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Posted: 1/12/2022 2:36:11 PM EDT
Couldn’t find another VHS specific thread to bump.
It appears there could be a VHS announcement this week.  What is this logo?  Slightly more discussion here https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Springfield-Armory-HS-Produkt-VHS-/5-2521396/? |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 2:51:07 PM EDT
[#1]
nifty, I've never even heard of the VHS before, but look forward to seeing it.
Any idea on $$? thx |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 2:53:34 PM EDT
[#2]
Sub'd for more information
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Posted: 1/12/2022 3:30:54 PM EDT
[#3]
I WANT TO BELIEVE!
Of course it happens when I just told the wife we watch our spending. 
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Posted: 1/12/2022 3:54:54 PM EDT
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They already import HS products (xd line), so the VHS rifle isn't a far stretch. I'd buy one if it's cheap enough.
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Posted: 1/12/2022 4:30:21 PM EDT
[#5]
Oh yes!!!!
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Posted: 1/12/2022 5:16:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/12/2022 5:20:13 PM EDT
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The logo looks like an H with a sword through it?
Nothing I recognize. Not an official HS Produkt mark. Maybe a fancier marketing name since VHS-K3 is likely to be obscure or dated sounding. H for the HS Produkt heritage, Sword/Blade/Dagger for the new product line? ETA - And I'm going to be so pissed if this is an epic cocktease.
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Posted: 1/12/2022 5:49:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The logo looks like an H with a sword through it? I did an image search after trying to sharpen up and refine the logo and got nothing. That said, it does seem vaguely familiar...kind of like a bad guy logo from a cheap D grade 80s movie. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 6:37:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did an image search after trying to sharpen up and refine the logo and got nothing. That said, it does seem vaguely familiar...kind of like a bad guy logo from a cheap D grade 80s movie. You mean the kind that would be on a "VHS" tape??? |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 7:32:26 PM EDT
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Of the two types, I like looks of the bottom one.
 
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Posted: 1/12/2022 7:40:06 PM EDT
[#11]
  Wonder how it measures up to the AUG. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 8:17:36 PM EDT
[#12]
The Hellion, eh?
I love that final config. Looks like compatibility with AR grips was a feature.
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Posted: 1/12/2022 8:53:08 PM EDT
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If they decide they want to bring it to the US market, I would expect people like Garandthumb, Iraq veteran8888, MAC, In Range, etc. to get review models first. I would be looking forward to their videos.
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Posted: 1/12/2022 9:00:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they decide they want to bring it to the US market, I would expect people like Garandthumb, Iraq veteran8888, MAC, In Range, etc. to get review models first. I would be looking forward to their videos. I'll wait until someone who buys it with their own money does a review on it. In Range would do that, the others? I doubt it. I saw the reviews for the SA-35 and whoever SA gave a gun to pretty much said it was God's gift to Hi-Powers...but the people who actually spent their own coin on it had vastly different reviews. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 9:09:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://i.postimg.cc/yNCnvmQ4/38-E150-F8-C5-FE-4307-BCFB-9-C8713-B892-DF.png https://i.postimg.cc/DzQ6DSHW/B5040313-852-C-4801-933-E-DC96-AD9-FAE6-A.png Wonder how it measures up to the AUG. ?? |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 10:01:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll wait until someone who buys it with their own money does a review on it. In Range would do that, the others? I doubt it. I saw the reviews for the SA-35 and whoever SA gave a gun to pretty much said it was God's gift to Hi-Powers...but the people who actually spent their own coin on it had vastly different reviews. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If they decide they want to bring it to the US market, I would expect people like Garandthumb, Iraq veteran8888, MAC, In Range, etc. to get review models first. I would be looking forward to their videos. I'll wait until someone who buys it with their own money does a review on it. In Range would do that, the others? I doubt it. I saw the reviews for the SA-35 and whoever SA gave a gun to pretty much said it was God's gift to Hi-Powers...but the people who actually spent their own coin on it had vastly different reviews. Good point. You never know who to trust. But so far, I don’t think I’ve seen much that would indicate that most reviewers are necessarily speaking any definitive falsehoods. Either way, even if a review is somewhat skewed, it will still provide plain information on certain aspects, such as controls, function, etc. Plus, sometimes it’s nice just to see one in action. Either way, I am still curious about the VHS. I don’t plan on ever buying one. I think I’m happy with what I’ve got. It’s still nice to see new things coming to market. |
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Posted: 1/13/2022 12:00:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/13/2022 8:41:40 AM EDT
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Supposedly they’ve been working on it for a long time. I remember there being talk about it a year or two back. That’s said it’s never materialized and I would assume we will see more variations of the sa-35 first.
