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Posted: 2/7/2019 3:01:43 PM EDT
Asking for a friend
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 3:10:07 PM EDT
Was it actually ever an issue? Or did people have unrealistic expectations?
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 3:16:23 PM EDT
Being it is smaller than my 10.5" SBR with the stock in a (short) shooting position, I compare the accuracy of the X95 to the 10.5", although the 16" x95 has the benefit of additional velocity which is critical to M193.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 3:32:09 PM EDT
It was definitely an issue with my two. Mine would shoot around 4+ moa. Loved everything else about it but just couldn’t justify that kind of accuracy especially with my AUG shooting 1.5 moa. Now that Steyr is going to nitrated bbls I figured it’s time to check in again with IWI. I was hoping they fixed the random flyer issues.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 8:22:12 PM EDT
They explained their delay of the Tavor 7 as needing more precision than their 'Israeli' standard.

I think they're happy with the X95 accuracy from their standpoint.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 9:20:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FullAssault:I was hoping they fixed the random flyer issues.
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I’ve heard this many times before, but can’t comprehend how it’s even possible or what would cause it. Can someone explain it to me to point to a link with info?
Link Posted: 2/23/2019 12:32:24 PM EDT
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Has anyone considered the possibility of bullet deformation from cycling as a factot?

I posted about this a while back, but I was using some soft points in my x95 and noticed that it REALLY messed up the tip of the bullet when it cycled.

When I am able (I broke my arm last Saturday) I may do a side by side accuracy test firing normally and then single loading each round.
I am VERY curious to see if this makes a difference.
ETA here is a picture of the bullet.
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Link Posted: 2/23/2019 1:58:49 PM EDT
Ouch.

I still believe that the SAR variant is the best Tavor made...
Link Posted: 2/23/2019 2:00:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Urban_Viking:
Has anyone considered the possibility of bullet deformation from cycling as a factot?

I posted about this a while back, but I was using some soft points in my x95 and noticed that it REALLY messed up the tip of the bullet when it cycled.

When I am able (I broke my arm last Saturday) I may do a side by side accuracy test firing normally and then single loading each round.
I am VERY curious to see if this makes a difference.
ETA here is a picture of the bullet.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/77588/20190131_204455_jpg-855344.JPG
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I'm interested to see what you find out. I was surprised to see that the barrel extension on the x95 has a little "fang" right at 6:00 where the round is coming up and over into the chamber. It sort of looks like they had to put lugs wherever they could fit them to allow a single barrel to support left or right ejection.
Link Posted: 2/24/2019 5:52:31 PM EDT
My Savage MSR Recon shot excellent groups when compared to my other 5.56 rifles. It would be interesting to see if accuracy could be improved by adopting the MSRs profile: 1/8 twist, Wylde chamber, melonite barrel and 5R rifling..
Link Posted: 4/3/2019 9:59:06 AM EDT
Any news?
Link Posted: 4/3/2019 11:04:54 AM EDT
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Nothing scientific and no pics to prove it but I took out a new x95 this past weekend to sight in with an Aimpoint T2. It's easily a 3 moa rifle so no complaints from me. Could probably do better with some magnification. The trigger is great which I think didn't hurt the accuracy any.
Link Posted: 4/4/2019 7:02:21 PM EDT
With match ammo and a fine magnified optic, I wouldn't be surprised if you cut that in half. Just based on common experience with other guns.
Link Posted: 4/5/2019 5:14:11 PM EDT
Like the way my X95 shoots
Flaws are accuracy of 3MOA w ball ammo that my AR shoots under 1.5 moa
No forward assist
No bolt release

AUG doesn’t have any of these issues
Link Posted: 4/5/2019 5:15:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SpyHawk:
With match ammo and a fine magnified optic, I wouldn't be surprised if you cut that in half. Just based on common experience with other guns.
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No matter what ammo u use it’s in accurate
Match ammo in my at will get u sub MOA or MOA at most
Link Posted: 4/5/2019 6:51:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By M923GreenMachine:
Like the way my X95 shoots
Flaws are accuracy of 3MOA w ball ammo that my AR shoots under 1.5 moa
No forward assist
No bolt release

AUG doesn’t have any of these issues
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The new charging handle does act as a forward assist. There is a bolt release, more conveniently located than that on the AUG.
Link Posted: 4/6/2019 8:32:54 AM EDT
Replaced my x95 with an AUG......issue fixed
Link Posted: 4/8/2019 8:21:14 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By M923GreenMachine:
Like the way my X95 shoots
Flaws are accuracy of 3MOA w ball ammo that my AR shoots under 1.5 moa
No forward assist
No bolt release

AUG doesn’t have any of these issues
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Already have an AUG, but wouldn’t buy another because they quit selling them with CLB. If it wasn’t for the accuracy issues with the X95 I would pick up another was hoping it was just issue with the early guns like the one I have.
Link Posted: 4/8/2019 12:21:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By M923GreenMachine:
Like the way my X95 shoots
Flaws are accuracy of 3MOA w ball ammo that my AR shoots under 1.5 moa
No forward assist
No bolt release

AUG doesn’t have any of these issues
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The x95 has a bolt release.
Link Posted: 4/9/2019 12:26:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ShadowAngel:
The x95 has a bolt release.
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Originally Posted By ShadowAngel:
Originally Posted By M923GreenMachine:
Like the way my X95 shoots
Flaws are accuracy of 3MOA w ball ammo that my AR shoots under 1.5 moa
No forward assist
No bolt release

AUG doesn’t have any of these issues
The x95 has a bolt release.
And a better trigger, and better mag release, and better mounting options.

