don't invest it in inferior aluminum and paper thin parts. |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 12:44:07 PM EDT
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What do you guys think of the Switchback for this role?
Currently considering the Mask, Oculus and now the Switchback. If I get the Switchback I can get a free Warlock since it and my purchase earlier this week would put me over the $700 for the BOGO. I don't want to get an inferior can just to get a second Warlock though. |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 1:11:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you guys think of the Switchback for this role? Currently considering the Mask, Oculus and now the Switchback. If I get the Switchback I can get a free Warlock since it and my purchase earlier this week would put me over the $700 for the BOGO. I don't want to get an inferior can just to get a second Warlock though. The Mask is kind of the “gold standard” by which all rimfire cans seem to be measured these days. It is excellent. I haven’t shot my oculus yet. Still in jail. The switchback is really popular, and seems to be good, although I have no experience with it. The nyx mod 2 is my current favorite rimfire can, due to ease of cleaning. I’m kind of interested in this new griffin can. It looks super cool. It will probably be my next rimfire can, or maybe another Nyx. |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 2:02:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I'm going to put my suppressor on a light pistol, like a 16oz Taurus TX22 Compact (which I am, and I just ordered a 3.0 oz Warlock for it), I'm going to want a light suppressor, otherwise the gun will be very muzzle heavy.  Also note that my Mask at the time of that pic was really dirty and actually weighed in at 7oz's. I also have a AAC Element 2 which is a 4oz can and between the 2 suppressors, the TX-22 actually handles better IMO with the Mask on it. Extra weight at the end of the barrel isn't always a bad thing and in fact is often a good thing especially with really light guns. I will concede that it is gun specific and personal preferences come into play heavily. I also have a P322 (which is also a 16oz gun) and for some reason on that gun, I do prefer the E2 but that might be because my P322 has an optic on it? |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 2:06:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not true in the least. Here is a TX-22 with a DA Mask on it. Look at the balance point. Is that too front heavy for you? https://i.imgur.com/9CY0hgA.jpg Also note that my Mask at the time of that pic was really dirty and actually weighed in at 7oz's. I also have a AAC Element 2 which is a 4oz can and between the 2 suppressors, the TX-22 actually handles better IMO with the Mask on it. Extra weight at the end of the barrel isn't always a bad thing and in fact is often a good thing especially with really light guns. I will concede that it is gun specific and personal preferences come into play heavily. I also have a P322 (which is also a 16oz gun) and for some reason on that gun, I do prefer the E2 but that might be because my P322 has an optic on it? |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 2:10:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm kind of interested in this new griffin can. It looks super cool. It will probably be my next rimfire can, or maybe another Nyx. |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 2:23:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ^ I prefer the balance point a little more back, but that's not bad actually. IIRC, even without any can, the balance point only moved back an inch or so. To each their own but IMO a super light gun like the TX-22 really benefits from some extra weight on it. Less muzzle rise (not the 22 has much to start with) but it points and transitions so much better IMO |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 2:33:35 PM EDT
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A Mask or Oculus would be a good option.
Honestly, with a semi auto, any name brand suppressor is going to sound about the same. As long as your ammo is staying subsonic, the action noise will be louder than the shot. Don't split hairs over a db or two. A 4.5" barrel will keep most bulk pack ammo subsonic, but you may find some subs are still quieter. |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 2:37:03 PM EDT
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Well if OP doesn't care about length and weight, run a bigass 30cal can. Thats gonna be quieter than any puny little girl 22 rimfire can.
