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WI, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2019 2:22:20 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OAK667:
How long does it take to receive the stamp once it’s been approved? That’d be July 4th, a/k/a “Independence Day” which I’d find highly ironic. 
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Posted: 6/16/2019 11:27:29 PM EDT
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ATF got like what 6,000+ employees? and about a dozen for NFA branch?
My Form-4 is in its year mark... thanks ATF! |
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Posted: 6/17/2019 6:27:03 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FatboyFudd: Mine was approved June 6th. I’m hoping it’s takes 28 days to get here after a 314 day wait for approval. That’d be July 4th, a/k/a “Independence Day” which I’d find highly ironic. So you might get it this week. |
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Posted: 6/17/2019 6:27:45 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coolhand:
ATF got like what 6,000+ employees? and about a dozen for NFA branch? My Form-4 is in its year mark... thanks ATF! 
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Posted: 6/19/2019 11:19:23 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith:
Yeah, what happened to the extra examiners that were supposed to have been hired
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IA, USA
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Posted: 6/19/2019 3:51:36 PM EDT
[#6]
Is there any sort of expiration date or age limit of filled out fingerprint cards? If I have the Sheriffs office print out 10 copies can I just keep them on hand to send out as needed?
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Posted: 6/19/2019 5:38:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TigerHawk:
Is there any sort of expiration date or age limit of filled out fingerprint cards? If I have the Sheriffs office print out 10 copies can I just keep them on hand to send out as needed? I may be wrong. |
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Posted: 6/19/2019 8:03:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TigerHawk:
Is there any sort of expiration date or age limit of filled out fingerprint cards? If I have the Sheriffs office print out 10 copies can I just keep them on hand to send out as needed? That being said, I’ve heard people using FP cards that’s were many years old with no problem at all. I’m not sure I’ve actually seen anybody ever say they were rejected for the date on the card. The easy solution is roll your own, and don’t write a date until needed. Not sure if the Sheriff would print them off without a date, but you could ask. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 6/19/2019 9:54:43 PM EDT
[#9]
Thanks guys. When getting my last cards done the guy doing the prints emphasize I had to have new cards done when I sent them off. Seemed strange..
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Posted: 6/21/2019 2:46:53 AM EDT
[#10]
Tomorrow marks one year from purchase date of my suppressor and my form 4 was approved on 6/6. What are the odds I get it today?
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Posted: 6/21/2019 8:42:48 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UsernameUnknown:
Tomorrow marks one year from purchase date of my suppressor and my form 4 was approved on 6/6. What are the odds I get it today? (It’s been 15 days, they say 30+5 for transit...so 20 days left in the normal interval. Thus today is indeed a 5% chance  ...and each day that goes past your odds go up)
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Posted: 6/21/2019 10:47:22 AM EDT
[#12]
I'm approaching 340 days. At this rate, I hope it slows down a touch and maybe I'll get batch approved for my summer promo Octane.
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Posted: 6/21/2019 4:35:01 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
5% (It’s been 15 days, they say 30+5 for transit...so 20 days left in the normal interval. Thus today is indeed a 5% chance ...and each day that goes past your odds go up) |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 4:37:16 PM EDT
[#14]
342 days.
I called, and my Maxim 9 was approved today! Now a waiting of a different kind! |
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Posted: 6/25/2019 9:36:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Wi_Yeti]
[#15]
Nvm
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/26/2019 6:53:54 PM EDT
[#16]
I bought my first suppressor on the 4th of July last year, I was just approved two days ago.
My stamp will probably arrive at the dealer around the 4th of July, this year. That's a whole year. This is not exactly motivating me to purchase another one, but I may look at building one and going the F1 route. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 6/28/2019 3:53:35 PM EDT
[#17]
Just called ATF and mine is approved. Check cashed on July 18. Looks like it'll be right at a year by the time I receive my stamp. My free Octane showed up yesterday, so the party started all over again for me today. I think I'm going to buy a .22 suppressor to hopefully get near the same time.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 7/10/2019 4:44:05 PM EDT
[#18]
The BATFE cashed my check for the Sandman-S this week so I should be shooting suppressed any day now, right?!?
