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Posted: 11/8/2020 1:28:05 PM EDT
[#1]
Make sure it’s not a re-weld
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Posted: 11/8/2020 4:26:04 PM EDT
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Are you talking an NFA registered full auto M16? If so I'd recommend getting on Sturmgewehr.com and asking around,
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Posted: 11/8/2020 6:57:41 PM EDT
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Yes, it is on a form 4.
How to tell if it is a re-weld? |
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Posted: 11/8/2020 7:12:39 PM EDT
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X-Ray it
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Posted: 11/8/2020 7:52:44 PM EDT
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The RR market seemed weak about a year or so ago. I saw a couple colts in the low-20’s. unless there’s something special about Hydramatics, 18-22k if it’s not a reweld.
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Posted: 11/8/2020 7:55:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, it is on a form 4. How to tell if it is a re-weld? Is it cerakoted or hardcoated? 7075 doesn’t weld so awesome and when someone who can weld one pretty does, the anodizing won’t look quite identical in the weld zones. Different alloys anodize and take dye a bit differently. If it’s anno’d clean and even, I wouldn’t bother xraying. If it’s cerakoted, I’d be more suspicious. |
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Posted: 11/8/2020 10:57:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, it is on a form 4. How to tell if it is a re-weld? Typically the rewelds will lack the manufacturer markings on the left side over the FCG pocket. Some have been re-engraved, in which case you need to know how to discern roll markings from engraving or have it x-rayed. |
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Posted: 11/9/2020 1:04:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Typically the rewelds will lack the manufacturer markings on the left side over the FCG pocket. Some have been re-engraved, in which case you need to know how to discern roll markings from engraving or have it x-rayed. Hydramatics are only marked on the (L) side of the magwell.......no other markings on the receiver. Who is the manufacturer listed as on the paperwork? Might want to pull the pistol grip and see if there re any markings hidden under there...... there are substantially more Hydramatic rewelds than factory uncut guns. |
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Posted: 11/9/2020 8:41:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hydramatics are only marked on the (L) side of the magwell.......no other markings on the receiver. Who is the manufacturer listed as on the paperwork? Might want to pull the pistol grip and see if there re any markings hidden under there...... there are substantially more Hydramatic rewelds than factory uncut guns. Indeed, you are correct. I was thinking of H&R rewelds. |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 5:10:28 AM EDT
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I have a government owed Hydramatic. If you need photos of an original, email me I’ll take some pictures.
Someone told me once that there were only 12-14 Hydramatics in registry. Not including the rebuilt ones. I would think that would make them one of the more valuable ones out there. I did look at a reweld once. It was duracoated and the paperwork did not list GM as the manufacturer. I know sometimes paperwork can get changed over time but after the bust they made a few years ago where some SOT got caught switching cheaper MGs for high dollar MGs I heard they started verifying every one they see. But the paperwork for the one you’re looking at may not have been seen by the ATF in some time. |
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Posted: 11/24/2020 12:59:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hydramatics are only marked on the (L) side of the magwell.......no other markings on the receiver. Who is the manufacturer listed as on the paperwork? Might want to pull the pistol grip and see if there re any markings hidden under there...... there are substantially more Hydramatic rewelds than factory uncut guns. Hydra Matic GM is listed as the manufacturer. The pistol tang under the grip is marked J Stemple. Duracoat finish I believe. It's definitely not anodized. I'm thinking reweld, but a good one. Runs great, no missing letters or numbers on the left side of the receiver. |
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Posted: 11/24/2020 3:19:56 AM EDT
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You are correct, it is definitely a reweld. John Stemple was the actual manufacturer, as he’s the one who welded the two scrap receiver “halves” back into a functional receiver.
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Posted: 11/24/2020 10:27:38 PM EDT
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So what might be the current market value?
Shooter grade, reweld. |
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Posted: 11/24/2020 10:47:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what might be the current market value? Shooter grade, reweld. IIRC factory originals were asking about $80k a year or so ago. Not sure any sold, but the big dealer I saw wanted quite the premium for it. |
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Posted: 12/28/2020 12:42:35 AM EDT
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Excellent thread, I'm also in the market for a transferable shooter grade M-16.
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Posted: 12/28/2020 6:22:23 PM EDT
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Reweld M16s are going for $18k on Strum these days. Been a couple of them pop up in the last month.
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