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Posted: 1/13/2022 9:29:18 AM EDT
[#19]
That's a funky looking thing. Aesthetically, it looks like a cross between a FAMAS, Keltec RDB and HK G36.
Nice to see us have a lot of options on the market these days. |
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Posted: 1/13/2022 9:59:01 AM EDT
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A friend sent me a text about this..."Imagine SA trolling everyone with nothing but a retro 60s or 70s era Saint".
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Posted: 1/13/2022 10:10:36 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryDoes that look like a modernized version of the FAMAS bullpup to anyone else? |
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Posted: 1/13/2022 11:01:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Supposedly they've been working on it for a long time. I remember there being talk about it a year or two back. That's said it's never materialized and I would assume we will see more variations of the sa-35 first. |
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Posted: 1/13/2022 11:06:09 AM EDT
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IF it is that bullpup, I bet they price it at 1500ish.
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Posted: 1/13/2022 11:41:13 AM EDT
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VHS is one stout bully...can't wait to see the MSRP...
Think G36 in a bullpup configuration... Croatia and Iraq are the largest users as of yet for this rifle...it was the runner up against the 416 in France...but knowing France...they probably wanted to give their $$$ to big daddy of the EU... Deutschland... |
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Posted: 1/13/2022 11:45:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does that look like a modernized version of the FAMAS bullpup to anyone else? Quote HistoryQuoted: Does that look like a modernized version of the FAMAS bullpup to anyone else? Quoted: Think G36 in a bullpup configuration... |
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Posted: 1/13/2022 12:23:14 PM EDT
[#26]
The length of pull looks very long on it
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Posted: 1/13/2022 1:17:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://i.postimg.cc/yNCnvmQ4/38-E150-F8-C5-FE-4307-BCFB-9-C8713-B892-DF.png https://i.postimg.cc/DzQ6DSHW/B5040313-852-C-4801-933-E-DC96-AD9-FAE6-A.png Wonder how it measures up to the AUG. No pistol grip and proprietary 5 round mags? I don’t like the sound of that. Hopefully that would be just to get them into the country, and then they swap out parts to de-neuter them. |
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Posted: 1/13/2022 1:37:58 PM EDT
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I can't wait to see what this will cost...I might have to get one..
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Posted: 1/13/2022 1:38:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's exactly what I was thinking. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does that look like a modernized version of the FAMAS bullpup to anyone else? Quoted: Think G36 in a bullpup configuration... Talking about G36, that magazine looks exactly like a G36 mag. I will happily buy one. |
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Posted: 1/13/2022 2:06:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No pistol grip and proprietary 5 round mags? I don’t like the sound of that. Hopefully that would be just to get them into the country, and then they swap out parts to de-neuter them. Has to be, would kill it otherwise. I assume that’s just to pass them into the states. |
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Posted: 1/13/2022 2:07:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw some rumblings that SA patented language about a "hellion" in 2018 or 2019. Yeah this one has been in the oven for awhile. They have the relationship with their other pistol but still would be surprised if it actually hit. |
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Posted: 1/13/2022 2:34:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No pistol grip and proprietary 5 round mags? I don’t like the sound of that. Hopefully that would be just to get them into the country, and then they swap out parts to de-neuter them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://i.postimg.cc/yNCnvmQ4/38-E150-F8-C5-FE-4307-BCFB-9-C8713-B892-DF.png https://i.postimg.cc/DzQ6DSHW/B5040313-852-C-4801-933-E-DC96-AD9-FAE6-A.png Wonder how it measures up to the AUG. No pistol grip and proprietary 5 round mags? I don’t like the sound of that. Hopefully that would be just to get them into the country, and then they swap out parts to de-neuter them. I’m sure it is. SA is primarily an firearm importer they know the 922r rules and how to work them for rifles and the points system for pistols. Unless they were to start large scale manufacturing with a much closer relationship with the Croatian company that makes the vhs they have to import the rifle from Croatia in a legal form then they can swap parts and change configuration around 922r bullshit. Like how imported aks come in single stack then get the mag well opened up and enough US parts added to legally de neutered them etc. |
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Posted: 1/13/2022 2:58:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No pistol grip and proprietary 5 round mags? I don’t like the sound of that. Hopefully that would be just to get them into the country, and then they swap out parts to de-neuter them. It is how you import them into this country then you apply 922r parts...just like how FN did with their Belgian SCARs...or CZ with their Brens...IWI with Tavors etcc..... |
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Posted: 1/13/2022 3:27:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Talking about G36, that magazine looks exactly like a G36 mag. I will happily buy one. There are G36, STANAG and Famas magazine wells for the Croatian version. I am sure the US will come with STANAG by default, I hope they bring over the G36 magwell and the HS G36 pattern mags. |
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Posted: 1/13/2022 7:42:31 PM EDT
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I'm very excited for this if Springfield can finally confirm these VHS2 rifles will be for sale for the civi market.
