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Posted: 5/20/2020 10:11:58 AM EDT
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We can currently get you into a White Phosphor high performance grade BNVD for less than the amount you stated. Manual gain control, autogated, full featured unit with individual channel (tube) shutoff when one tube is rolled up to the side (or both) and when it's flipped up in a helmet mount.
Built in an ISO9001 certified factory, the originator of the 10 year warranty. And you won't be charged until it's ready to ship. Currently a little backed up on BNVDs but it's getting a little better right now, either way, your not out a penny till it's on it's way to you. Feel free to give me a call, PM or email with any questions. Thanks Robert |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 10:39:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lowdown3: We can currently get you into a White Phosphor high performance grade BNVD for less than the amount you stated. Manual gain control, autogated, full featured unit with individual channel (tube) shutoff when one tube is rolled up to the side (or both) and when it's flipped up in a helmet mount. Built in an ISO9001 certified factory, the originator of the 10 year warranty. And you won't be charged until it's ready to ship. Currently a little backed up on BNVDs but it's getting a little better right now, either way, your not out a penny till it's on it's way to you. Feel free to give me a call, PM or email with any questions. Thanks Robert Interesting! Well if that's the case then maybe some WP tubes are for me! |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 10:41:18 AM EDT
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Quoted: Ive been saving my pennies for a few years and Im just about ready to commit I feel my bucks are either going to go to TNVC or JRH due to the warranties they offer as well as being site sponsors. As far as specs go, I dont really understand all that too much. I know my tapping out number is right around 8k so it seems like some green tubes are the way to go. I just dont feel I can honestly justify the few k more for some WP tubes. But I certainly want to buy the best for my money as I want these to last atleast a decade. Ive played with some WP and honestly it didnt blow me away like I anticipated, that said I have no idea on the tube specs. All I could do was compare it to my circa 2012 PVS14. But man theres some really different options out there. From the DNVG to the RNVG all the way to the MOD3. I love the fact that the RNVG is aluminum because I beat things up pretty easily. I also love the MOD3 can come apart to throw my fiancée or friend a tube to play with. As mentioned above I do have a PVS14 currently, but I was thinking of maybe selling it to offset the costs, but maybe not too. Then there are the DNVG that have the swing away feature. I personally dont feel I would use that feature a ton, but hey others with dual NODs say its an important feature. It leaves me with a lot to digest. Especially considering the price of these things not to mention the fact that I cant really try them all out first either. I feel I gravitate towards the RNVG the most, but as mentioned I see pros to the other duals out there as well. So what should I do? I really want to end up being satisfied with my purchase and not have any lingering thoughts of if I should have rolled with a different option All 3 of those systems are great for their own reasons but generally I recommend the RNVG or the DTNVG. Both have the same optical quality so you are not gaining or losing anything on that end, you are paying for the features of the housing. If you value ruggedness and reliability over everything else the RNVG is the way. If you need articulation and the shut off features the DTNVG is going to be the one for you, but may blow your budget. We arent the cheapest game in town often times if you want cheap well there are other places to go, what we at TNVC are, are SME's and End users just like our customers, I'm using this stuff professionally and recreationally, just like you and I (we) arent going to sell folks shady janky bullshit and swindle them out of their hard earned money. We offer a Lifetime Warranty on our systems (10 years on the tube) and the warranty is transferable should you sell the unit for whatever reason. If you need some serious in depth knowledge on tubes specs and Image intensification Tech check these out. You arent going to find this knowledge from any other NV retailer. knowledge Also, if you are willing to wait there is something on the horizon from our sister company Night Goggles that will knock your socks off in the coming weeks. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 11:23:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC_Sam: Something on the horizon from Night Goggles that will knock your socks off.  Go on... |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 11:29:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackPeterbilt: Go on... Mums the word. And I dont mean MUM-14's, those things will give your kids autism. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 11:31:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackPeterbilt: Go on... This |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 11:37:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC_Sam: Mums the word. And I dont mean MUM-14's, those things will give your kids autism. Time is on my side on this one Im wanting to pull the trigger by the end of the year certainly. Would be nice to have it during the end of summer/fall to get some real use out of them however but that's not how it has to go down. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 12:13:45 PM EDT
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So on the MOD3 through TNVC. Does that price include the complete system ready to break apart or is those single tube power supplies extra?
