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Posted: 5/15/2018 3:45:58 PM EDT
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Your only other options are the ASR mount or direct thread. I’m not too happy with any of my ASR mounts.
For the bolt gun I would definitely go direct thread. |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 3:52:58 PM EDT
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3 lug on the MP5.
For the .308 and the ARs, you can either direct thread or QD. For QD, either ASR or Dead Air Key-Mo. If direct thread you'll need a 5/8x24 mount (comes in the box, don't buy an extra) and then for 5.56 ARs a 1/2x28 direct thread mount. Going QD, you need either the ASR mount or the Dead Air Key-Mo mount. Then each rifle needs a muzzle device to go with the mount of choice. Cheap - 1x 3-lug mount, 1 1/2x28 direct thread mount. Better - 1x 3-lug mount, 1 QD mount (ASR or Key-Mo), 3x muzzle devices of the correct thread pitch. |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 3:53:04 PM EDT
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Would you guys suggest going with the Dead Air Key-Mo mounting system over the ASR?
I am not invested in either mounting system, and I'm not sure what suppressor will be next |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 3:59:54 PM EDT
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Keymo works with the hybrid?
Keymo > asr |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 4:47:07 PM EDT
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Keymo works with the hybrid? Keymo > asr |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 4:51:23 PM EDT
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I know I need 9mm, 7.62 and 5.56 end caps... You don't need any of those... Most I would do is buy a 7.62 to use on 7.62 & 5.56. Keep the factory one on for 9mm and up. |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 5:38:14 PM EDT
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I put the omega anchor brake on mine because it's very much lighter than the factory endcap. You could also go the route of bigwaylons machinist and get a Ti endcap.
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Posted: 5/15/2018 6:13:18 PM EDT
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You don't need any of those... Most I would do is buy a 7.62 to use on 7.62 & 5.56. Keep the factory one on for 9mm and up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know I need 9mm, 7.62 and 5.56 end caps... You don't need any of those... Most I would do is buy a 7.62 to use on 7.62 & 5.56. Keep the factory one on for 9mm and up. Is it like a minuscule amount of sound reduction? Or would it be noticeable? $60 a pop ain't too bad I guess the worst thing would be switching between them after each range session (I usually only shoot 1-2 calibers per range trip) |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 6:20:32 PM EDT
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I would love to go key mo with mine, but they don't make the thread patterns I need and Silencer Co ASR does.
As far as the end caps if you going to shoot multiple calibers per trip just mount the smallest that will pass through all the bullets you plan to shoot. If you forget to change the end cap your going to have a strike that will cause damage. If you going to shoot one caliber the majority of the time I could see getting the end cap for that caliber, but in your case it seems like end caps would not be the best idea. |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 6:27:17 PM EDT
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i had two omegas before my hybrid so i was pretty invested in asr mounts, hybrid with asr was a no brainer for me. about 15-20 of my ar types have either a f/h or brake as does my 10ba. its easy to swap cans between hosts (except hybrid on handguns). i never swapped endcaps on any of mine. mostly shoot 5.56, x39, 300bo, 6.5g, .308 in my omegas and my hybrid mostly lives on my 6" ar9
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Posted: 5/15/2018 11:33:31 PM EDT
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You could start as simple as a 556 front cap, and a $25 Precision Armament thread adapter to reduce the included 5/8-24 direct thread to 1/2-28 for ARs. The 556 front cap makes the biggest difference of all of them, and the included 46 front cap does well on 9mm and 308. Of those two, get the 9mm because it's only maybe 10 thousandths bigger than the 308.