I've been tracking the development of this since that ATF approval letter YT video back in July. Like others said, it will come with the AR magwell (going by the leaked pic mag release button). And like others, I hope Springfield will bring in factory G36 pattern magazines and the original magwell. I think the "as currently configured rifle" looks better with the TangoDown grip. Maybe down the road Springfield can bring in the full size model with the integrated RD.  
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Posted: 1/13/2022 7:52:46 PM EDT
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Gun Jesus had done a video of the VHS2 couple of months ago. Basically, this model was designed for the FAMAS replacement but gotten beaten by the 416.
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Posted: 1/13/2022 7:56:09 PM EDT
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I've been itching for the integrated optic one since I first saw them. I'm sorta hoping someone makes an AUG mag compatible magwell for it too.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 2:04:02 AM EDT
[#38]
Here it is!
https://youtu.be/aF4FUUqa3Ug |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 2:05:30 AM EDT
[#39]
YouTube video preview of the hellion (dumb name).
Wish it didn't have the BCM pistol grip. Looks out of place.  Springfield Armory HELLION |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 3:42:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here it is! https://youtu.be/aF4FUUqa3Ug  VHS-2 a/k/a/ Springfield Hellion Bullpup Review & Mud Test |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 4:28:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been itching for the integrated optic one since I first saw them. I'm sorta hoping someone makes an AUG mag compatible magwell for it too. I think it would be hilarious to see someone produce an AR that takes AUG magazines, but still somehow utilizes the standard AR mag release button. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 4:29:02 AM EDT
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I hope they eventually bring in the integrated optic carry handle. Also the 19" barrel version would be cool to see.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 4:56:57 AM EDT
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Reviews coming in say it’s super reliable and accurate. Too bad about the price tag though.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 5:04:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reviews coming in say it’s super reliable and accurate. Too bad about the price tag though. MSRP $1999.00 Lets see where the street prices will fall. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 5:29:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reviews coming in say it’s super reliable and accurate. Too bad about the price tag though. Interested to see reviews where people weren't given a rifle. People are often more objective when something isn't free. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 6:14:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interested to see reviews where people weren't given a rifle. People are often more objective when something isn't free. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Reviews coming in say it’s super reliable and accurate. Too bad about the price tag though. Interested to see reviews where people weren't given a rifle. People are often more objective when something isn't free. TFB was plenty critical of their safety, bolt release, and their journalistic credentials, in this video. He even gave a “meh” reaction to the trigger. So it doesn’t seem to me like he would be lying or overselling the rifle. One of the biggest things he mentioned about it is that it is very reliable and accurate, despite the suboptimal controls. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 6:46:03 AM EDT
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I'm thinking SHOT release/premier.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 6:52:22 AM EDT
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Now the question remains, when will we begin seeing these on store shelves?
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Posted: 1/14/2022 7:08:44 AM EDT
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I signed up for the giveaway on the 22d.
I watched the TFB review; not my favorite host but the only one I saw posted. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 7:13:41 AM EDT
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Watching w/o sound the bolt release looks cumbersome, if that's where it is.
I'm in. I wasn't an early adopter of the xd line I did jump in with both feet after getting comfortable with 40 cal. |
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