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Posted: 5/20/2020 12:22:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lowdown3: We can currently get you into a White Phosphor high performance grade BNVD for less than the amount you stated. Manual gain control, autogated, full featured unit with individual channel (tube) shutoff when one tube is rolled up to the side (or both) and when it's flipped up in a helmet mount. Built in an ISO9001 certified factory, the originator of the 10 year warranty. And you won't be charged until it's ready to ship. Currently a little backed up on BNVDs but it's getting a little better right now, either way, your not out a penny till it's on it's way to you. Feel free to give me a call, PM or email with any questions. Thanks Robert Always good info Robert. What is the current lead time on a setup like that, out of curiosity? |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 12:36:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mashir: Always good info Robert. What is the current lead time on a setup like that, out of curiosity? Not Robert, but I ordered through him. Im at 5 weeks and two days for my BNVD-SG High performance+ white order. When I inquired with NV Devices, after seeing an email they sent another customer who wanted to put in a new order, they told me they should be able to ship the unit by the end of this week which would be a little under 6 weeks. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 12:44:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mashir: Always good info Robert. What is the current lead time on a setup like that, out of curiosity? There was the massive rush in March and April and then a shortage of a critical component that just arrived end of last week so they are flowing now but there is a good size backlog to fill currently. Because of that we are still quoting 4-6 weeks but you are NOT charged until the order is ready to ship. After the backlog is broke I'm assuming we will be back to 3-4 weeks as normal. The backlog on PVS14 WP HP+ units is done now and we've seen a couple orders for those ship in less than a week. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 12:46:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NighthawkCx: Not Robert, but I ordered through him. Im at 5 weeks and two days for my BNVD-SG High performance+ white order. When I inquired with NV Devices, after seeing an email they sent another customer who wanted to put in a new order, they told me they should be able to ship the unit by the end of this week which would be a little under 6 weeks. I'm at 4 weeks, 5 days for the same order. 
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Posted: 5/20/2020 1:47:25 PM EDT
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Emails and PMs sent with batting order :) Thanks again!
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Posted: 5/20/2020 9:43:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chase45: So on the MOD3 through TNVC. Does that price include the complete system ready to break apart or is those single tube power supplies extra? Mod-3s ordered as a set come with the bridge and two single tube battery compartments. I got Mod-3s because I have too many friends without NODs and I was tired of playing in the dark alone. If you're not ever going to separate them I'd get one of the more traditional binos. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 9:48:38 PM EDT
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The power packs are included aswell.
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Posted: 5/20/2020 11:46:40 PM EDT
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BNVDs for $6900 currently from Robert seems pretty legit.
On a side note I’ll sell you my RNVGs so I can buy those BNVDs 
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Posted: 5/21/2020 12:16:49 AM EDT
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Looks like the WP BNVDS from JRH obviously exceeds your criteria and you'll be saving money to boot, but do your homework, compare price, specs, features and I'm sure you'll come to easy decision between all the systems mentioned from both vendors.
For me the Mod3B are to heavy and after 5 mins of use my neck starts to hurt. The RNVGs are extremely durable and you'll probably damage tube from a drop before the housing will break and I wish they still had the AA battery model, but they where having issues so the CR123 is the only option for an on board battery. In the future I plan to build a RNVG, but for now the BNVD checked all of my boxes of requirements. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 8:18:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Idayote: BNVDs for $6900 currently from Robert seems pretty legit. Check the price again on Friday the 22nd  4 days only. Added- the White Phosphor High Performance grade units will be on sale then also, in the full featured BNVD platform with single gain control and 10 year warranty. And a large number of BNVDs shipping today, so the backlog is starting to go away as well. I look forward to getting back to high spec dual tube units shipping in just a couple weeks soon!!!! |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 8:45:37 AM EDT
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You can get a high spec Elbit WP RNVG for $7500 or less.
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Posted: 5/21/2020 8:56:14 AM EDT
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So what sorta specs should I be expecting for my budget of around 8K?
I think Im on board with the thin filmed WP |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 9:10:38 AM EDT
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I'm right there with you chase.
