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Posted: 7/12/2019 10:20:24 AM EDT
Wondering if anyone had any experience using either or both, what did you like / not like etc.

Thanks
Link Posted: 7/12/2019 10:42:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/12/2019 10:43:22 AM EDT by fulautotank]
The Skeetir is smaller, lighter with better image and is weapon and helmet mountable. The PAS-23 is a decent spotter that fits in your pocket and you can add a 3x magnifier.

Skeetir is more better
Link Posted: 7/12/2019 10:55:39 AM EDT
More better is gooder!

Appreciate the reply.
Link Posted: 7/12/2019 11:00:31 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/12/2019 11:20:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/12/2019 1:15:49 PM EDT by fulautotank]
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Sam:
PAS-23 owner user.
Pro's

way more affordable
IR pointer laser is extremely handy depending on what you are doing.
I like its easy user interface
rugged.

con's
25 micron core
not a true clip on contrary to what some folks think.
chugs batteries at about 2 CR123's per 2 hours.
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I've had several.
I really like the short scan mode that turns the PAS-23 on for only 30 seconds ( if I remember correctly).
When moving and spotting its great. Hit it once and scan then it turns off by itself, then move forward and do the same until target is found.
It is a solidly build unit also.
Link Posted: 7/12/2019 11:32:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/12/2019 12:19:44 PM EDT
How do you use that mode? Never heard of that. Thanks.

Good replies, so far, thank you.
Link Posted: 7/13/2019 10:45:08 AM EDT
How rare are the PAS 23 3x magnifiers? And do they help much?
Link Posted: 7/13/2019 9:22:30 PM EDT
The magnifiers are out there and can be very handy, providing a level of detail that makes it feel like using an entirely different thermal.
Link Posted: 7/16/2019 11:06:16 AM EDT
Is it possible to get an operator's manual for the Skeetir-l? I cant find one online anywhere...

Thanks
Link Posted: 7/16/2019 12:54:26 PM EDT
The PAS-23 with a 3x magnifier is cool. If that’s what you can afford great!
My buddy even made a dovetail adapter for his. (Worked great and has been thru 3 owners so far)

The Skeetir-L blows it away tho when comparing them.
Also I have a custom adapted Torrey Pines 3x for my 640 skeet. I haven’t made one for an L yet but I will soon.

I use my magnifier all the time with even my 640, I like the detail better then digital zoom. And it’s fast on/off.
Link Posted: 7/18/2019 11:17:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Striwa78:
How do you use that mode? Never heard of that. Thanks.

Good replies, so far, thank you.
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If I remember correctly just hit power button once. If you want it to stay on you have to hit power button a second time.
Link Posted: 7/18/2019 12:01:39 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/18/2019 5:18:48 PM EDT
How do 23s compare to other thermals in the “sub 3000 dollar” class? And generally what distance can the detect a human size object? Does the 3x magnifier greatly extend the range?
Link Posted: 7/19/2019 9:50:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/19/2019 9:52:57 AM EDT by TNVC_Sam]
Link Posted: 8/12/2019 9:24:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mban2:
How do 23s compare to other thermals in the “sub 3000 dollar” class? And generally what distance can the detect a human size object? Does the 3x magnifier greatly extend the range?
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The PAS-23 / MTM isn’t in the $3K range. Granted, you can find used units around that range, but I would urge extreme caution since MANY of those began life in Uncle Sugar’s clutches.

500m for human “detection.” About 300m to know it’s a dude.

The magnifier makes the MTM an entirely different animal. Easily >1km human detection range. 500-600m to know it’s a dude.

It’s still an excellent choice, even if it is a decade old. 320px with 640 OLED display. Rugged, light, simple to operate, waterproof, IR spotting laser, video out for HUD or recorder — it’s a very solid unit.

Years back, it was my first-ever thermal experience. It spoiled me.

Sometime soon (within the next 10 days) I’m planning to do a TTL thermal comparison review of the PAS-23, SkeetIR-x, UTM, BAE PSQ-20C, PAS-13G (V1), Flir Command Pro 640 50mm Biocular, Halo-LR, and ATN Thor HD 640 100mm.

I could also toss in the Seek Thermal, but I’m pretty sure that just wouldn’t be right.
Link Posted: 8/16/2019 9:19:09 PM EDT
Haha!! I was hoping it's been 10 days...... but only 4
Link Posted: 8/17/2019 10:50:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Sam:
PAS-23 owner user.
Pro's

way more affordable
IR pointer laser is extremely handy depending on what you are doing.
I like its easy user interface
rugged.

con's
25 micron core
not a true clip on contrary to what some folks think.
chugs batteries at about 2 CR123's per 2 hours.
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Want to explain why 25 micron is a con?
Link Posted: 8/17/2019 10:53:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/18/2019 8:56:41 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Sam:

Because 17 um is better than 25.
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The stupidity is strong with this one.
Link Posted: 8/18/2019 1:12:11 PM EDT
the main advantage of the 17um core over the 25um is that the sensor area is smaller and so for the same size lens you get more magnification (same for 12um etc. )
and use smaller lenses so costs lower . also most of the 17um cores are quicker to start up from what i have seen , i dont think there is any advantage in performance with smaller pixel size and have heard it said that larger pixel sizes can be more marginally sensitive but i guess newer tec in the newer smaller pixel cores might equal that out
Link Posted: 8/18/2019 2:12:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By johnelot:
the main advantage of the 17um core over the 25um is that the sensor area is smaller and so for the same size lens you get more magnification (same for 12um etc. )
and use smaller lenses so costs lower . also most of the 17um cores are quicker to start up from what i have seen , i dont think there is any advantage in performance with smaller pixel size and have heard it said that larger pixel sizes can be more marginally sensitive but i guess newer tec in the newer smaller pixel cores might equal that out
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its only a cost saving measure in this field. It’s lower performance than using a larger sensor pixel all else the same. There have been generational improvements in core quality but none of it is related to the pixel pitch itself. Its like saying “this car has 18” wheels so it’s faster than the car with 16” wheels.” Dealers who promote it as anything other than cost savings are either dishonest or ignorant.
Link Posted: 8/19/2019 3:23:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Sam:

Because 17 um is better than 25.
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A ~50% reduction in collection area does not make a better sensor.
Link Posted: 8/19/2019 9:42:39 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By benzy2:

The stupidity is strong with this one.
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Pretty sure Sam was being facetious.
Link Posted: 8/19/2019 1:25:23 PM EDT
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