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Posted: 4/28/2021 4:35:49 PM EDT
[#1]
Quoted: I'm about to start building a NV platform and am seriously looking at the Team Wendy EXFIL LTP bump. I know there are several solid options out there, but is there a reason to not buy the TW offering? Yep, their Hillary Clinton support having her on their factory stage with the TW President saying Hillary would be the best US President we would ever have along with letting her use their stage to promote another AWB! We pulled that plug along with a despicable email of insult from their helmet CEO at that time. |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 5:27:07 PM EDT
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Politics aside, there are a few reasons.
1) Everything is made for the Ops-Core ARC rails, not the TW M-LOK. In order to use these accessories, you have to get adapters which can be a pain and expensive. 2) The TW BOA system is not as stable as the Ops-Core Fit-band suspension. While some users find the TW more comfortable, there is basically no lateral stability in the suspension as it's just a wire wrapped in padding. If you helmet mount a communications headset, this helps a lot with the stability of the TW (as well as the Ops-Core). 3) Adjusting the BOA on the fly can be a bit annoying. If you want to crank it down, you can do so easily but if you want to loosen it, you have to pop the dial out and basically retension the whole thing down again. The Ops-Core Occ-dial lets you tighten or loosen it much more easily. That said, it's a fine bump helmet and it has a molded-in metal shroud compared to the molded-in plastic shroud of the equivalent Ops-Core bump. |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 5:28:37 PM EDT
[#3]
this is solid info. thanks sir
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Posted: 4/28/2021 5:32:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Politics aside, there are a few reasons. 1) Everything is made for the Ops-Core ARC rails, not the TW M-LOK. In order to use these accessories, you have to get adapters which can be a pain and expensive. 2) The TW BOA system is not as stable as the Ops-Core Fit-band suspension. While some users find the TW more comfortable, there is basically no lateral stability in the suspension as it's just a wire wrapped in padding. If you helmet mount a communications headset, this helps a lot with the stability of the TW (as well as the Ops-Core). 3) Adjusting the BOA on the fly can be a bit annoying. If you want to crank it down, you can do so easily but if you want to loosen it, you have to pop the dial out and basically retension the whole thing down again. The Ops-Core Occ-dial lets you tighten or loosen it much more easily. That said, it's a fine bump helmet and it has a molded-in metal shroud compared to the molded-in plastic shroud of the equivalent Ops-Core bump. is the plastic shroud a point of failure? |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 5:35:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, their Hillary Clinton support having her on their factory stage with the TW President saying Hillary would be the best US President we would ever have along with letting her use their stage to promote another AWB! We pulled that plug along with a despicable email of insult from their helmet CEO at that time. I believe the company has been sold since then. |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 5:36:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe the company has been sold since then. i read that as well |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 5:41:29 PM EDT
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If you go the Opscore route, factor in the cost of a set of 4D pads, they’re basically required.
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Posted: 4/28/2021 5:44:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, their Hillary Clinton support having her on their factory stage with the TW President saying Hillary would be the best US President we would ever have along with letting her use their stage to promote another AWB! We pulled that plug along with a despicable email of insult from their helmet CEO at that time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm about to start building a NV platform and am seriously looking at the Team Wendy EXFIL LTP bump. I know there are several solid options out there, but is there a reason to not buy the TW offering? Yep, their Hillary Clinton support having her on their factory stage with the TW President saying Hillary would be the best US President we would ever have along with letting her use their stage to promote another AWB! We pulled that plug along with a despicable email of insult from their helmet CEO at that time. Any word on the politics of the new owners? I had to return an OpsCore helmet to you guys and get a TW because of my giant stupid head  The TW (two of them now, one bump and one ballistic) are fortunately EXTREMELY comfortable. Hope it doesn't hurt your feelings that my DTNVGs are going on them once they're built 
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Posted: 4/28/2021 5:58:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: is the plastic shroud a point of failure? It's a lazy piece of shit on Ops-Cores part. I have used the Maritime and currently have a Carbon for work. I used an old non carbon FAST bump for amphib, HALO/HAHO, recce patrols, etc. It sucks as a NODs host. Flexes with NODs on and good luck if the molded-in shroud decides to take a shit on you. Better options out there. And also know everyone who makes gear donates to the Dems. Lol at the guys who won't buy a TW but still rock SF and every other brand that makes questionable donations. I guess doing shit in secret is better than posting about it on FB. |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 6:38:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2) The TW BOA system is not as stable as the Ops-Core Fit-band suspension. While some users find the TW more comfortable, there is basically no lateral stability in the suspension as it's just a wire wrapped in padding. If you helmet mount a communications headset, this helps a lot with the stability of the TW (as well as the Ops-Core). |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 6:39:55 PM EDT
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TW rail systems really suck compared to the OC, & the SF series suspension is better than anything else I have tried.