Granted the new AUG NATO does have a bolt release, but at this point the only thing the AUG has on the X95 is quick change barrels and accuracy.
Link Posted: 4/9/2019 8:18:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SpyHawk:

And a better trigger, and better mag release, and better mounting options.

Granted the new AUG NATO does have a bolt release, but at this point the only thing the AUG has on the X95 is quick change barrels and accuracy.
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Only accuracy, eh?

Forrest
Link Posted: 4/9/2019 8:36:16 PM EDT
Love mine. It shoots great.
No “flyers” unless l do it.
Link Posted: 4/9/2019 9:06:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ftierson:

Only accuracy, eh?

Forrest
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Depends what the purpose of the gun is.

Punching holes in paper, or punching holes in badguys. 3moa is perfectly acceptable for the latter.
Link Posted: 4/9/2019 10:14:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SpyHawk:

And a better trigger, and better mag release, and better mounting options.

Granted the new AUG NATO does have a bolt release, but at this point the only thing the AUG has on the X95 is quick change barrels and accuracy.
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The A3, not the NATO, has the bolt release/open
Link Posted: 4/9/2019 10:33:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By kiddsf:
The A3, not the NATO, has the bolt release/open
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Originally Posted By kiddsf:
Originally Posted By SpyHawk:

And a better trigger, and better mag release, and better mounting options.

Granted the new AUG NATO does have a bolt release, but at this point the only thing the AUG has on the X95 is quick change barrels and accuracy.
The A3, not the NATO, has the bolt release/open
They showed a different updated nato stock with one on their .300blk out one. But they have hinted other stuff that never come out before so who knows.
Link Posted: 4/9/2019 10:42:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kali_Refugee:
They showed a different updated nato stock with one on their .300blk out one. But they have hinted other stuff that never come out before so who knows.
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Which is why I mentioned A3, and not the new/unreleased 300blk
Link Posted: 4/9/2019 11:17:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ShadowAngel:
Depends what the purpose of the gun is.

Punching holes in paper, or punching holes in badguys. 3moa is perfectly acceptable for the latter.
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Originally Posted By ShadowAngel:
Originally Posted By ftierson:

Only accuracy, eh?

Forrest
Depends what the purpose of the gun is.

Punching holes in paper, or punching holes in badguys. 3moa is perfectly acceptable for the latter.
My 3moa groups were with a T2 on a windy cold as heck day. I have no doubt I could shrink those down using some glass and not freezing my ass off and fighting the wind.
Link Posted: 4/19/2019 2:38:19 PM EDT
My 4.5 MOA groups were with a Schmidt Bender 5-25 and 6 types of match ammo. I did find a 62 grain ammo that eventually got me down to 3.5 moa.

I took my gun apart and did everything I could to see what the deal is - no joy. Retorqued and loctited everything. This was some time ago so I don't remember the exact details.

The Bren 805 however shot great lol. So did the Radian Model 1 that I have instead of either of those. YMMV.
Link Posted: 4/19/2019 4:51:15 PM EDT
Mine is a fairly consistent 2-3 moa even with garbage ammunition.
Link Posted: 4/20/2019 1:10:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ShadowAngel:
Mine is a fairly consistent 2-3 moa even with garbage ammunition.
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Same. I’ve never had complaints with accuracy on the X95. But my expectations are realistic.

For what it’s worth, I have an easier time making consistent offhand hits with both my original Tavor and X95 than many of my ARs. Plus there is no comparison in the lack of fatigue of keeping the X95 up to the shoulder for long durations vs other rifles.

That said I do like my AUG though and am getting ready to buy another. It’s great in its own way. No plans on getting rid of any of them. What do I know though. I like my FS2000 also.
Link Posted: 4/20/2019 3:08:21 PM EDT
Anybody notice that all the big dealers seem to be clearing out their X95 stock with advertised sales?