Here's mine, 4.5" 22lr, with a $200 30 cal can while my rimfire one was in jail. This is just standard bulk ammo. All you hear is the bolt cycling and the round hitting the dirt 40yd back.  Suppressed 22lr AR-15 |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 4:48:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well if OP doesn't care about length and weight, run a bigass 30cal can. Thats gonna be quieter than any puny little girl 22 rimfire can. Here's mine, 4.5" 22lr, with a $200 30 cal can while my rimfire one was in jail. This is just standard bulk ammo. All you hear is the bolt cycling and the round hitting the dirt 40yd back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfwlx23tPCc |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 6:24:21 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you guys think of the Switchback for this role? Currently considering the Mask, Oculus and now the Switchback. If I get the Switchback I can get a free Warlock since it and my purchase earlier this week would put me over the $700 for the BOGO. I don't want to get an inferior can just to get a second Warlock though. Ive been considering the switchback too but Ive heard it has first round pop with pistols which is a turn off. Can anyone else confirm switchback as having first round pop with pistols? |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 7:22:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That Checkmate HD does actually look pretty interesting. I like that it has integrated EZ-Lok. I wonder how it will sound compared to the Mask, Oculus or Switchback? It will probably sound about identical. We tested the cans (Mask, GM-22, Sparrow, SRD-22, Checkmate HD), and the Mask lost both platforms muzzle, and our can won in FRP on both platforms and muzzle AVG on a pistol, our FRP in the test was 4-5DB better than Dead Air on the two platforms, and I think the Dead air won both platforms ear avg- the rifle was Mask by 0.1DB margin ear, and the pistol was 1.3DB difference ear. The Sparrow took the 5 round winning muzzle average on the S&W MP15-22, despite higher FRP. Our can had 1-3K rounds on it as tested, the Mask was new, unfired as we started testing. I wasn't present for the Capital Armory hosted demo shoot event where it was fired 1-3K rounds according to various reports which are conflicting from various people who went to that event that I didn't attend. Hence the 1-3K rounds on our can for our comparison test against the competitors we tested against, whos cans were all new unfired going into the test (except the SRD-22 which was test fired at the factory and delivered test fired). I thought it was a little stupid to test our can in that condition, but I also had confidence it would do really well, and it did pretty well, but the Dead Air Mask performed better for us, than any other test I've seen it in by a small margin. It tested really well. |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 7:56:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought it was a little stupid to test our can in that condition, but I also had confidence it would do really well, and it did pretty well, but the Dead Air Mask performed better for us, than any other test I've seen it in by a small margin. It tested really well. I know car mufflers generally do. Nice to hear your can did well with FRP. I was wondering about that. |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 8:09:36 PM EDT
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Most people I've fired suppressors with can't tell the difference between most cans. Most can't hear first round pop. Suppressor nerds listen for nuances but truthfully the majority of end users will be satisfied with any of the current production cans.
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Posted: 6/7/2023 8:23:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't suppressors generally sound better after they've broken in and gotten a little carbon covering the insides? I know car mufflers generally do. Nice to hear your can did well with FRP. I was wondering about that. I don't think so. The carbon is taking volume and the volume in this class is very small. We do see muzzle flash drop substantially when the can is all black inside vs shiny inside (this was a noticeable difference on our 762MMG for example, but that's more with centerfire cans, where there is actually some flash to be looking at. |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 8:23:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most people I've fired suppressors with can't tell the difference between most cans. Most can't hear first round pop. Suppressor nerds listen for nuances but truthfully the majority of end users will be satisfied with any of the current production cans. First round pop is definitely perceivable when shooting 22 pistols…. My Nyx Mod 1 has a discernible first round pop as does my buddies el camino. With my mask, I dont hear it at all. Host is a Ruger MkIV |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 8:30:35 PM EDT
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The only two cans in the test that sort of sounded somewhat similar to me were the Mask and the Checkmate HD. The Sparrow was kind of ear loud on the pistol and it sounded harsh to me behind the gun- I saw some sparks and a little light on the first round with the pistol. The GM22 had poor/harsh tone IMO but the AHAAH software dosing liked it shooters ear (the first can I've seen like that)<hypothesis 1/4th the time for the signature, despite the signature being louder. <That's all I could "see" in the data- it is very free flowing as in fast exhausting of gas out the front. I can't recall the SRD-22 clearly enough to say much about it. I was expecting it to have more FRP vis a vis the Dead Air FRP test, but it didn't peak that high. I think FRP was around 124 (just a ballpark). The baffles on the SRD are like all over the place like obstacles for the bullet to fly around, and I think that's sort of cheating compared to 4 other cans with nice clean shoot-able bores. Snaggle-toothed inhospitable bore isn't an upsell feature.
