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Posted: 9/10/2018 10:45:21 PM EDT

I dont mean having the suppressor thread onto the compensator either. Just more along the lines of what is the most efficient design to incorporate in the first/blast section that will disrupt the most gas and play nice/work well with the first baffle.

I will incorporate it into the cap, either machine and weld it in or thread it in.

Posted: 9/11/2018 7:36:14 AM EDT

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Do anything to get the gas away from the bore-line.
Sig and Griffin have very simplistic examples.

Just be sure to leave enough material at the forward portion. This will be taking the brunt of muzzle blast and subject to the most erosion.

Sig's brake is 2-piece (food for thought

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Posted: 9/11/2018 8:21:59 AM EDT

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I like the Q Cherry Bomb.

Posted: 9/11/2018 8:28:06 AM EDT

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Just be sure to leave enough material at the forward portion. This will be taking the brunt of muzzle blast and subject to the most erosion.

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It's replaceable so don't worry about it.

Posted: 9/11/2018 10:21:24 AM EDT

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Not if built as the OP specified. That would then fall under replacing a baffle/endcap... no-go for a non-SOT.

Posted: 9/11/2018 10:24:03 AM EDT

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Not if built as the OP specified. That would then fall under replacing a baffle/endcap... no-go for a non-SOT.

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As OP described, integrating it into the can,yes.
I don't see the downside of using an actual QD mount, since mounts explicitly do not fall in that category. The fact that the mount is a re-buildable brake is irrelevant.

Posted: 9/11/2018 11:03:14 AM EDT

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Sig's brake is 2-piece (food for thought

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Oooohhh nice thanks

Posted: 9/11/2018 11:07:35 AM EDT

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Not if built as the OP specified. That would then fall under replacing a baffle/endcap... no-go for a non-SOT.

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It's replaceable so don't worry about it.

Not if built as the OP specified. That would then fall under replacing a baffle/endcap... no-go for a non-SOT.

You're right. It's a bad idea to integrate a mount like that. It removes all of the advantages of having a QD mount and doesn't provide any advantages at all.

Posted: 9/11/2018 11:08:51 AM EDT

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As OP described, integrating it into the can,yes.
I don't see the downside of using an actual QD mount, since mounts explicitly do not fall in that category. The fact that the mount is a re-buildable brake is irrelevant.

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Because I am cheap and I dont like comps on SBRs. Plus I dont have full auto and shoot more subs then supers.
But I can not deny the appeal if you only have a dozen or so rifles to suppress.

BUT the two piece Sig style mentioned does give me a few ideas

Posted: 9/11/2018 11:10:53 AM EDT

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I like the Q Cherry Bomb.

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Which one of these works best, this radial port style, or the large, single chamber style, inside a suppressor?

Posted: 9/11/2018 11:17:31 AM EDT

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Instead of welding and making it a permanent part of the suppressor, rocksett the QD mount to the thread adapter. Then you can change it at will with just a little work but still use it as a direct thread.

Posted: 9/11/2018 11:25:09 AM EDT

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Instead of welding and making it a permanent part of the suppressor, rocksett the QD mount to the thread adapter. Then you can change it at will with just a little work but still use it as a direct thread.

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I like that sig style. so the can will screw to the comp and the comp will unscrew from the barrel. Just like using different barrel bushings for one can on multiple hosts. No rockset needed. Once the comp is off, you are left with basically a thread protector on the end of the barrel.

I think we are agreeing

Posted: 9/12/2018 7:55:29 AM EDT

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Don't worry about what, the <1gram of weight from an additional 50 thou of material?
Just because it's replaceable doesn't mean you do a half-ass job making something

The QD idea isn't a bad one, but only if you actually need it.
I prefer DT as I don't keep swapping hosts during shooting sessions.

Posted: 9/12/2018 8:11:38 AM EDT

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I just bought one of these for a 308 16" Barrel. The price is right. I have yet to try it though.
http://www.kineti-tech.com/kineti-tech-zero-recoil-muzzle-brake-with-13-16-x-16-threaded-sleeve/
The build quality is quite nice. You can also choose different components to build your own. http://www.kineti-tech.com/create-a-2-piece-muzzle-brake-with-cucussion-redirector-sleeve/

Posted: 9/12/2018 8:17:40 AM EDT

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Don't worry about what, the <1gram of weight from an additional 50 thou of material?
Just because it's replaceable doesn't mean you do a half-ass job making something

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It's not half assing it. Making it too thick can create a tunneling effect that can negatively affect accuracy.

