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Posted: 5/15/2022 6:11:41 AM EDT
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Well i am going to tell you this; good luck finding a kac suppressor. They are not even taking orders right now, and if you find something be prepared to pay $2000.00-$4000.00
I have been shooting mine with rc2 for years now and haven’t had a moment i wished i had kac. Heck there are much better options in the market now before i consider a kac suppressor. However, i understand the sentiment as i posses certain level ocd myself. I like things matching. Suppressor is just not one of them. If it bothers you so much your options are only 2 so there you go. Life is short, enjoy what you got, SF cans are great. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 8:59:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/15/2022 9:35:10 AM EDT
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MAMS is the KAC compensator. Solid muzzle device, wish I still had mine. They’re almost as hard to find as QDC cans now. I have one, a full size black QDC. I love it but really want a mini or two. I give people a hard time for putting anything other than a KAC can on a KAC gun but it’s completely logical right now. As soon as I move, I’m probably going to get an SF mini to hold me over u til QDCs become more available again.
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Posted: 5/15/2022 12:07:15 PM EDT
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I understand your thought process OP, I bought a KAC CRS three years ago to run specifically on my SR15/25 rifles....
What I am looking for right now is a 556 MAMS....have been looking for 2 years now, nothing. I am convienced KAC is playing with us on purpose....looking back, even knowing they make an excellent rifle, I dont think I would have gone down the KAC highway.... I may cause some agita with with this statement, but my Larue 762 OBR outshoots my SR25, adjustable gas block, less recoil and overall a better package....and believe me, I am not a Larue fan boy.... Good luck with you search...my local dealer told me last year he has heard it will be years before the KAC production flow returns to anything remote to normal To add: My Deadair Sandman S is quieter than my CRS |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:11:52 PM EDT
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If you listen to the most recent podcasts that Trey Knight has been on, you’ll understand a bit better. EVERYTHING that they offer to the commercial market is because of some .gov contract or product development. Yes, they made 16” barrels to accommodate the civilian side, but the barrel technology itself was not developed specifically for commercial market.
The commercial market only offsets their government work. It’s not that they don’t care about the civilian market, they just don’t care if you buy their products or not. It’s not going to make or break them because they aren’t in the volume business to begin with. I hate to say it, but it’s almost a privilege to own KAC products…..not a right.  To answer OP, as good as my QDC suppressor runs on my SR-15 Mod 2…I wouldn’t hesitate to put a 5.56 endcap on my Sandman-S and run the hell out of it. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 3:39:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you listen to the most recent podcasts that Trey Knight has been on, you’ll understand a bit better. EVERYTHING that they offer to the commercial market is because of some .gov contract or product development. Yes, they made 16” barrels to accommodate the civilian side, but the barrel technology itself was not developed specifically for commercial market. The commercial market only offsets their government work. It’s not that they don’t care about the civilian market, they just don’t care if you buy their products or not. It’s not going to make or break them because they aren’t in the volume business to begin with. I hate to say it, but it’s almost a privilege to own KAC products…..not a right. To answer OP, as good as my QDC suppressor runs on my SR-15 Mod 2…I wouldn’t hesitate to put a 5.56 endcap on my Sandman-S and run the hell out of it. I do get what you are saying and while there may have been some frustration in my post above, the fact that you cant get basic parts is what bothers me....and yes I am lucky to have the KAC stuff I do have, including 4 KAC bipods....which from what I can tell have evaporated off the face of the earth.... If anyone has a lead on a 556 MAMS, new or used, please let me know.... |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 5:41:37 PM EDT
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Dude no brainer, Surefire in the interim.. acquire a knights can / knight stick as they become more available. Good luck
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Posted: 5/16/2022 12:46:11 PM EDT
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I believe MAMS the term stood for multi-axis, muzzle stability.
There was a time around 2010 where low flash compensators were the rage, that segment seems to have started with the 1957 Armalite AR10 sound, flash, and recoil compensator, which was a huge sound suppressor sized muzzle device compensator. The AR10 unit was probably inspired in part by the earlier FG42 compensator so it may be more accurate and less American to give the Germans at least partial credit for it. German arms technology in post WWII era was very closely studied by Aberdeen and the firearms industry. I met a firearms collector who’s father (an Army Ranger officer), was tasked in post WWII with gathering up relevant small arms examples and shipping them back to Aberdeen for study. Kac got at least some of their FG42’s from the Colt collection, evidence Colt studied it. Knights made a spinoff I feel was related to the 1957 Armalite device for the Colt ACR rifle that the Army never adopted. The muzzle device was regardless an interesting piece of work. They then made the Triple tap brake with Doug Olson, which was patented and miniaturized the functions of flash and muzzle rise compensation down to the size of the NT4 comp mount. The battle arms development battle comp came out around 2008 or so (I can’t remember) and we made a comp with 90 degree holes around a time KAC made the mams. Our device was made on the theory of flow rates and the miners safety lamp, and our inspiration was the AR10 compensator, but our holes were .093” for manufacturability because tiny drills are problematic in manufacturing and our device was affordable and had to be for it to have any market relevance. It seems that possibly the reason for the mams was the trouble of machining the TTB with the tiny slots. The mams however does not use holes 90 degrees to bore axis, it puts them in at a slight rearward angle, and that’s probably where (multi-axis) comes in. They are also smaller I believe, I don’t know what size exactly. They dropped cost about 25-35% ish from the TTB to the mams, but it was still 2.5-3 times the cost of competing devices. I haven’t fired a mams or a ttb, and have only seen the mams once at a trade show. It seems they are well liked, and they probably work pretty well. |
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Posted: 5/16/2022 12:52:33 PM EDT
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 MAMS. In NT4 and QDC flavors. |
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Posted: 5/18/2022 12:22:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I do get what you are saying and while there may have been some frustration in my post above, the fact that you cant get basic parts is what bothers me....and yes I am lucky to have the KAC stuff I do have, including 4 KAC bipods....which from what I can tell have evaporated off the face of the earth.... If anyone has a lead on a 556 MAMS, new or used, please let me know.... You looking for a QDC or NT4 MAMS? I came across a QDC about a year ago and regret not buying it as my 11.5” is 100% suppressed with my KAC QDC. Id like to replace the flash eliminator with MAMS. |
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Posted: 5/18/2022 3:33:12 PM EDT
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If you actually use QDC silencers, my extremely limited experience has pointed toward never using the MAMS and using the 3-prong QDC flash hider. I've had fit/interference issues.
The information given to me from high-round-count QDC users is that the MAMS is more likely to carbon lock, get stuck during attachment or reattachment of the silencer(s), and anecdotal reports being given to me now indicate downrange accuracy concern with the MAMS. Again, that is not personal experience, so take that as such. I can tell you on high round count QDC silencers I have examined, blast baffle cutting occurs with the 3-prong, but to that I say - who cares. Happens on the RC2 as well, and that silencer works just fine with high round counts as well. I, for one, am looking for a QDC silencer for myself. Some day, when supply comes back I guess. For now, I tested some of them. Stay tuned for that. I absolutely love the latching mechanism. So dang slick. 3-prong gang, though. Jay PEW Science P.S. - I see no reason why the MAMS for the NT4 isn't fine (well, besides the fact that the NT4 isn't going to have the repeatable accuracy of the QDC due to no index pin, lockup method, etc) Stay tuned for signature comparisons.... |
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Posted: 5/18/2022 3:54:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For now, I tested some of them. Stay tuned for that. I absolutely love the latching mechanism. So dang slick. 3-prong gang, though. Jay PEW Science You are saying so much without saying much at all. Can't wait for this review. |
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