That usually indicates a new generation being released.
Link Posted: 4/20/2019 3:19:01 PM EDT
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There never was an accuracy issue. They never made a precision x95 firearm. Only a military grade weapon.
Link Posted: 4/20/2019 4:47:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By aeroworksxp:
There never was an accuracy issue. They never made a precision x95 firearm. Only a military grade weapon.
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Hard to justify that when I’m shooting it side by side with my AUG. Both are military grade but one shoots 1.5-2” the other 4”+. I figure if IWI can make an AK accurate they can do the same with the x95.
Link Posted: 4/20/2019 6:43:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FullAssault:
Hard to justify that when I’m shooting it side by side with my AUG. Both are military grade but one shoots 1.5-2” the other 4”+. I figure if IWI can make an AK accurate they can do the same with the x95.
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Originally Posted By FullAssault:
Originally Posted By aeroworksxp:
There never was an accuracy issue. They never made a precision x95 firearm. Only a military grade weapon.
Hard to justify that when I’m shooting it side by side with my AUG. Both are military grade but one shoots 1.5-2” the other 4”+. I figure if IWI can make an AK accurate they can do the same with the x95.
I’m sure they could have made it more accurate. Instead, they made it to spec. That’s more important, especially if exceeding that spec for no particular reason adds cost, complexity, or weight. Then they sold the existing rifle (with minimal mods to make it legal) to the civilian market, the problem is the civilian market didn’t spec the rifle and gets peepee hurt when it doesn’t make them look good when they shoot it from the bench @ 100.

IWI is perfectly capable of producing a precise rifle if that’s the requirement, they’ve produced the DAN for years.
Link Posted: 4/20/2019 7:20:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By aeroworksxp:
There never was an accuracy issue. They never made a precision x95 firearm. Only a military grade weapon.
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Thats not true at all.

The X95 was less accurate then the previous generation Tavor SAR, as well as less accurate then the Galil ACE - all made by the same company for military use.

That's an accuracy issue.
Link Posted: 4/21/2019 6:26:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By doty_soty:

I’m sure they could have made it more accurate. Instead, they made it to spec. That’s more important, especially if exceeding that spec for no particular reason adds cost, complexity, or weight. Then they sold the existing rifle (with minimal mods to make it legal) to the civilian market, the problem is the civilian market didn’t spec the rifle and gets peepee hurt when it doesn’t make them look good when they shoot it from the bench @ 100.

IWI is perfectly capable of producing a precise rifle if that’s the requirement, they’ve produced the DAN for years.
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Accuracy wise, the x95 is a step backwards from that of the SAR

The ergonomics and balance drove me away from the x95 and SAR

Should have tried the AUG years ago
Link Posted: 4/21/2019 6:43:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FullAssault:

Already have an AUG, but wouldn’t buy another because they quit selling them with CLB. If it wasn’t for the accuracy issues with the X95 I would pick up another was hoping it was just issue with the early guns like the one I have.
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Wait, when did Steyr stop chrome lining their barrels? Are the newer barrels inferior in accuracy now? I was tempted to buy a new Steyr AUG later in 2019.
Link Posted: 4/21/2019 8:54:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Johnson184:

Wait, when did Steyr stop chrome lining their barrels? Are the newer barrels inferior in accuracy now? I was tempted to buy a new Steyr AUG later in 2019.
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Newer production models have US manufactured barrels, they are melonite treated, As far as over all quality, Id chose a Steyr made barrel over a FN?

The Steyr manufactured barrels were of a better quality. The melonite finished barrels SHOULD be a better better if it were manufactured as well as the Steyr
Link Posted: 4/22/2019 12:03:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Johnson184:
Wait, when did Steyr stop chrome lining their barrels? Are the newer barrels inferior in accuracy now? I was tempted to buy a new Steyr AUG later in 2019.
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Originally Posted By Johnson184:
Originally Posted By FullAssault:

Already have an AUG, but wouldn’t buy another because they quit selling them with CLB. If it wasn’t for the accuracy issues with the X95 I would pick up another was hoping it was just issue with the early guns like the one I have.
Wait, when did Steyr stop chrome lining their barrels? Are the newer barrels inferior in accuracy now? I was tempted to buy a new Steyr AUG later in 2019.
The new barrels are being manufactured in house by Steyr, whereas before they were contract made by FN.

They are still Cold Hamer Forged, but are nitrided instead of chrome lined. Pretty similar to the CHF+Nitride barrels made by LWRC.
Link Posted: 4/22/2019 4:02:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Johnson184:
Wait, when did Steyr stop chrome lining their barrels? Are the newer barrels inferior in accuracy now? I was tempted to buy a new Steyr AUG later in 2019.
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Originally Posted By Johnson184:
Originally Posted By FullAssault:

Already have an AUG, but wouldn’t buy another because they quit selling them with CLB. If it wasn’t for the accuracy issues with the X95 I would pick up another was hoping it was just issue with the early guns like the one I have.
Wait, when did Steyr stop chrome lining their barrels? Are the newer barrels inferior in accuracy now? I was tempted to buy a new Steyr AUG later in 2019.
yup, as said earlier they are nitrided now. The FN bbls had about a 5k life before the accuracy and chrome started to give way. I have a nitrided bbl I’ve been beating on for the last 3 mo. The accuracy was the same as the FN bbl at the start but opened up from 2” to 3-3.5”at 3500rds after a particularly abusive range trip. (4 or 5 mag dumps in a row). Honestly the FN bbls were not that great as of late. The new Steyr bbls are better bbls I believe. They are Austrian blanks finished by Steyr USA but the nitride/Mannox is no substitute for chrome especially if you are going to get it hot. My bbl is a sample of one so take it as such.
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