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Posted: 11/21/2020 9:10:11 PM EDT
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I prefer my AUGs they way Austria intended but the NATO stock should be happy with any STANAG magazine. I do not recall hearing of any issues with a particular brand.
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Posted: 11/21/2020 9:37:23 PM EDT
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Me neither but when I saw that video I came up short and started posting.
Thanks. |
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Posted: 11/21/2020 11:07:06 PM EDT
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Odd that someone recommended PMAGS for supposed reliability when the PMAG is the only mag/NATO stock combination that has been shown to have issues.
I think it was gen 2 pmags that caused chatter on the bolt carrier due to pushing the LRBHO up into the carrier. If I remember right, it wasn't just an AUG related issue, SCARs had the same problem with those mags. I'm a happy camper with USGI mags and would recommend those, but I'm sure the new PMAGs are fine also. |
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Posted: 11/21/2020 11:17:01 PM EDT
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D&H, Okay
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Posted: 11/21/2020 11:24:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it was gen 2 pmags that caused chatter on the bolt carrier due to pushing the LRBHO up into the carrier. If I remember right, it wasn't just an AUG related issue, SCARs had the same problem with those mags. I'm a happy camper with USGI mags and would recommend those, but I'm sure the new PMAGs are fine also. You might be right about that. I know I had some issues with the older PMAGs in a Tavor as well. Pretty sure new PMAGs are good. |
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Posted: 11/22/2020 9:56:39 AM EDT
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I guess I’m set then: I own exactly two pmags but have no idea where they are but am well stocked with AR mags.
Thanks everybody. |
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Posted: 11/22/2020 10:26:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Odd that someone recommended PMAGS for supposed reliability when the PMAG is the only mag/NATO stock combination that has been shown to have issues. I think it was gen 2 pmags that caused chatter on the bolt carrier due to pushing the LRBHO up into the carrier. If I remember right, it wasn't just an AUG related issue, SCARs had the same problem with those mags. I'm a happy camper with USGI mags and would recommend those, but I'm sure the new PMAGs are fine also. What about lancer then? |
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Posted: 11/22/2020 10:41:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Odd that someone recommended PMAGS for supposed reliability when the PMAG is the only mag/NATO stock combination that has been shown to have issues. I think it was gen 2 pmags that caused chatter on the bolt carrier due to pushing the LRBHO up into the carrier. If I remember right, it wasn't just an AUG related issue, SCARs had the same problem with those mags. I'm a happy camper with USGI mags and would recommend those, but I'm sure the new PMAGs are fine also. All pmags except Gen3 cause the issue. It’s the radius on the back of the feed lips. This radius holds the bolt catch elevated and causes it to impact the bolt. It does this with AUGs and SCARs as you mentioned. |
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Posted: 11/22/2020 11:54:05 AM EDT
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NHMTG, Okay, HK, Surefire 60 round sits in well and has been very reliable for me (A3SA CQC)
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Posted: 11/22/2020 1:02:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NHMTG, Okay, HK, Surefire 60 round sits in well and has been very reliable for me (A3SA CQC) May have to get some of those. |
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Posted: 11/22/2020 5:21:37 PM EDT
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The stock was designed for USGI mags (the others didn't exist when that stock came out), and most any of the stamped metal ones, whether aluminum or steel should fit and function just fine.
IIRC Magpul GEN 2's or 3's can have issues with the bolt catch on the NATO stock, so avoid them. Lancers should run fine. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 11/22/2020 11:02:26 PM EDT
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Are these(NATO AUGs)a3s or m1s or both? It’ll be a week maybe before I’m able to pick it up and the anticipation is working me!
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Posted: 11/22/2020 11:33:28 PM EDT
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The Nato stock fits on bott the A3 and M1 receivers. The only difference between the two receivers is the top rail (the M1 has the sling swivel bump on the top front as part of the receiver, the A3 is cut completely horizontal on too of the receiver)
If it is a new gun it is almost certsinly an M1, if it is used it coukd be either of them. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 11/23/2020 9:38:11 AM EDT
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Thank you Sven.
