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That’s very interesting observation, I’ll double check my magazines. The one in the picture you linked of mine are the 40 rounders and I don’t believe I had a jam with them however I’ll double check if my 30 rounders have this issue. Although I’m not sure if that gap would cause a double feed, do you have a theory of what could happen?
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"90-over-7" is actually "L/06", being a date code of May 1994. There's hundreds of thousands of those mags with the exact same date code...
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I will say the Steyr Gentlmen has been good regarding getting me the blueprint of the barrel threads and profile so I can have a custom Suppressor adapter made. He’s been very fast to communication and I will commend Steyr for that good customer service. I brought up several points made here and he elaborated on what he meant last night. https://i.imgur.com/LswSLli.png https://i.imgur.com/evKur9S.png https://i.imgur.com/bMo08bR.png View Quote Anybody ever intentionally alligned all 3 gas rings to create a blowby to see if the rifle still functions? So that conversation looks like that's a screenshot of PMs with Steyr? Did you let them know you were posting screen grabs here? |
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Quoted: That's an odd deal, but if they're saying that slow bolts can cause a double feed, have you checked the gas rings on the piston for alignment? I can tell on my AR-10 uppers exactly when the gas-rings all line up (or even two with the last one working its way there). Shit starts to go south fast. First the rounds impact low and then the gun stops cycling. The rule of thirds applies. Keep your gas rings clocked at 1/3s. Unlike my AR-10s, the gaps in my AUG gas rings do not try to migrate toward each other. Anybody ever intentionally alligned all 3 gas rings to create a blowby to see if the rifle still functions? So that conversation looks like that's a screenshot of PMs with Steyr? Did you let them know you were posting screen grabs here? View Quote As to posting their replys- all communications of that nature should be assumed to be published on the front page of the newspaper, there is no obligation to inform them such is being posted - this isn't a private surreptitiously recorded conversation. |
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Quoted: Best guess I got is a slow bolt allows enough time for a round to raise high enough for the rim to engage the bolt lugs still coming back. I guess - if that claim is true at all. As to posting their replys- all communications of that nature should be assumed to be published on the front page of the newspaper, there is no obligation to inform them such is being posted - this isn't a private surreptitiously recorded conversation. View Quote |
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Let me roll that last post back. the OP might have gotten permission to post screen grabs.
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And yes lazy, I see what you;re seeing in those last couple pics. Annealing is sporadic at best. Wouldnt an engineer would notice that?
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Given the message are from their Company profile answering product related questions and not a personal account with personal information. I don’t think I am obligated by law or ethical standards to ask for permission to post their responses about their publicly available products having malfunctions. What they say to me would be exactly what they would tell other customers. The information provided may help other owners get answers regarding this issue with new rifles.
What they say to customers is public information in my opinion, they are representing their company regardless of what form of messaging. If they requested I take it down, I will. Lastly I didn’t post their response in spite or frustration? I posted so members here could see what they suggested I do and others that had similar problems so they could see to. I praised them several times for good customer service so I highly recommend you should reread what I posted before saying or suggesting that my posts were negative toward their company |
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Yeah, that sounds legit, but im pretty curious as to why you posted here when they seem to have been answering your questions. Were you worried that Steyr wouldnt fix an actual problem?
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Yeah, that sounds legit, but im pretty curious as to why you posted here when they seem to have been answering your questions. Were you worried that Steyr wouldnt fix an actual problem? View Quote I’ll post pictures of the gas rings soon |
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Two are almost aligned. 2, 6 and 10 oclock.
But damn, that's the cleanest piston after a thousand rounds that I have ever seen. For Realz. No Realzies. |
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can you elaborate on your theory? I’m not sure I understand
I do appreciate the help, I’ll separate them like you said to see if that helps |
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did you scrub the shit out of your piston lately? I think I saw you said you had 1K rounds through that gun. Your piston and spring tell a different story. No chance there's been more than a couple boxes of amo past that.
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did you scrub the shit out of your piston lately? I think I saw you said you had 1K rounds through that gun. Your piston and spring tell a different story. No chance there's been more than a couple boxes of amo past that. View Quote |
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I clean and maintain my rifle every time I use it, I don’t let it build up. I’ve done likely way over 1000 rounds But I’m not sure on the exact number. I’ve been to the range around 10 times and shoot at a minimum of a 100 rounds, if not more View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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did you scrub the shit out of your piston lately? I think I saw you said you had 1K rounds through that gun. Your piston and spring tell a different story. No chance there's been more than a couple boxes of amo past that. Then there's the photo evidence of Walmart .223 bulk pack. It's notoriously underpowered. Let's put it all together now. You have an STG77 with the 20" barrel, use underpowered .223 ammo, and clean the AUG religiously after what you say is maybe 100rds at minimum each outing. The STG77's are about a year and a half old, having an STG77 myself the springs are typical new AUG - stiff and heavy. The AUG 20" barrels have a different recoil implulse than the 16" AUG's, I can't quantify it, but it is softer. Underpowered ammo is going to cause issues with a new AUG. Cleaning the AUG too much doesn't allow carbon to help seal off your gas system. Assuming weak ammo is creating less pressure in your gas system, with an added drop of pressure from a 20" barrel and perhaps leaking piston because it's not been packed off with carbon, adding to that heavy as hell springs in the carrier rods and in the hammer pack, it could all be a perfect recipe for the malfunction you're experiencing. Now let's assume you have a funky magazine or two. You're SOL. There's lots of great advice in this thread, many experienced user's and Steyr's rep's advice is solid. All of it being free, take it for what it is. Good luck in your course. If you still have problems, Herbert is a good guy but you'll be out your gun during the wait. |
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I got to say, Jonathan, I'm guilty of the very same behavior. Being a non mil guy I probably tend to overclean my weapons so I'll quit that. And I'll assemble my A3 and continue to test with my crappy mag, although a cursory search of my stash didn't reveal any more of them so maybe it came with a rifle, maybe my A3M1?
