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Posted: 11/7/2022 1:41:32 PM EDT
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What's your question?
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Posted: 11/7/2022 1:45:40 PM EDT
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From what I understand there really is no legal F1 can anymore....according to the ATF
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Posted: 11/7/2022 1:45:52 PM EDT
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Pretty sure the magic word right now across the board for f1 silencers is "denied".
But i could be wrong? |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 1:51:05 PM EDT
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In the submission post a picture of some raw barstock next to your lathe.
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Posted: 11/7/2022 1:52:37 PM EDT
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I thought I read on here some guys were getting them approved if you stated no materials were purchased yet or something.
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Posted: 11/7/2022 3:01:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:From what I understand there really is no legal F1 can anymore....according to the ATF Quote HistoryQuoted:From what I understand there really is no legal F1 can anymore....according to the ATF Quoted:Pretty sure the magic word right now across the board for f1 silencers is "denied". Form 1's, for silencers, are still being approved. The ATF only said a "solvent trap part" , that has been spot faced, has no other purpose than as a silencer part. Plenty of suppliers are selling w/o spot facing the cups. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 5:40:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought I read on here some guys were getting them approved if you stated no materials were purchased yet or something. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 6:58:16 PM EDT
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Yes, The eform system now displays an error, unless you "Submit an attachment" Of photos, Supply house, etc
They are now asking where you are purchasing your "Kit" and they want photos of your "kit". I Sure hope everyone is smart enough not to fall down that rabbit hole. Keep your wording Simple: " I do not have any materials, I will not buy any materials without an approved form 1 stamp. I intend to follow all NFA Laws, and will not order any raw materials, or design anything without an approved tax stamp. They seem to be aggressively searching for "Kit" Providers, and DummysRus to send photos, of the kit they ordered. |
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Posted: 11/8/2022 12:45:37 AM EDT
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So I should upload a PDF of my "plans as follows"
Step 1: Fill out Form 1 Step 2: Submit Form 1 Step 3: Mail in fingerprints Step 4: Wait for approval Step 5: Buy materials Step 6: Make Suppressor by making baffles and putting them in a tube Step 7: Go to range Step 8: Shoot suppressor Step 9: Take selfie because this trip was awesome Step 10: Drive home Step 11: Secure suppressor in safe Step 12: Go back to Step 1 and repeat |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 2:42:42 PM EDT
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I just had a form 1 Can approved, 32 days. on the 30th. Submitted Oct 28.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 3:16:13 PM EDT
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My last form 1 can was around May of last year, but I just submitted a new app for another today. They now require a description of the process and a picture of the material/parts you're going to use.
I bought a 3ft length of Ti tube and laid that next to some 17-4 and Ti bar stock and took a picture of that. I wrote a short description of the turning and milling ops I planned to do. I guess I'll find out if my tubing and solid stock are already suppressor parts because I thought about making one out of them. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 3:47:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My last form 1 can was around May of last year, but I just submitted a new app for another today. They now require a description of the process and a picture of the material/parts you're going to use. I bought a 3ft length of Ti tube and laid that next to some 17-4 and Ti bar stock and took a picture of that. I wrote a short description of the turning and milling ops I planned to do. I guess I'll find out if my tubing and solid stock are already suppressor parts because I thought about making one out of them. There's zero reason to do any of what you described. It's already been pointed out that simply saying things like "No material will be purchased until From1 is approved" or "All laws to be followed during the making of this NFA device" are acceptable. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:07:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just had a form 1 Can approved, 32 days. on the 30th. Submitted Oct 28. What did you use for your "description"? I was thinking about submitting one with the "No materials will be purchased till Form 1 is approved. Materials will be turned into parts with on hand tooling after Form 1 approval." It's truthful. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:26:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the submission post a picture of some raw barstock next to your lathe. |
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Posted: 12/2/2022 8:15:27 AM EDT
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My latest was approved at 76 Days. "I will machine non silencer parts into a silencer with an approved form 1". On my rough sketch I put "Upon approval of the Form 1, I will purchase material from a local or online vendor and machine the parts using a lathe and/or hand tools. Final design not yet designed, but the below is a rough estimation of design.
Drew a crude design of the can. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 1:23:22 AM EDT
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Submitted a form 1 tonight. Stated no materials were being purchased before the stamp was approved. So we will see
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:32:58 PM EDT
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I just submitted my F1 for a .22LR can.