since the start of the year ive been putting money back but this whole pandemic has set me back so by the end of summer I should be around to popping the trigger (aiming to have 9k total to spend). I really like RNVG's because they are tough, and BNVD's look cool. But the more I think about it the more I dont know. I am still leaning 80% toward RNVG's. Everybody talks about articulation and being able to flip one eye out, but I dont know that I would ever use that? I cant really think of a situation when I would need to roll one out of the way? If it's dark, I want to be using both tubes to be able to see. If I roll one out of the way its still going to be dark and im not going to be able to see until my eye adjusts from looking through a WP tube to darkness. If its light enough to see with one rolled out of the way then why am I looking through nods, for that matter why not just use the PVS14 I already have  If im working in thick brush and woods - where I typically do my "nodding" on my property and need to navigate the tree's and bushes infront of my chances are I would just flip the whole thing up, I would think? In which case just makes the point of RNVG's even stronger. then again ive never even looked through dual tubes, so I'm mostly here for the info. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 9:30:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xLucidx: I'm right there with you chase. since the start of the year ive been putting money back but this whole pandemic has set me back so by the end of summer I should be around to popping the trigger (aiming to have 9k total to spend). I really like RNVG's because they are tough, and BNVD's look cool. But the more I think about it the more I dont know. I am still leaning 80% toward RNVG's. Everybody talks about articulation and being able to flip one eye out, but I dont know that I would ever use that? I cant really think of a situation when I would need to roll one out of the way? If it's dark, I want to be using both tubes to be able to see. If I roll one out of the way its still going to be dark and im not going to be able to see until my eye adjusts from looking through a WP tube to darkness. If its light enough to see with one rolled out of the way then why am I looking through nods, for that matter why not just use the PVS14 I already have If im working in thick brush and woods - where I typically do my "nodding" on my property and need to navigate the tree's and bushes infront of my chances are I would just flip the whole thing up, I would think? In which case just makes the point of RNVG's even stronger. then again ive never even looked through dual tubes, so I'm mostly here for the info. Its certainly a ton to digest. I just want to ensure Im satisfied with this large of a purchase with no lingering thoughts of what if this or that It sounds like we are in a similar spot |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 9:37:15 AM EDT
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No doubt about it, the RNVG is the pickup truck of the dual tube NV world, made int he USA, its tougher than anything out there, reliable, actually packs in some desirable features and comes in at an extremely low price point all things considered, and like i mentioned Night Goggles has an ace or two up its sleeves that folks will really dig, i know I liked it.
I own 2 sets of RNVG's and rent them out at Greenline classes, and as long as you don't absolutely need articulation it is the fixed bridge goggle system to go with, its also pretty lightweight considering its made out of metal. I prefer a 3v power source in a dual tube system for battery life over AA models. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 10:00:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC_Sam: No doubt about it, the RNVG is the pickup truck of the dual tube NV world, made int he USA, its tougher than anything out there, reliable, actually packs in some desirable features and comes in at an extremely low price point all things considered, and like i mentioned Night Goggles has an ace or two up its sleeves that folks will really dig, i know I liked it. I own 2 sets of RNVG's and rent them out at Greenline classes, and as long as you don't absolutely need articulation it is the fixed bridge goggle system to go with, its also pretty lightweight considering its made out of metal. I prefer a 3v power source in a dual tube system for battery life over AA models. considering I have never looked through dual tubes, what are some of the reasons people need articulation? I'm looking for those examples like "well if I didnt have articulation I wouldnt have been able to do this" or would have made it more difficult. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 10:13:24 AM EDT
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It often helps transitioning from a PVS14 or other single tube to a dual tube set. I've had many folks say that helped with the transition.
If you need to work white light on a close up task you can roll one up, use the white light and maintain the other tube down to be able to look out for more situational awareness. I use it a lot checking targets when we are getting everyone zeroed with their IR lasers. Put the left to normal focus, put the right to fine focus to check targets. When we walk up to check targets I pivot the left up, the right down and I don't have to screw with the focus each time. Could be applied to plenty of close focus tasks that would need to be done while also keeping one tube normal focus for scanning for threats, etc. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 10:20:04 AM EDT
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Vehicle work is a big reason for articulation, meaning you can run the NV down but rolled out to the sides, so that you can look under the eye pods but not have a large blocky object that is banging into the roof or other parts of the vehicle when entering and exiting.