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Quoted: NRAar has a good point. Your gun is really really clean. If I had a brand new AUG I wouldn't clean it until it malfunctioned due to the gunk. AUG's have a design such that cleaning should be minimal of effort and frequency. I once pulled the piston out of my A1 MG host and had to chisel off the accumulated and burnt on carbon on the piston face. Then there's the photo evidence of Walmart .223 bulk pack. It's notoriously underpowered. Let's put it all together now. You have an STG77 with the 20" barrel, use underpowered .223 ammo, and clean the AUG religiously after what you say is maybe 100rds at minimum each outing. The STG77's are about a year and a half old, having an STG77 myself the springs are typical new AUG - stiff and heavy. The AUG 20" barrels have a different recoil implulse than the 16" AUG's, I can't quantify it, but it is softer. Underpowered ammo is going to cause issues with a new AUG. Cleaning the AUG too much doesn't allow carbon to help seal off your gas system. Assuming weak ammo is creating less pressure in your gas system, with an added drop of pressure from a 20" barrel and perhaps leaking piston because it's not been packed off with carbon, adding to that heavy as hell springs in the carrier rods and in the hammer pack, it could all be a perfect recipe for the malfunction you're experiencing. Now let's assume you have a funky magazine or two. You're SOL. There's lots of great advice in this thread, many experienced user's and Steyr's rep's advice is solid. All of it being free, take it for what it is. Good luck in your course. If you still have problems, Herbert is a good guy but you'll be out your gun during the wait. View Quote AUG gas port sizes, click here I thought it sounded questionable, possibly a typo......but if that is true, the 20" would have considerably more port pressure than a 16" barreled AUG. |
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Thank you for the advice, I didn’t realize carbon build up is a good thing, I’ll hold off cleaning until it’s throughly shoot
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Steyr will absolutely come through for you if it comes down to having send a rifle in.
I’ve been nothing but impressed when I had to use them. |
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On lunch break during the class, had bolt back all week, rifle on adverse settings using a mix of federal and AE
Only had one double feed in the first couple mags, So far everything else has been fine but will shoot more after lunch |
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That poor rifle. Let's think logically.
*AUGs are generally considered somewhat overgassed, even on normal setting with a 16" barrel, not a 20". A 20 supposedly has the same size gas port, so should flow even more gas into the cylinder. *Adverse setting is for adverse conditions, such as being filthy or full of dirt, soot, or cold dried out lube, etc. OP's rifle has fired well over 1000 rounds, and is kept oiled and meticulously clean. Why, again should this well broken in, clean and oiled rifle require adverse setting? Why run it there for hundreds of rounds? What exactly is that going to do? Everything in the AUG that can cause friction is plastic on plastic or highly polished chrome and steel except the springs, right? Doesn't normal setting shoving the bolt all the way back "break in" the spring enough? Do you think battering the parts back faster into the stock helps break it in? Even after 1500 rounds? *Everyone else's AUG works fine pretty much out of the box on normal setting. Now I'm reading in this thread that guns don't work properly as designed unless they have a build up of carbon. (?) Not that it matters what I believe, but BTW I'm one that thinks repeated motion is most likely what weakens a spring over time, not sitting in one position, and the "leave the bolt locked back for a month" thing isn't all that. I read somewhere where actual WW2 1911 magazines were found fully loaded since the '40s and when tested, had the full new specification stiffness. Of course anyone can type anything online, who knows. So, at first I thought the rifle was maybe overgassed. I still don't think it's the mags. I don't know what's wrong, and in my opinion, nobody is going to pin it down via this thread. I would absolutely send it back to Steyr, or else accept that a double feed every 300 rounds is how it's going to be. I just feel bad thinking of OP abusing his gun on high setting because folks suggested it to soften up the springs. Gut instinct tells me none of this is right. |
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3 double feeds out of 500 rounds, different magazines, all adverse setting
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Quoted: Send it back. You're right, a $2000 rifle should be flawless. How many KAC SR15s go back for repair? Not very many, there seems to be a high amount of AUGs being returned to Steyr for a myriad of issues, including mine. Steyr needs to step up their quality control. View Quote |
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He told me to call and organize sending it back, hopefully that fixes things
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Now I'm reading in this thread that guns don't work properly as designed unless they have a build up of carbon. (?) View Quote View Quote FWIW, the gentleman at Steyr who helped the OP throughout his ordeal over this last week and I have spoken at length regarding the issues presented by his gun since OP made it public. Everything offered to OP in this thread is solid advice for diagnosis of his problem (maybe except my point on bbl pressure that mad madrigan brought up) without having the gun in hand AND it was offered as an alternative to sending the gun into Steyr. In the end it doesn't matter. The gun is going back to Steyr where their gunsmith will diagnose and fix the problem. |
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Steyr received my rifle on Friday and fixed the rifle by Monday now that is some fast service. Steyr has some of the best customer service! I will receive the rifle tomorrow. I believe they replaced the bolt and/or extractor. I believe Herbert stated they received the same malfunction when testing and the new parts solved it. He could have done more but I didn’t ask, as long as the rifle works I am happy.
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