I’m hoping for A3 since I have two Manticore Arms scope mounts for the A3(and now could put them to use on my two a3s, hopefully). I have an a3m1 and really like the 3x scope. |
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Posted: 11/24/2020 11:35:25 AM EDT
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My old TPD AXR clone uses a NATO stock and hammerpack - it came with old school Gen 1 PMAGs but I largely used USGI and original Lancer L5 magazines with it. Never had an issue with any of the three types though, and I ran suppressed, loud, brass case, steel case.
Kent worked with Magpul on the "TMAG", pretty much a Gen 1 PMAG with a translucent polymer formulation. He never reported any issues with the AXR, but supposedly Magpul was never happy with the overall durability and nixed it as an official product. He was pretty happy with the PMAG performance overall on the AXR. |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 11:46:00 PM EDT
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I've used a variety of AR pattern mags on my AUG's both in semi auto and full auto and I have only found one mag not to work.
I love Trokmag and they work great in every gun I've used them in, including full auto, but the Torkmag will not feed in a NATO AUG. The MSAR E4 stock will work with surefire 60rd mags but will not seat a Schmeisser 60 BTW. tsh77769 |
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Posted: 11/27/2020 10:53:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My old TPD AXR clone uses a NATO stock and hammerpack - it came with old school Gen 1 PMAGs but I largely used USGI and original Lancer L5 magazines with it. Never had an issue with any of the three types though, and I ran suppressed, loud, brass case, steel case. Kent worked with Magpul on the "TMAG", pretty much a Gen 1 PMAG with a translucent polymer formulation. He never reported any issues with the AXR, but supposedly Magpul was never happy with the overall durability and nixed it as an official product. He was pretty happy with the PMAG performance overall on the AXR. Unless TPD modified the bolt catch leg that interfaces with the mag follower, use of P-mags most certainly resulted in bolt catch lift which was impacting your carrier and bolt. I used pmags in my NATO stock USR/A2 for around 1k rounds before realizing the bolt catch was dragging on the bolt and carrier. It never caused a failure, but it’s most certainly dragging and use of USGI aluminum mags does not cause it. |
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Posted: 11/27/2020 7:21:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless TPD modified the bolt catch leg that interfaces with the mag follower, use of P-mags most certainly resulted in bolt catch lift which was impacting your carrier and bolt. I used pmags in my NATO stock USR/A2 for around 1k rounds before realizing the bolt catch was dragging on the bolt and carrier. It never caused a failure, but it’s most certainly dragging and use of USGI aluminum mags does not cause it. I’d have to dig it out to see; I’d certainly trust your analysis of the situation though. You’re on the “posters with deeper experience than me” list.  I used them some, but I prefer Lancers and USGI so ran those a lot more. They just fit more of my weird guns overall as well compared to the PMAG. |
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Posted: 11/27/2020 7:53:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d have to dig it out to see; I’d certainly trust your analysis of the situation though. You’re on the “posters with deeper experience than me” list. I used them some, but I prefer Lancers and USGI so ran those a lot more. They just fit more of my weird guns overall as well compared to the PMAG. Ha, thanks. I never had any issues in the AUG, but it definitely occurs. In my SCAR16, it caused a bit of peening of the bolt lug that the catch would hit. Once I noticed that, it caused me to look at the AUG. After that, both the SCAR and the AUG only use USGI aluminum mags. |
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Posted: 11/28/2020 4:07:27 PM EDT
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The NATO I just bought came with a PMAG. Haven't shot it yet.
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Posted: 11/29/2020 11:10:31 AM EDT
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I got my NATO AUG Friday, cleaned her up Saturday and hope to blow her out today.
I’ve got some handloads and I’ll bring a mag of green tips. I’m really hoping for the best. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 11:29:13 AM EDT
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Congradulations
What optic will you be going with? Might i recommend an acog? |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 1:41:54 PM EDT
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Firing for function only, currently.