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Posted: 4/28/2021 7:26:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any word on the politics of the new owners? I had to return an OpsCore helmet to you guys and get a TW because of my giant stupid head The TW (two of them now, one bump and one ballistic) are fortunately EXTREMELY comfortable. Hope it doesn't hurt your feelings that my DTNVGs are going on them once they're built Is the padding and suspension identical on these two, Bump & Ballistic ? |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 7:30:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is the padding and suspension identical on these two, Bump & Ballistic ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Any word on the politics of the new owners? I had to return an OpsCore helmet to you guys and get a TW because of my giant stupid head The TW (two of them now, one bump and one ballistic) are fortunately EXTREMELY comfortable. Hope it doesn't hurt your feelings that my DTNVGs are going on them once they're built Is the padding and suspension identical on these two, Bump & Ballistic ? Hopefully somebody else can answer, I never paid attention to whether they're the same or not and they're both back home. Sorry 
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Posted: 4/28/2021 8:01:45 PM EDT
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CDN_Datawraith pretty much nailed everything I was going to say. I'll add that the strap sliders on the OC are also a better feature than the TW locking sliders. Depending on what you're doing sometimes you need to quickly loosen or cinch up your straps and it's way easier with the OC.
The OC Carbons are awesome (I like them enough I bought two) but the OC FAST Bump with molded shroud is plenty fine for most users. The molded shroud fragility gets brought up a lot as a concern but other than one odd instance a long time ago when someone shimmed their shroud too much and broke it, you just don't hear about molded shroud failures. The increased rigidity & metal shroud of the Carbons is no question superior, however, the average buyer is already gasping at reputable bump helmet mfg prices so Carbons are essentially off the menu for most. |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 8:14:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i read that as well Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I believe the company has been sold since then. i read that as well Same CEO...Nothing has changed. Edit, oh and yea get the 4D pads...The really are the best and most comfy thing you can do with the OPS. 
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Posted: 4/28/2021 9:01:57 PM EDT
[#16]
I have a giant melon, so I had to go with TW.
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Posted: 4/28/2021 9:12:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you go the Opscore route, factor in the cost of a set of 4D pads, they’re basically required. I mean it's 90 bucks. When you're buying a $1000 to $1500 ballistic helmet to mount $3000 NV/thermals on, is $90 for comfortable pads really the thing that breaks the budget? |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 9:44:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean it's 90 bucks. When you're buying a $1000 to $1500 ballistic helmet to mount $3000 NV/thermals on, is $90 for comfortable pads really the thing that breaks the budget? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you go the Opscore route, factor in the cost of a set of 4D pads, they’re basically required. I mean it's 90 bucks. When you're buying a $1000 to $1500 ballistic helmet to mount $3000 NV/thermals on, is $90 for comfortable pads really the thing that breaks the budget? We’re talking bump helmets here. |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 10:00:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We’re talking bump helmets here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you go the Opscore route, factor in the cost of a set of 4D pads, they’re basically required. I mean it's 90 bucks. When you're buying a $1000 to $1500 ballistic helmet to mount $3000 NV/thermals on, is $90 for comfortable pads really the thing that breaks the budget? We’re talking bump helmets here. Whoops. I'm 'tarded, somehow my brain skipped the "LTP" in the topic. Still, this is the "night vision" forum. Most night vision worth its salt is going to cost as much as outfitting most of a platoon with pads. If you're outfitting yourself with that kind of kit, pads to make using it comfortable for long stretches seems a drop in the bucket. IMO. |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 10:05:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whoops. I'm 'tarded, somehow my brain skipped the "LTP" in the topic. Still, this is the "night vision" forum. Most night vision worth its salt is going to cost as much as outfitting most of a platoon with pads. If you're outfitting yourself with that kind of kit, pads to make using it comfortable for long stretches seems a drop in the bucket. IMO. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you go the Opscore route, factor in the cost of a set of 4D pads, they’re basically required. I mean it's 90 bucks. When you're buying a $1000 to $1500 ballistic helmet to mount $3000 NV/thermals on, is $90 for comfortable pads really the thing that breaks the budget? We’re talking bump helmets here. Whoops. I'm 'tarded, somehow my brain skipped the "LTP" in the topic. Still, this is the "night vision" forum. Most night vision worth its salt is going to cost as much as outfitting most of a platoon with pads. If you're outfitting yourself with that kind of kit, pads to make using it comfortable for long stretches seems a drop in the bucket. IMO. Sure, NV isn’t cheap, but we’re talking the difference between adding 7-10% to the cost of a ballistic helmet or 33% to the cost of a bump helmet. It’s all relative. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 9:24:54 AM EDT
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so full disclosure, I got my nods and helmet in 2014 which is referred to as pre-hillary.