Posted: 9/12/2018 8:39:28 AM EDT

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Have a look at JP's Recoil Eliminator.
In ~3/4" of travel, the bullet passes through 2 sections of 1/8" thk steel baffles.
If your accuracy concern had any merit, it wouldn't be ranked as one of the leading brakes for keeping the rifle on target.

Same principle, just added to the internals of a suppressor.

Posted: 9/12/2018 8:45:03 AM EDT

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Have a look at JP's Recoil Eliminator.
In ~3/4" of travel, the bullet passes through 2 sections of 1/8" thk steel baffles.
If your accuracy concern had any merit, it wouldn't be ranked as one of the leading brakes for keeping the rifle on target.

Same principle, just added to the internals of a suppressor.

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An 1/8" baffle isn't too thick.

This is, in my experience. heavy too... I'm glad they came out with more options recently.

Posted: 9/12/2018 9:27:49 AM EDT

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It's not half assing it. Making it too thick can create a tunneling effect that can negatively affect accuracy.

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So in your opinion, what is the best style comp to use, the gill style, radial, one or two chamber.... some of the posted examples are simple, one or two small chamber styles. Is this the best design, the style that works the best in a sealed tube with baffles?

Posted: 9/12/2018 9:28:31 AM EDT

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I just bought one of these for a 308 16" Barrel. The price is right. I have yet to try it though.
http://www.kineti-tech.com/kineti-tech-zero-recoil-muzzle-brake-with-13-16-x-16-threaded-sleeve/
The build quality is quite nice. You can also choose different components to build your own. http://www.kineti-tech.com/create-a-2-piece-muzzle-brake-with-cucussion-redirector-sleeve/

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Neat... thank you

Posted: 9/12/2018 9:42:12 AM EDT

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So in your opinion, what is the best style comp to use, the gill style, radial, one or two chamber.... some of the posted examples are simple, one or two small chamber styles. Is this the best design, the style that works the best in a sealed tube with baffles?

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It's not half assing it. Making it too thick can create a tunneling effect that can negatively affect accuracy.

So in your opinion, what is the best style comp to use, the gill style, radial, one or two chamber.... some of the posted examples are simple, one or two small chamber styles. Is this the best design, the style that works the best in a sealed tube with baffles?

I use Griffin Minimalists and Paladins. I haven't tried all of the radials, but in my experience they overcompensate and push the muzzle down, so I don't care for them.

Posted: 9/12/2018 10:07:22 AM EDT

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Have a look at JP's Recoil Eliminator.
In ~3/4" of travel, the bullet passes through 2 sections of 1/8" thk steel baffles.
If your accuracy concern had any merit, it wouldn't be ranked as one of the leading brakes for keeping the rifle on target.

Same principle, just added to the internals of a suppressor.

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Hmmm. The biggest hurdle here would be keeping the bore aligned along the centerline of the can and the rest of the baffle stack. But this has to be the most efficient at stripping expanding gas.... or is not used because it does not play well with baffles?

Posted: 9/12/2018 10:23:18 AM EDT

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Hmmm. The biggest hurdle here would be keeping the bore aligned along the centerline of the can and the rest of the baffle stack. But this has to be the most efficient at stripping expanding gas.... or is not used because it does not play well with baffles?

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I'd imagine it's not used because the tube is turned the wrong way to make a conventional suppressor

Posted: 9/12/2018 10:51:56 AM EDT

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I'd imagine it's not used because the tube is turned the wrong way to make a conventional suppressor

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/XmMAAOSwsW9YyNFA/s-l300.jpg

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imagine that turned down and used in the blast section/ before the first baffle, or even fabricated in a tubular shape, but preserving the large, concave blast surfaces. Would it strip a lot of gas? Would it work with the baffle stack? If you whittle enough of it down, it would resemble a gill comp. Hmmmm

Posted: 9/12/2018 10:55:52 AM EDT

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Hmmm. The biggest hurdle here would be keeping the bore aligned along the centerline of the can and the rest of the baffle stack. But this has to be the most efficient at stripping expanding gas.... or is not used because it does not play well with baffles?

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The design is best due to redirecting the gas perpendicular to projectile path.
It's essentially the same as the Sig and Griffin, in my first post, but, clearly, using far greater surface are to achieve effectiveness. Any brake with this similar pattern should attain a promising level of success. I recommended those 2 due to their shorter length, allowing for an increase in baffle count.

Posted: 9/28/2018 3:02:05 PM EDT

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I'll be doing something similar on a can for my dad (we're both on the trust) for the same reasons. He has a bolt action hunting rifle that he does not want a brake or flash hider on, just threads. I'll be rocksetting a GA Minimalist or Paladin into the adapter, so it won't be permanent. All of my centerfire cans are set up for GA QD mounts, so its easier to stay that route.

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