Appreciate the recommendation though uzimon. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 4:04:55 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Odd that someone recommended PMAGS for supposed reliability when the PMAG is the only mag/NATO stock combination that has been shown to have issues. I think it was gen 2 pmags that caused chatter on the bolt carrier due to pushing the LRBHO up into the carrier. If I remember right, it wasn't just an AUG related issue, SCARs had the same problem with those mags. I'm a happy camper with USGI mags and would recommend those, but I'm sure the new PMAGs are fine also. Does anyone know if the AUG was one of the mags the Magpul E-Mag was designed to accommodate? I loaded up on a bunch of those since I liked the ergos over the Gen 2 & 3 P-Mags |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 5:23:25 PM EDT
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Success.
Fired a GI mag with no issues and my eyeballed PA red dot and it was on at 25 yds so I'm set with my NATO. The M1 is also sighted at 25 but I read about some people are swapping them for better optics so I may look into that in a bit. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 10:42:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anyone know if the AUG was one of the mags the Magpul E-Mag was designed to accommodate? I loaded up on a bunch of those since I liked the ergos over the Gen 2 & 3 P-Mags E-mag has the same permanent bolt catch lift issue as gen1 and gen2 p-mags. The E-mag was designed to accommodate magazine wells that don’t allow the external profile of the traditional P-mag, ie the HK416 and FN F2000. |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 1:55:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anyone know if the AUG was one of the mags the Magpul E-Mag was designed to accommodate? I loaded up on a bunch of those since I liked the ergos over the Gen 2 & 3 P-Mags Internally the Emag are the same as Early pmags. Changes were made only externally to make it more Stanag compatible. OP, you know the rule.. |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 4:58:27 AM EDT
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I used gen2 pmags and have chatter marks all over my bolt carrier. Never failed to load and fire though, but I have since switched to gen3s, surefeeds, and lancers.
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Posted: 11/30/2020 10:51:34 AM EDT
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@Frens
Sorry Boss, my bad. Gettin right on it Boss! |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 11:11:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/30/2020 11:12:17 AM EDT
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Funny, I cam back to this thread to check out some mags for my new friend!
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Posted: 11/30/2020 11:39:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/128645/IMG_0147_JPG-1708182.JPG Holding my breath that she didn't take a header. Nice!!  |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 4:19:22 PM EDT
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I went NATO originally because I have a bunch of the Surefire casket mags. Big fan of them over my D-60s. They fit well in the AUG and are about the same thickness as the stock and help with that pesky bullpup reloading complaint. I'd throw these into the hat for having a few on hand:
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Posted: 12/1/2020 6:08:33 AM EDT
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Thanks Reiko, I’m searching now.
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Posted: 12/3/2020 11:13:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NHMTG, Okay, HK, Surefire 60 round sits in well and has been very reliable for me (A3SA CQC) I looked for some but they’re mostly OOS. The two I saw for sale from individuals were “never live fired”, “just inserted for looks”, so I’m going to stay with OKs. You’ve never had any FTFs. I listened to two YouTube’s this morning and they were fails. |
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Posted: 12/3/2020 11:55:58 AM EDT
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Reiko, what’s the difference between casket mags and D60s? I thought they were the same thing.
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Posted: 12/3/2020 11:37:36 PM EDT
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I have some chatter marks on the bottom of a carrier from using older pmags. But that’s all that ever came from it. No malfunctions of any kind.
Need to square off the back of those older pmags. |
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Posted: 12/4/2020 3:15:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reiko, what’s the difference between casket mags and D60s? I thought they were the same thing. D60 is magpul. Like so https://www.primaryarms.com/magpul-pmag-5-56mm-d-60-drum-magazine-black-mag576-blk Casket isnt a drum style its a surefire quad stack |
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Posted: 12/4/2020 11:20:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about lancer then? Lancers work perfectly in my AUG. |
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