As far as ASR vs Keymo the trade is Keymo is a little longer, a little heavier, and a little more expensive for a mount that requires almost no attention. ASR is prone to a few operator errors, but is shorter, lighter, cheaper, and has more available thread pitches. So if a 458 Socom or FAL or HK is in your line-up the ASR mounts are more available. But if your barrels only come in 5/8-24 or 1/2-28 that's a wash. |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 1:19:32 AM EDT
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You could start as simple as a 556 front cap, and a $25 Precision Armament thread adapter to reduce the included 5/8-24 direct thread to 1/2-28 for ARs. The 556 front cap makes the biggest difference of all of them, and the included 46 front cap does well on 9mm and 308. Of those two, get the 9mm because it's only maybe 10 thousandths bigger than the 308. As far as ASR vs Keymo the trade is Keymo is a little longer, a little heavier, and a little more expensive for a mount that requires almost no attention. ASR is prone to a few operator errors, but is shorter, lighter, cheaper, and has more available thread pitches. So if a 458 Socom or FAL or HK is in your line-up the ASR mounts are more available. But if your barrels only come in 5/8-24 or 1/2-28 that's a wash. I only direct thread so I have no experience on the mount options. |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 7:27:19 AM EDT
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You could start as simple as a 556 front cap, and a $25 Precision Armament thread adapter to reduce the included 5/8-24 direct thread to 1/2-28 for ARs. The 556 front cap makes the biggest difference of all of them, and the included 46 front cap does well on 9mm and 308. Of those two, get the 9mm because it's only maybe 10 thousandths bigger than the 308. As far as ASR vs Keymo the trade is Keymo is a little longer, a little heavier, and a little more expensive for a mount that requires almost no attention. ASR is prone to a few operator errors, but is shorter, lighter, cheaper, and has more available thread pitches. So if a 458 Socom or FAL or HK is in your line-up the ASR mounts are more available. But if your barrels only come in 5/8-24 or 1/2-28 that's a wash. Direct thread for my two ARs and bolt gun would be pretty nice. |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 10:06:09 AM EDT
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You don't think the small amount of sound reduction would be worth it? Is it like a minuscule amount of sound reduction? Or would it be noticeable? $60 a pop ain't too bad I guess the worst thing would be switching between them after each range session (I usually only shoot 1-2 calibers per range trip) 
The odds of you eventually shooting the wrong caliber through an end cap is pretty high. Most people can't tell the difference in swapping end caps. I've entered my F1 cans and actually had one get louder with a smaller bore end cap. |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 10:17:33 AM EDT
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I can't argue much with BigWaylon. I'm not a fan of "extra parts." I have too many as it is--- I have dedicated cans for guns and they're set up in a specific way. If I want to head out with one, I grab it and go.
That being said, there are some guys who like tinkering and playing around with things--- there's nothing wrong with that. Just a different preference with guns. I WILL say the 5.56 end cap is a big difference at the muzzle. The rest are pretty minor. |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 11:19:02 AM EDT
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No, I don't think it's worth it...which is why I said it.
The odds of you eventually shooting the wrong caliber through an end cap is pretty high. Most people can't tell the difference in swapping end caps. I've entered my F1 cans and actually had one get louder with a smaller bore end cap. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You don't think the small amount of sound reduction would be worth it? Is it like a minuscule amount of sound reduction? Or would it be noticeable? $60 a pop ain't too bad I guess the worst thing would be switching between them after each range session (I usually only shoot 1-2 calibers per range trip)
The odds of you eventually shooting the wrong caliber through an end cap is pretty high. Most people can't tell the difference in swapping end caps. I've entered my F1 cans and actually had one get louder with a smaller bore end cap. The would probably save me from a baffle strike 
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Posted: 5/16/2018 4:20:08 PM EDT
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There is no issue with an adapter since there are wrench flats inside the SiCo direct thread mount and wrench flats on the exposed flange of the Precision Armament thread adapter. The 556 front cap is 0.300 bore so as long as your barrels shoulders are square to the bore run-out from tolerance stack shoukdnt be an issue. The main risk with direct thread is the can getting lose. For a permanant location carbon buildup reduces this but since you'll be swapping cans around on to different hosts you'll want to give a twist periodically. Every 5-10 rounds at first to see how well the can stays put. A silicone oven mitt is handy.