I included a pic of raw barstock and a piece of sched 40 aluminum pipe and a crude drawing of my plans. In Description, I stated 'ALUMINUM BARSTOCK TO BE TURNED ON LATHE ONLY UPON F1 APPROVAL' IN Reason, I stated 'COST EFFECTIVE HEARING PROTECTION AND ALL LAWFUL PURPOSES'. *My eForm 4 is now at Day 149 since certifying and I don't think I'll see it before May/June at the rate things are moving.....hoping the eF1 moves as fast as my last one--only 15 days from submitting, 9 days from them receiving my prints. I'm hoping to see this one before Christmas but I'm not going to hold my breath. |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 1:40:19 PM EDT
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Ok, Filled out eForm 1 on 24Nov22. Send in fingerprints same day. Prints received 28Nov22. eForm1 approved 08Dec22.
Added a pic of my mini lathe, drillpress, dremel tool and a big box of RC model tools. Also a MSPaint diagram of the planned suppressor. Para 4h: Aluminum, 9in long. Actual raw material will be procured after form1 is approved. Para 4i: For all legal purposes. Approved by: Carol Ripley TYCOM |
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Posted: 12/9/2022 9:46:36 AM EDT
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Mine that was just approved, about 40 days from the app, trust 1 rp.
I included one pic of some raw material, and a statement of raw material that I have and may need to purchase. Now I have emailed the atf before when all the stuff went down at the beginning of the year with more pics a much longer statement. Same agent so he may have already had it, but I did not go over the top this time like I did last time. Last time was several pics, and paragraph long statement. |
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Posted: 12/10/2022 10:16:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Jae30001 What did you use for your "description"? I was thinking about submitting one with the "No materials will be purchased till Form 1 is approved. Materials will be turned into parts with on hand tooling after Form 1 approval." It's truthful.  Attached FileWhatever you do stay away from that copy paste stuff floating around reddit |
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Posted: 12/10/2022 10:23:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess I'll find out if my tubing and solid stock are already suppressor parts because I thought about making one out of them. Oh, I don't know. Do a bunch of incels making arbitrary and inconsistent determinations in an office building make a legitimate three letter agency? If so, then maybe. |
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Posted: 12/11/2022 1:04:27 PM EDT
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I'm not understanding the logic that most of you are asserting.
You'll write the longest description of either all your machine equip or the fact you won't build until approval, to also include a design drawing, but, for purpose, will simply state "all lawful purposes ". Why not put a similar description for their ridiculous ask? "All laws to be followed, prior to and during the making of said NFA device". Stop giving them precedence and legal ammo for any future restrictions. Just imagine, for the new set of requirements, the ATF states: "Since implementation of the most recent requirements, filers have been very forthcoming with additionally required information. We see no reasons why these newly proposed requirements not be met." 
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Posted: 12/16/2022 8:20:12 PM EDT
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"I will design and 3D print this upon approval"
Thoughts? |
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Posted: 12/17/2022 10:49:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just submitted my F1 for a .22LR can. I included a pic of raw barstock and a piece of sched 40 aluminum pipe and a crude drawing of my plans. In Description, I stated 'ALUMINUM BARSTOCK TO BE TURNED ON LATHE ONLY UPON F1 APPROVAL' IN Reason, I stated 'COST EFFECTIVE HEARING PROTECTION AND ALL LAWFUL PURPOSES'..... This worked! I applied 12/6, mailed my prints 12/7. Prints arrived 12/12 and I got my approval email at 6:06 this morning. 11 days from submittal, only 5 days from receiving my prints. |
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Posted: 12/18/2022 4:08:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This worked! I applied 12/6, mailed my prints 12/7. Prints arrived 12/12 and I got my approval email at 6:06 this morning. 11 days from submittal, only 5 days from receiving my prints. |
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Posted: 12/18/2022 9:26:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you put in a model name or did you leave that blank? I left that blank |
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Posted: 12/19/2022 5:25:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:11 days from submittal That's awesome 
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Posted: 12/21/2022 2:40:29 PM EDT
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how crude of a design are ya'll drawing? We talking napkin drawing, MS Paint, or CAD image? I'm probably going to include a rough sketch showing a tube, spacer, and baffle placement, and write "not to scale - baffle design not finalized". Just wonder how this would go over if I decide to skip doing the baffle and spacer arrangement and did a monocore instead.
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Posted: 12/21/2022 3:30:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: how crude of a design are ya'll drawing? We talking napkin drawing, MS Paint, or CAD image? I'm probably going to include a rough sketch showing a tube, spacer, and baffle placement, and write "not to scale - baffle design not finalized". Just wonder how this would go over if I decide to skip doing the baffle and spacer arrangement and did a monocore instead. Pretty crude! This is what I attached to my application. It's only slightly better than a napkin doodle and would have gotten me a failing grade in shop class. I didn't even bother to break out the ruler to make straight lines.   Attached File Attached File |
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