The ability to look through scopes and other optical devices is nice to have. Fixed bridge at 00:49 sec, Articulating goggles (thats me) at 1:45 sec rolled out to the sides, clears scope and doesn't bump or knock into the optic. CNVD Friday Night fight Club |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 10:32:01 AM EDT
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Read this thread about tubes. it talks about thin filmed vs filmless. Page two has some info on his and others opinions.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/2728-FOM-Filmless-L3-WP-vs-2698-FOM-Elbit-XLSH-w-pics-and-videos-updated-with-more-pics-/18-511103/ |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 10:51:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can get a high spec Elbit WP RNVG for $7500 or less. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 11:29:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xLucidx: considering I have never looked through dual tubes, what are some of the reasons people need articulation? I'm looking for those examples like "well if I didnt have articulation I wouldnt have been able to do this" or would have made it more difficult. I think the articulation feature/benefit is most obvious in vehicles or inside tight areas, etc. vs bumping your stowed fixed goggle into stuff. It's also more comfortable to stow it folded flat or roll them up to your eyebrows if you'll be wearing them for extended periods without taking off your helmet. I thought articulated/rolled up was more comfortable than stowing flat if the helmet is balanced correctly. Rolling one up to look through a thermal handheld and the little stuff like rolling one up to quickly see/read/etc. unaided instead of leaning your head back and looking under your goggle is also nice. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 12:02:45 PM EDT
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Well the more I looked at specs and this and that the more I got a headache
Ordered the hp thin film wp through jrh today. So I'm just going to let him take the reins and get me into a good rig spec wise Thanks for the help from everyone involved. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 12:20:43 PM EDT
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Appreciate your business, thanks again!
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Posted: 5/21/2020 1:11:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC_Sam: The power packs are included aswell. RNVGS? I’m still debating between those And the Act In Blacks. I have a few more days to figure it out. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 1:31:00 PM EDT
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MOD3
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Posted: 5/21/2020 2:20:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well the more I looked at specs and this and that the more I got a headache Ordered the hp thin film wp through jrh today. So I'm just going to let him take the reins and get me into a good rig spec wise Thanks for the help from everyone involved. BNVDs? |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 2:25:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BNVDs? Yep BNVDs. I rolled with the thin filmed hp WPs Very excited Robert has been very helpful and a straight up guy |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 3:53:09 PM EDT
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TNVC: What's the quicker of the two to build and get to the customer, between the RNVG and the DTNVG? What's the expected wait time?
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Posted: 5/21/2020 4:26:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep BNVDs. I rolled with the thin filmed hp WPs Very excited Robert has been very helpful and a straight up guy Those Elbit WP tubes are nice for the price. Good performance per dollar. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 4:46:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those Elbit WP tubes are nice for the price. Good performance per dollar. I believe Ill be pretty happy. Im just not sure I could justify the unfilmed although I do see where it is a bit better in the other thread someone linked over. As long as it kicks my old PVS14s ass(which Im sure it will) Im going to be a really happy guy May as well leave this thread running and Ill drop what I get when I get it. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 5:06:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: TNVC: What's the quicker of the two to build and get to the customer, between the RNVG and the DTNVG? What's the expected wait time? This. I REALLY want a DTNVG with unfilmed tubes but I am very hesitant because of the quoted wait time... |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 5:54:44 PM EDT
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The lead time is not really any different between the two, as what you're really "fighting" against is how many people are in line ahead of you and the build schedule is organized by tube type, not by housing.