At the time the TW LTP was the go to for entry level bumps. it was priced really close to the ops core but has a molded wilcox shroud and is comfortable with the factory pads, it is certainly a solid helmet. the rails leave a little to be desired but you can still mount ear pro on them as well as pic rails. its a shame the made so many political statements and lost tons of business over it, rightfully so. the hill dawg stuff in 2016 REALLY screwed them. you should have seen the posts on their public facebook page and the shaming they received. now days ops core is pretty much the best game in town, i'm not a fan of the molded plastic shroud so if I was doing it again I would have to buy the carbon. It just does not sit right with me hanging 4-10k worth of nods in a plastic mount. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 9:28:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so full disclosure, I got my nods and helmet in 2014 which is referred to as pre-hillary. At the time the TW LTP was the go to for entry level bumps. it was priced really close to the ops core but has a molded wilcox shroud and is comfortable with the factory pads, it is certainly a solid helmet. the rails leave a little to be desired but you can still mount ear pro on them as well as pic rails. its a shame the made so many political statements and lost tons of business over it, rightfully so. the hill dawg stuff in 2016 REALLY screwed them. you should have seen the posts on their public facebook page and the shaming they received. now days ops core is pretty much the best game in town, i'm not a fan of the molded plastic shroud so if I was doing it again I would have to buy the carbon. It just does not sit right with me hanging 4-10k worth of nods in a plastic mount. The carbon is out of reach for me, and as you said hanging NODS off a plastic shroud does make me a little nervous. Other than 1 other poster in this thread busting on OC helmets, it seems like plastic shroud or not, it is the way to go. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 9:36:16 AM EDT
[#23]
I think the OC has some better features but the TW is a comfortable helmet.
Granted if its sitting in your closet all rigged up neither of it matters, but if you wear it for more than 4 hours TW is the best choice for me. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 9:45:34 AM EDT
[#24]
Team Wendy was purchased by Avon. They still have the same employees.
Depending on what you are putting on the helmet it may not matter what dial you are using. With my amp arms and 4d pads I don’t have to use the camfit on my team Wendy ballistic at all. The opscore bump helmet is pretty unimpressive visually and you may be initially disappointed in your purchase if you don’t get a decent deal on it. I picked one up off the EE but it ended up being too small for me. The others are correct that the camfit is a bit inferior to the opscore dial options. The padded wires aren’t going to help much once you put a lot of weight on the helmet. I do think they may be overstating the changing retention issue as it can still be accomplished in 1 second or less with the camfit. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 9:48:45 AM EDT
[#25]
Hillary hat? Hard pass.
It's also worth observing that TW caters to SAR teams. A lot of those people supply their own gear, yet TW equipment is one of the most expensive brands. Not the kind of behavior I expect from a company claiming to be ideologically committed to preventing TBI. More like a company stroking politicians for those sweet, sweet government contracts. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 10:19:39 AM EDT
[#26]
I had the Team Wendy EXFIL LTP bump helmet several years back and I was seriously considering their carbon helmet at the moment, but reading through this thread solidified things for me. I just placed an order for the Ops Core FAST SF Super High Cut Carbon Composite helmet in TAN 499 with the OCC Dial system. Code GARANDTHUMB knocked $188.60 off the price and out the door it was $754.40 with free ground shipping. Granted, there's a lead/build time, but I'll also be waiting on my TNV/PVS-14 to be built when I order from TNVC next week (lookin' at you @TNVC @TNVC_Will
 ). Appreciate all the perspectives shared, it really helps in decision-making.
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Posted: 4/29/2021 10:25:20 AM EDT
[#27]
The plastic molded in shroud of the OpsCore bump is reason enough to go with the LTP. Definitely get the 4D Tactical pads. The retro fit kit by themselves are more stable than the GI pads, H nape and ComTacs.
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Posted: 4/29/2021 10:43:56 AM EDT
[#28]
I have both. I really don’t like the plastic shroud on the OC. It flexes a LOT. I’d probably pony up for the carbon OC just to get a decent shroud.