I kind of leaned toward a disagreement with AHAAH on the GM22. The AHAAH will also say things like 1.7 rounds a week of unsuppressed M16-A2 are safe, and it almost looks like if there is a flaw in AHAAH, it is in favor of reducing risk when sounds are really fast. This would seem like it could possibly be in favor of the "textbook" safety of some of the really loud platforms the military fields like the AT-4 rocket. |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 10:06:54 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It will probably sound about identical. We tested the cans (Mask, GM-22, Sparrow, SRD-22, Checkmate HD), and the Mask lost both platforms muzzle, and our can won in FRP on both platforms and muzzle AVG on a pistol, our FRP in the test was 4-5DB better than Dead Air on the two platforms I'm having a hard time believing that ANY can is 4-5 dB lower than the Mask for FRP. The Mask has proven for years and thousands of cans that it has near non-existent FRP. And is always among the top 3-4 of quietest 22lr cans on the market. |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 10:27:31 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: First round pop is definitely perceivable when shooting 22 pistols…. My Nyx Mod 1 has a discernible first round pop as does my buddies el camino. With my mask, I dont hear it at all. Host is a Ruger MkIV Just stating my experience. Most people can't hear the first round pop from my Sparrow, the crowned king of first round pop. I can, some others can, but most can't. I will say only shoot standard velocity which obviously helps. I just think suppressor people are too picky sometimes. Myself included. I will stand by my statement though, most will be satisfied with any current can. Excited for the Checkmate HD. |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 11:08:45 PM EDT
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Usually, the point of a 4.5" barrel is that you can run bulk stuff and it will be, mostly, subsonic. Maybe you're going to feed the thing a steady diet of CCI SV, just something to consider. Bulk stuff is filthy dirty and in a 4.5" "fun" gun, the first thing I'd think about is how easy a given can is to clean. I'd look hard at the Sparrow, or similar mono builds, as well as the DA Mask. I have a Spectre, which is a heavier version of the Warlock, but it isn't simple to clean. If I was building what you were building I'd pick up a sparrow, not worry too much about FRP, and just have a ton of fun shooting.
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Posted: 6/8/2023 7:09:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just think suppressor people are too picky sometimes. Myself included. Some people also just don't notice certain things unless they are in tune with them. Once you become intimately familiar, then subtleties can become blatantly obvious, maybe even annoying. I find this true with many things; relationships, cars, guns, suppressors, etc. |
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Posted: 6/8/2023 7:12:08 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Usually, the point of a 4.5" barrel is that you can run bulk stuff and it will be, mostly, subsonic. Maybe you're going to feed the thing a steady diet of CCI SV, just something to consider. Bulk stuff is filthy dirty and in a 4.5" "fun" gun, the first thing I'd think about is how easy a given can is to clean. Good point. I'll be sure to read the manuals regarding maintenance before I make a decision. |
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Posted: 6/8/2023 9:03:21 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm having a hard time believing that ANY can is 4-5 dB lower than the Mask for FRP. The Mask has proven for years and thousands of cans that it has near non-existent FRP. And is always among the top 3-4 of quietest 22lr cans on the market. We designed the can priority 1 to have low FRP (a metric we have never made priority 1 for any of our previous rimfire cans), but negative measured FRP was typical in testing. The can was the best system we could pull from 5 different baffles and about 30 configurations of parts. Our typical rimfire systems of the past were either developed without prototyping, or the best of 4 prototypes. Typically sound performance can be a little better if the rimfire can has FRP. The methods to reduce FRP typically hurt 5 rd average performance in rimfire cans at least very slightly. |
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Posted: 6/8/2023 9:46:57 AM EDT
[#48]
FRP is a killer for me on subsonic rounds. I can absolutely hear the difference across several rimfire cans on a pistol. Shots 2+? They all sound very good.
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Posted: 6/8/2023 10:20:12 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We designed the can priority 1 to have low FRP (a metric we have never made priority 1 for any of our previous rimfire cans), but negative measured FRP was typical in testing. The can was the best system we could pull from 5 different baffles and about 30 configurations of parts. Our typical rimfire systems of the past were either developed without prototyping, or the best of 4 prototypes. Typically sound performance can be a little better if the rimfire can has FRP. The methods to reduce FRP typically hurt 5 rd average performance in rimfire cans at least very slightly. @Green0 If I were to use Cam Lok with this, how many rounds would you expect it to go before loosening? I know with centerfire pistols you recommend checking tightness every two or three mags, but this would be subjected to a lot less recoil and heat. |
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Posted: 6/8/2023 8:20:46 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The red tape and costs we have to deal with will do that. Some people also just don't notice certain things unless they are in tune with them. Once you become intimately familiar, then subtleties can become blatantly obvious, maybe even annoying. I find this true with many things; relationships, cars, guns, suppressors, etc. Well said about becoming intimately familiar with things! Flaws or subtleties become way more obvious. |
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