Seriously though, I'm attempting to convince myself that applying as an individual helps speed things up at least a little because this 11-12 month nonsense is tough to swallow. (I bought a full-auto 25-ish years ago and the wait as an individual was about 3 months) My dealer also runs training courses a few times a year. If he happens to receive the silencer from Silencer Shop before the next course, he says he'll let me try it out that weekend. It's my first can, so hopefully it doesn't suck because that'll take the "fun" out of the long wait after the course. |
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Posted: 7/10/2019 6:48:38 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beeps48:
The BATFE cashed my check for the Sandman-S this week so I should be shooting suppressed any day now, right?!?
Seriously though, I'm attempting to convince myself that applying as an individual helps speed things up at least a little because this 11-12 month nonsense is tough to swallow. (I bought a full-auto 25-ish years ago and the wait as an individual was about 3 months) My dealer also runs training courses a few times a year. If he happens to receive the silencer from Silencer Shop before the next course, he says he'll let me try it out that weekend. It's my first can, so hopefully it doesn't suck because that'll take the "fun" out of the long wait after the course. |
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Posted: 7/11/2019 9:06:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AddictedToPew]
[#20]
fuck those idiots over at the nfa branch. bunch of jack offs.
ETA: Fuck their shitty website also. |
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Posted: 7/11/2019 9:13:20 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AddictedToPew:
fuck those idiots over at the nfa branch. bunch of jack offs. ETA: Fuck their shitty website also.
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Posted: 7/12/2019 8:05:39 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OAK667:
You just broke someone's heart... You know someone got a massive pay raise for instituting that website! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OAK667:
Originally Posted By AddictedToPew:
fuck those idiots over at the nfa branch. bunch of jack offs. ETA: Fuck their shitty website also. Thu, Jul 11, 8:09 PM (10 hours ago) to me Good evening, Your eform 1 application is currently in a “Delayed” status with the FBI, once proceeded I can finish the review process for the application. Thanks, Jesse W. Huff Firearms & Explosives Services Specialist National Firearms Act Division Government Support Branch 304-616-4500 |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 3:14:58 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AddictedToPew:
Huff, Jesse Thu, Jul 11, 8:09 PM (10 hours ago) to me Good evening, Your eform 1 application is currently in a “Delayed” status with the FBI, once proceeded I can finish the review process for the application. Thanks, Jesse W. Huff Firearms & Explosives Services Specialist National Firearms Act Division Government Support Branch 304-616-4500 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AddictedToPew:
Originally Posted By OAK667:
Originally Posted By AddictedToPew:
fuck those idiots over at the nfa branch. bunch of jack offs. ETA: Fuck their shitty website also. Thu, Jul 11, 8:09 PM (10 hours ago) to me Good evening, Your eform 1 application is currently in a “Delayed” status with the FBI, once proceeded I can finish the review process for the application. Thanks, Jesse W. Huff Firearms & Explosives Services Specialist National Firearms Act Division Government Support Branch 304-616-4500 |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 7:22:52 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1911xdm:
That super sucks? How long is the normal delay? Also when did you first file? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1911xdm:
Originally Posted By AddictedToPew:
Originally Posted By OAK667:
Originally Posted By AddictedToPew:
fuck those idiots over at the nfa branch. bunch of jack offs. ETA: Fuck their shitty website also. Thu, Jul 11, 8:09 PM (10 hours ago) to me Good evening, Your eform 1 application is currently in a “Delayed” status with the FBI, once proceeded I can finish the review process for the application. Thanks, Jesse W. Huff Firearms & Explosives Services Specialist National Firearms Act Division Government Support Branch 304-616-4500 |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 11:26:31 AM EDT
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No efiles approved since the 11th? Either the ATF all went on vacation or the members got lazy and aren't posting their approvals.
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COL
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Posted: 7/18/2019 1:22:35 PM EDT
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Filed Form 4 March 8th, 2018
Still waiting. 
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MD, USA
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Posted: 7/19/2019 10:39:26 AM EDT
[#27]
Bought an AEM5 from DSG Arms back in 2017. F3 to my dealer was approved 2 april 17, DSG received the approval 3 April and shipped the can. Dealer received it, logged, called me in, we did the paperwork, got everything mailed late may (issues getting with fingerprinter friend).