Other than that? Either will need a set of 4D pads. My 1st TW was purchased pre Hillary. My 2nd was purchased 2nd hand. I’d do a lot of research before I bought another TW new. I’d look at the other brands first, unless you can get an EE deal. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 10:44:55 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I had the Team Wendy EXFIL LTP bump helmet several years back and I was seriously considering their carbon helmet at the moment, but reading through this thread solidified things for me. I just placed an order for the Ops Core FAST SF Super High Cut Carbon Composite helmet in TAN 499 with the OCC Dial system. Code GARANDTHUMB knocked $188.60 off the price and out the door it was $754.40 with free ground shipping. Granted, there's a lead/build time, but I'll also be waiting on my TNV/PVS-14 to be built when I order from TNVC next week (lookin' at you @TNVC @TNVC_Will ). Appreciate all the perspectives shared, it really helps in decision-making.You're gonna love it. That is the baddest bump helmet available 
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Posted: 4/29/2021 10:56:12 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're gonna love it. That is the baddest bump helmet available Rad! Good to know. Thanks! |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 3:28:09 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I had the Team Wendy EXFIL LTP bump helmet several years back and I was seriously considering their carbon helmet at the moment, but reading through this thread solidified things for me. I just placed an order for the Ops Core FAST SF Super High Cut Carbon Composite helmet in TAN 499 with the OCC Dial system. Code GARANDTHUMB knocked $188.60 off the price and out the door it was $754.40 with free ground shipping. Granted, there's a lead/build time, but I'll also be waiting on my TNV/PVS-14 to be built when I order from TNVC next week (lookin' at you @TNVC @TNVC_Will ). Appreciate all the perspectives shared, it really helps in decision-making.I'll second that sentiment! |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 10:39:01 PM EDT
[#32]
I actually think TW rails are superior than arc the problem is arc are the standard in the industry so accessories are easier to find/cheaper and less adapters needed generally.
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Posted: 4/30/2021 12:17:55 AM EDT
[#33]
I got a OC bump and I really like it with how I got mine set its comfy with the stock pads.
I'm running just a PVS-14 via a Wilcox G24 mount. I did throw some electrical tape in my shroud to tighten up the fit and thats all I've done. Yeah its just molded plastic but I dont really see it breaking if you use the break away feature on the mount. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 11:06:19 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have both. I really don’t like the plastic shroud on the OC. It flexes a LOT. I’d probably pony up for the carbon OC just to get a decent shroud. Other than that? Either will need a set of 4D pads. My 1st TW was purchased pre Hillary. My 2nd was purchased 2nd hand. I’d do a lot of research before I bought another TW new. I’d look at the other brands first, unless you can get an EE deal. We had a post TW/Hillary sale of all our inventory of around 70K. It was pennies on the dollar and the only reason we finally sold it was when we gave all the proceeds to charity at the time. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 2:50:28 PM EDT
[#35]
Thanks to all who posted. Great info shared by many.
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Posted: 5/3/2021 1:02:20 PM EDT
[#36]
The molded-in shroud of the Ops-Core Bump is no more prone to failure than any other shroud, while nothing never fails, in broad longitudinal use the molded-in shroud is not a functional problem, rather the "issues" are mostly psychological.
Polymer Bump helmets, regardless of manufacturer will be less rigid and have more flex than Carbon Fiber-based or ballistic helmets, especially under heavier loads, which is a part of the reason carbon-fiber based helmets exist. "Rattle" in the shroud/mount interface is another common complaint, however, once again, this is no more common with the molded in shroud than it is with any other shroud, including various Wilcox shrouds. The "universal" mount interface tolerance is generous to say the least, to allow compatibility with legacy mounts produced by several different companies over the last two plus odd decades. Annoying to some, but a brief survey of even this forum will see just as many complaints about "rattle" with metal shrouds as with molded-in ones. Both Wilcox and Norotos have tried to "upgrade" the mount interface standard to ones with tighter tolerances, and both have largely been commercial failures, as universal style mounts remain far more popular and are pretty much all discontinued. Wilcox's current "rail mount" continues to hold on to a shred of life largely due to the sponsorship of a single organization, but it is uncertain how much longer it will persist. ~Augee |
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Posted: 5/11/2021 10:17:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2021 10:28:04 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryI have one of their ballistic helmets and I think it’s awesome. They also have an XL size for those with a huge melon as several on this thread have commented. The rails accept MLOK accessories. I have a buddy that has the HHV Bump helmet and he’s really happy with it as well.  Attached File |
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