Needless to say, we are always working to reduce our lead times, however the "Pandemic Panic" rush has certainly set some of our leads time back further than we'd like them to be, but we are working back through them to get them down again. FWIW--I would think of it this way: If they were all the same price, almost everyone would choose UF WP tubes. But they're not, so you need to consider how much the added performance is worth to you. This is basic "Buying Shit 101." At the same time, say if you're looking at say $7,500 that someone said they could find Elbit TF WP RNVGs (unknown vendor/tube performance standards) for, versus $8,700 for L3Harris MIL-SPEC or better UF WP RNVGs (TNVC, natch), sure, $1,200 could be considered a significant difference in price. But if you consider the service life of a set of NVGs, even conservatively at 10 years, which at a 10,000 hour MTTF, would require you to use your NV for 2.74 hours per night every single night for ten years, that comes out to an extra $120 a year/$10 mo., less than a Standard Netflix subscription. Is that worth it to you? Only you can decide that. The answer may be "yes," it may be "no," but it can help to put things into perspective a little bit as well. Ultimately the top of the line UF WP units are going to hold their value best as well if such things are important to you (it's not really to me, but I know it is to some...). ~Augee |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 5:55:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe Ill be pretty happy. Im just not sure I could justify the unfilmed although I do see where it is a bit better in the other thread someone linked over. As long as it kicks my old PVS14s ass(which Im sure it will) Im going to be a really happy guy May as well leave this thread running and Ill drop what I get when I get it. You should be more than happy. Even my new echos kick my old 14s ass. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 7:13:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The lead time is not really any different between the two, as what you're really "fighting" against is how many people are in line ahead of you and the build schedule is organized by tube type, not by housing. Needless to say, we are always working to reduce our lead times, however the "Pandemic Panic" rush has certainly set some of our leads time back further than we'd like them to be, but we are working back through them to get them down again. FWIW--I would think of it this way: If they were all the same price, almost everyone would choose UF WP tubes. But they're not, so you need to consider how much the added performance is worth to you. This is basic "Buying Shit 101." At the same time, say if you're looking at say $7,500 that someone said they could find Elbit TF WP RNVGs (unknown vendor/tube performance standards) for, versus $8,700 for L3Harris MIL-SPEC or better UF WP RNVGs (TNVC, natch), sure, $1,200 could be considered a significant difference in price. But if you consider the service life of a set of NVGs, even conservatively at 10 years, which at a 10,000 hour MTTF, would require you to use your NV for 2.74 hours per night every single night for ten years, that comes out to an extra $120 a year/$10 mo., less than a Standard Netflix subscription. Is that worth it to you? Only you can decide that. The answer may be "yes," it may be "no," but it can help to put things into perspective a little bit as well. Ultimately the top of the line UF WP units are going to hold their value best as well if such things are important to you (it's not really to me, but I know it is to some...). ~Augee Interesting... I am actually interested in a DTNVG with L3 unflimed WP tubes. $7500 or $11k. Cost isn't the issue for me. I'm just a wee bit hesitant to want to park $10k for 18 weeks with no nods. I am not concerned with cost, tubes, housing or any of that. BUT, if I can get a comparable housing that might not be my first choice and shave 10 weeks or 15 weeks off the lead time AND be a bit cheaper then that gets my attention. That's putting things into perspective in my situation. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 8:13:55 PM EDT
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If it seems to good to be true in the NV realm it usually is.
YMMV |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 8:30:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. I REALLY want a DTNVG with unfilmed tubes but I am very hesitant because of the quoted wait time... Ask around at different reputable vendors. I started asking around last Friday and I should have my set here Saturday. Not knocking TNVC because their high demand is for a reason, but there are at least a few other reputable vendors out there. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 8:57:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting... I am actually interested in a DTNVG with L3 unflimed WP tubes. $7500 or $11k. Cost isn't the issue for me. I'm just a wee bit hesitant to want to park $10k for 18 weeks with no nods. I am not concerned with cost, tubes, housing or any of that. BUT, if I can get a comparable housing that might not be my first choice and shave 10 weeks or 15 weeks off the lead time AND be a bit cheaper then that gets my attention. That's putting things into perspective in my situation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting... I am actually interested in a DTNVG with L3 unflimed WP tubes. $7500 or $11k. Cost isn't the issue for me. I'm just a wee bit hesitant to want to park $10k for 18 weeks with no nods. I am not concerned with cost, tubes, housing or any of that. BUT, if I can get a comparable housing that might not be my first choice and shave 10 weeks or 15 weeks off the lead time AND be a bit cheaper then that gets my attention. That's putting things into perspective in my situation. Quoted: Quoted: This. I REALLY want a DTNVG with unfilmed tubes but I am very hesitant because of the quoted wait time... Ask around at different reputable vendors. I started asking around last Friday and I should have my set here Saturday. Not knocking TNVC because their high demand is for a reason, but there are at least a few other reputable vendors out there. Some vendors here don't list all the tubes available with their Binos. Making a simple call can save you a lot of time, money, give you a lot of difference options that will fit your requirements and budget. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 9:56:00 PM EDT
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I mean, I get it.