November 2018 I get the whole packet back in the mail......was "lost" for a fucking year and a half. GOOD FUCKING JOB USPS. Well at least the check was safe. Voided it out and RE accomplished the paperwork, check cashed in February this year and they just told me over the phone they "briefly lost track" of my paperwork. So it'll be 20 fucking 20 before i get the can. Three fucking years. Unfuckingreal. |
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Posted: 7/19/2019 5:54:21 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kanewtervalve:
No efiles approved since the 11th? Either the ATF all went on vacation or the members got lazy and aren't posting their approvals. |
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Posted: 7/19/2019 5:56:10 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kanewtervalve:
No efiles approved since the 11th? Either the ATF all went on vacation or the members got lazy and aren't posting their approvals. |
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Posted: 7/19/2019 8:38:57 PM EDT
[#30]
I usually get a reply when I use "Ask the Experts" within a few hours, just crickets today.
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UKR
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Posted: 7/19/2019 10:10:11 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kanewtervalve:
I usually get a reply when I use "Ask the Experts" within a few hours, just crickets today. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 7/20/2019 6:38:50 PM EDT
[#32]
Its all over the fucking place. I got mine back today.
Pending 09/6/18 |
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USA
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Posted: 7/24/2019 3:04:12 PM EDT
[#33]
Looks like there is a wait time difference now between individual and trusts. On a few of the "approval tracking threads" in here and on other sites it seems most individuals are getting approvals from September time frame with ~300-320 day wait time while Trusts are still at 350+ days and are just getting into August pending dates.
The below graph shows the same trend. This is a difference that hasn't been around since Sept of 2017. Wonder what the deal is now? This chaps my ass as someone with a 314 day pending on a trust. 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/25/2019 4:17:13 PM EDT
[#34]
I'm not sure that graph is accurate anymore. It hasn't shown a form 4 trust approval in weeks. I logged in my form 4 trust approval the other day, and it is not reflected on that graph.
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Posted: 7/27/2019 3:39:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Mr_Maim]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Maim:
Now at 406 days. 
This is just absurd. A human goes from conception to birth in less time! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Maim:
Originally Posted By Mr_Maim:
Originally Posted By Mr_Maim:
Originally Posted By Mr_Maim:
Form 4 344 days from check cashed to today
Spoke with my Examiner who, to her credit was very nice and returned my call from my voicemail left the previous day, apologized for the wait and said "pending FBI background check" and has been there since August. < ...shrug... >
This is just absurd. A human goes from conception to birth in less time! Total from check cashed to my FFL/SOT's mailboxes: 468 days, for my oldest submittals. The NFA Branch did a batch approval of everything I had outstanding, approving forms submitted as recently as March of this year. So long fellas. Good luck. |
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Posted: 7/27/2019 8:39:20 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Maim:
Approved 6/26/2019, took their time mailing them out, received at my dealer(s) on 7/8/2019. Total from check cashed to my FFL/SOT's mailboxes: 468 days, for my oldest submittals. The NFA Branch did a batch approval of everything I had outstanding, approving forms submitted as recently as March of this year. So long fellas. Good luck. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Maim:
Originally Posted By Mr_Maim:
Originally Posted By Mr_Maim:
Originally Posted By Mr_Maim:
Originally Posted By Mr_Maim:
Form 4 344 days from check cashed to today
Spoke with my Examiner who, to her credit was very nice and returned my call from my voicemail left the previous day, apologized for the wait and said "pending FBI background check" and has been there since August. < ...shrug... >
This is just absurd. A human goes from conception to birth in less time! Total from check cashed to my FFL/SOT's mailboxes: 468 days, for my oldest submittals. The NFA Branch did a batch approval of everything I had outstanding, approving forms submitted as recently as March of this year. So long fellas. Good luck. |
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Posted: 7/27/2019 9:43:59 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Maim:
Approved 6/26/2019, took their time mailing them out, received at my dealer(s) on 7/8/2019.
They say they’ll do it within 30 days of approval, and add 5 more days for transit. |
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Posted: 7/27/2019 11:15:27 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
That’s actually pretty quick for them.
They say they’ll do it within 30 days of approval, and add 5 more days for transit. |
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Posted: 7/31/2019 11:24:44 AM EDT
[#39]
When you email ask the experts how long does it take for them to get back to you? I was just approved last week on a efile form1. I emailed them Saturday and asked if they can batch approve my other 4 form4s since they just ran me. It’s been five days and no email back.