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Posted: 5/17/2018 2:04:54 PM EDT
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There is no issue with an adapter since there are wrench flats inside the SiCo direct thread mount and wrench flats on the exposed flange of the Precision Armament thread adapter. The 556 front cap is 0.300 bore so as long as your barrels shoulders are square to the bore run-out from tolerance stack shoukdnt be an issue. The main risk with direct thread is the can getting lose. For a permanant location carbon buildup reduces this but since you'll be swapping cans around on to different hosts you'll want to give a twist periodically. Every 5-10 rounds at first to see how well the can stays put. A silicone oven mitt is handy. I was hoping to avoid the added weight and length of a QD mounting system |
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Posted: 5/19/2018 8:51:35 AM EDT
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ASR for all AR platform rifles and direct thread for bolt guns. If you plan on shooting pistol to, get all of the pistons. Package deal is cheaper. As far as the end caps go, I think having the proper one matters. I try to keep everything in its factory packaging and if all else fails, stamp the insides of the end caps.
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Posted: 5/19/2018 9:00:34 AM EDT
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I didn't say direct threads will loosen up, but that there is a risk that they can loosen up. The risk is minimal on a bolt action. But the risk is higher when everything is new and shiny. With the Hybrid on sub-calibers the risk is also mitigated by the generous bore. So starting out if you use the .46 front cap even if your can does vibrate loose and you forget to check it there is less chance of a strike. If you mark the top of the can with tape after its torqued to the host you can see any rotation from loosening. There are two threaded joints that could be the culprit. The DT mount to the body of the can, and the 5/8 thread of the DT mount to the host's barrel shoulder. The spanners provided should allow you to torque both down well enough.
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Posted: 5/20/2018 9:32:37 AM EDT
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Key-mo. If you're near GR, I'm in allendale and shoot in dorr. Come see mine with the key-mo. I just run the factory end piece as I don't want to forget to swap, but it's a nice can.
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Posted: 5/20/2018 6:19:06 PM EDT
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I'm glad you posted this. I'm waiting for my Hybrid to get released and was a little lost on what I need to mount it to my different platforms.
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Posted: 5/26/2018 5:29:33 PM EDT
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@NotanATFagent good shooting today! That was fun. Sounded like he was a fan of the key-mo but will probably chime in.
I on the other hand, realized you probably could go without that one extra "click" of the ratchet mechanism on the dead air mount. The suppressor tube unthreaded from the baffle stack and had to cool down to room temp again. Had a few interesting ftf's but that's another day |
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Posted: 5/27/2018 12:08:39 AM EDT
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@NotanATFagent good shooting today! That was fun. Sounded like he was a fan of the key-mo but will probably chime in. I on the other hand, realized you probably could go without that one extra "click" of the ratchet mechanism on the dead air mount. The suppressor tube unthreaded from the baffle stack and had to cool down to room temp again. Had a few interesting ftf's but that's another day I will definitely be going with the key-mo mounting system. The ease of switching the can from host to host (after letting it cool down ) was really awesome!
Now I just have to find a way to make the next 6-8 months go by faster 
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Posted: 5/28/2018 7:22:57 AM EDT
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On my way out to the range I snapped ...this picture.
Zenith 5 RS (MP5): Silencerco 3-Lug low profile/Hybrid:  Attached FileI definitely like the 3-Lug mount & better than direct thread because it is the shortest configuration and mounts very easily.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 1:30:20 PM EDT
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On my way out to the range I snapped ...this picture. Zenith 5 RS (MP5): Silencerco 3-Lug low profile/Hybrid: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/89656/20180528_061312-557597.JPG I definitely like the 3-Lug mount & better than direct thread because it is the shortest configuration and mounts very easily. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/89656/20180528_062155-557599.JPG |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 10:26:51 AM EDT
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Yep, Omega and Hybrid share the same parts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Keymo works with the hybrid? Keymo > asr Do you guys have any deals going on right now? |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 2:35:45 PM EDT
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@HansohnBrothers Do you guys have any deals going on right now? |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 8:42:34 PM EDT
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Nothing right now, probably something next week for the 4th. What are you looking for? Dead Air Keymo system and mounts, SilencerCo Hybrid end caps and 3-lug low profile mount |
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