I’ll sometimes pay more for a product that’s available with Prime shipping than wait longer for it. At the same time, and again, you’re talking about a product that you’re going to spend $10K on, that you could easily use for the next 10+ years, the only reason you wouldn’t is because you sold it before then for some reason, whether it’s because you got bored, to upgrade, or you just needed the cash. For better or worse, each of our systems is what in the 1911 world would be called a “semi-custom” build, which could have comparable if not longer lead times, and we collectively wait anywhere from 4-9 or more months to get suppressors for a background check that takes five minutes to do. Again, waiting sucks, and I wholly understand anyone that doesn’t want to do it, at the same time, it feels like every time we try to expand our capacity, it’s cool for a couple months, and then the lead times catch right back up—and we’re not alone, L3Harris’ lead time on a BNVD (PVS-31A) is 120-180 days ARO and has been for years (a large part of the reason they’re not commercially available). That being said, while the website point of sale mechanics are set up such that your card is charged when you purchase a product, whether or not it’s on backorder, anyone is more than welcome to call or e-mail us to work out other payment arrangements to prevent “parking” your cash as well. ~Augee |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 11:28:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting... I am actually interested in a DTNVG with L3 unflimed WP tubes. $7500 or $11k. Cost isn't the issue for me. I'm just a wee bit hesitant to want to park $10k for 18 weeks with no nods. I am not concerned with cost, tubes, housing or any of that. BUT, if I can get a comparable housing that might not be my first choice and shave 10 weeks or 15 weeks off the lead time AND be a bit cheaper then that gets my attention. That's putting things into perspective in my situation. For $7500 I’d wonder if they are 1701 tubes. Not that that’s bad or anything if you know what you are getting. But it’s important to make sure it’s an apples to apples comparison as the higher priced ones are likely 18 or 20 tubes ETA: everyone and their mom needs L3 18 and 20 tubes right now. If a retailer has a unit in hand, it will sell. And petty much everyone sells them for materially the same price all things considered. If someone is offering you something for thousands less than everyone else, that should make you want to research a little more. What sam said couldn’t be more true |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 11:49:53 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For $7500 I’d wonder if they are 1701 tubes. Not that that’s bad or anything if you know what you are getting. But it’s important to make sure it’s an apples to apples comparison as the higher priced ones are likely 18 or 20 tubes ETA: everyone and their mom needs L3 18 and 20 tubes right now. If a retailer has a unit in hand, it will sell. And petty much everyone sells them for materially the same price all things considered. If someone is offering you something for thousands less than everyone else, that should make you want to research a little more. What sam said couldn’t be more true Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Interesting... I am actually interested in a DTNVG with L3 unflimed WP tubes. $7500 or $11k. Cost isn't the issue for me. I'm just a wee bit hesitant to want to park $10k for 18 weeks with no nods. I am not concerned with cost, tubes, housing or any of that. BUT, if I can get a comparable housing that might not be my first choice and shave 10 weeks or 15 weeks off the lead time AND be a bit cheaper then that gets my attention. That's putting things into perspective in my situation. For $7500 I’d wonder if they are 1701 tubes. Not that that’s bad or anything if you know what you are getting. But it’s important to make sure it’s an apples to apples comparison as the higher priced ones are likely 18 or 20 tubes ETA: everyone and their mom needs L3 18 and 20 tubes right now. If a retailer has a unit in hand, it will sell. And petty much everyone sells them for materially the same price all things considered. If someone is offering you something for thousands less than everyone else, that should make you want to research a little more. What sam said couldn’t be more true I was just making a point on cost and what you say reaffirms my thoughts. I can get on tacswap or instagram and find any number of home built setups with a wide variety of tubes and so forth. I’ve had a few and I’ve been pleasantly surprised and also let down. For this purchase I’m going to be working with TNVC as the warranty and transparency and so forth go a long ways with me. We’ve had some interesting developments in the NVG industry as of late and that further guides me back to a known ‘known’. Not the cheapest or fastest but it makes me the most comfortable with that type of spend. @TNVC_Augee we’ll be in touch. |
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Posted: 5/22/2020 9:00:10 PM EDT
[#49]
I just received my BNVD-ULs with Elbit WP tubes yesterday, ordered April 10th. I told Robert I wanted SN: 32 or better and 72 lp/mm or better res. I could have asked for more but it likely would have increased my wait time significantly.
Here’s the specs from my two tubes: Tube 1 SN: 34.4 72 lp/mm FOM: 2476.8 EBI: 1.26 Halo: 0.69 Tube 2 SN: 33.2 72 lp/mm FOM: 2390.4 EBI: 0.91 Halo: 0.69 Overall, I’m incredibly happy as these are the best tubes I’ve ever owned, the BNVD-ULs are a fantastic system, and buying from JRH was a great experience. |
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Posted: 5/22/2020 9:06:55 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just received my BNVD-ULs with Elbit WP tubes yesterday, ordered April 10th. I told Robert I wanted SN: 32 or better and 72 lp/mm or better res. I could have asked for more but it likely would have increased my wait time significantly. Here’s the specs from my two tubes: Tube 1 SN: 34.4 72 lp/mm FOM: 2476.8 EBI: 1.26 Halo: 0.69 Tube 2 SN: 33.2 72 lp/mm FOM: 2390.4 EBI: 0.91 Halo: 0.69 Overall, I’m incredibly happy as these are the best tubes I’ve ever owned, the BNVD-ULs are a fantastic system, and buying from JRH was a great experience. Nice! Are those WHP+ spec? |
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