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Posted: 7/31/2019 12:34:13 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1911xdm:
When you email ask the experts how long does it take for them to get back to you? I was just approved last week on a efile form1. I emailed them Saturday and asked if they can batch approve my other 4 form4s since they just ran me. It’s been five days and no email back. We are working forms in the order in which they are received and we are currently working forms received in Aug. of 2018. Unfortunately we are unable to pull these forward out of the processing order. I anticipate we should be getting to the November 2018 application soon. We are processing applications as diligently as possible. Now, I know they can do it, because they have. I also know I’ve seen forms from at least Sep, Oct, and Nov (maybe Dec?) already approved that weren't part of any batch processing. But that’s what they said. The one little useful nugget I did get from the reply was this: Both of the serial numbers you gave also have an approved background check. The two in question have pending dates of Nov ‘18 and May ‘19. So, I shouldn’t be in the BGC black hole...but I was surprised the May one was already cleared. That just means it’s sitting in a box for at least the rest of this year...for somebody to do nothing more than verify SN and FFL info, slap a stamp on it and mail it back. Not even a trust doc to look at because I sent a certification saying it hasn’t changed. |
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USA
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Posted: 7/31/2019 9:41:22 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Not even a trust doc to look at because I sent a certification saying it hasn’t changed. I have one suppressor at 322 days on my trust. I have two more after that at 230 and 200. If I clear the first one soon I’d like to do anything I can to speed up the other two. Does this certification mean potentially a few less days of an examiner messing around with the other two. |
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Posted: 7/31/2019 10:24:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JSchell1309: @BigWaylon, can you give more detail on this certification? I have one suppressor at 322 days on my trust. I have two more after that at 230 and 200. If I clear the first one soon I’d like to do anything I can to speed up the other two. Does this certification mean potentially a few less days of an examiner messing around with the other two. Here’s where I talked about it recently: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/24-month-exemption/17-501634/ |
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USA
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Posted: 8/1/2019 12:25:12 AM EDT
[#43]
Perfect, thank you for the link.
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Posted: 8/7/2019 1:11:24 AM EDT
[#44]
Does anyone know if Nfatracker.com is accurate at all? According to NFAtracker for paper form 4s from purchase to stamp in hand should be 287 days. From looking at the approved for 4 thread here it appears to be much longer than that.
Any idea what the discrepancy is? |
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WY, USA
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Posted: 8/7/2019 1:49:48 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By l_Ferret_l:
Does anyone know if Nfatracker.com is accurate at all? According to NFAtracker for paper form 4s from purchase to stamp in hand should be 287 days. From looking at the approved for 4 thread here it appears to be much longer than that. Any idea what the discrepancy is? |
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Posted: 8/7/2019 5:42:50 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gtscotty: If you're taking about the average wait time graph, it's based on a 12 month rolling average, so much shorter approval times from the second half of 2018 are pulling the average down to lower than it really is today. |
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Posted: 8/9/2019 10:19:07 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By l_Ferret_l:
Makes sense. Thanks for the response. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By l_Ferret_l:
Originally Posted By Gtscotty: If you're taking about the average wait time graph, it's based on a 12 month rolling average, so much shorter approval times from the second half of 2018 are pulling the average down to lower than it really is today. From a quick glance, it looks like individual F4s (for example) peaked with wait times around a year and currently seems to be slowly trending downward. Hopefully, that'll continue. |
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Posted: 8/9/2019 10:32:03 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krdt:
FYI, on NFA Tracker you can look at the 12-month average, 3-month average, transfers approved in the last 30 days, and filter the main "Wait Times" tab to see the individual approvals making up the average. Using the 3-month average is a quick way to get more of an accurate representation of current wait times, while looking at the main "Wait Times" tab filtered for your specific type can give you a more detailed view and a rough idea of the current trend. From a quick glance, it looks like individual F4s (for example) peaked with wait times around a year and currently seems to be slowly trending downward. Hopefully, that'll continue. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krdt:
Originally Posted By l_Ferret_l:
Originally Posted By Gtscotty: If you're taking about the average wait time graph, it's based on a 12 month rolling average, so much shorter approval times from the second half of 2018 are pulling the average down to lower than it really is today. From a quick glance, it looks like individual F4s (for example) peaked with wait times around a year and currently seems to be slowly trending downward. Hopefully, that'll continue. 
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Posted: 8/12/2019 6:47:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: OAK667]
[#49]
What do I need to do to complete a UPIN?
and... @BigWaylon How do I change a Form 4 individual to a Form 4 trust? |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 10:14:53 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OAK667:
What do I need to do to complete a UPIN? and... @BigWaylon How do I change a Form 4 individual to a Form 4 trust? What do you mean change a F4 Individual to an F4 Trust? Already submitted? Already approved? |
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