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Posted: 7/12/2019 10:42:15 AM EDT
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The Skeetir is smaller, lighter with better image and is weapon and helmet mountable. The PAS-23 is a decent spotter that fits in your pocket and you can add a 3x magnifier.
Skeetir is more better 
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Posted: 7/12/2019 10:55:39 AM EDT
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More better is gooder!
Appreciate the reply. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 11:00:31 AM EDT
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PAS-23 owner user.
Pro's way more affordable IR pointer laser is extremely handy depending on what you are doing. I like its easy user interface rugged. con's 25 micron core not a true clip on contrary to what some folks think. chugs batteries at about 2 CR123's per 2 hours. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 11:20:23 AM EDT
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PAS-23 owner user. Pro's way more affordable IR pointer laser is extremely handy depending on what you are doing. I like its easy user interface rugged. con's 25 micron core not a true clip on contrary to what some folks think. chugs batteries at about 2 CR123's per 2 hours. I really like the short scan mode that turns the PAS-23 on for only 30 seconds ( if I remember correctly). When moving and spotting its great. Hit it once and scan then it turns off by itself, then move forward and do the same until target is found. It is a solidly build unit also. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 11:32:16 AM EDT
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I think its like 10 or 15 sec
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Posted: 7/12/2019 12:19:44 PM EDT
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How do you use that mode? Never heard of that. Thanks.
Good replies, so far, thank you. |
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Posted: 7/13/2019 10:45:08 AM EDT
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How rare are the PAS 23 3x magnifiers? And do they help much?
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Posted: 7/13/2019 9:22:30 PM EDT
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The magnifiers are out there and can be very handy, providing a level of detail that makes it feel like using an entirely different thermal.
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Posted: 7/16/2019 11:06:16 AM EDT
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Is it possible to get an operator's manual for the Skeetir-l? I cant find one online anywhere...
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Posted: 7/16/2019 12:54:26 PM EDT
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The PAS-23 with a 3x magnifier is cool. If that’s what you can afford great!
My buddy even made a dovetail adapter for his. (Worked great and has been thru 3 owners so far) The Skeetir-L blows it away tho when comparing them. Also I have a custom adapted Torrey Pines 3x for my 640 skeet. I haven’t made one for an L yet but I will soon. I use my magnifier all the time with even my 640, I like the detail better then digital zoom. And it’s fast on/off. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 11:17:28 AM EDT
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How do you use that mode? Never heard of that. Thanks. Good replies, so far, thank you. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 12:01:39 PM EDT
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If I remember correctly just hit power button once. If you want it to stay on you have to hit power button a second time. Its just to give the user a 10-15 sec peek so he can shove it in a pouch and move without having to go through the longer power down process. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 5:18:48 PM EDT
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How do 23s compare to other thermals in the “sub 3000 dollar” class? And generally what distance can the detect a human size object? Does the 3x magnifier greatly extend the range?
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Posted: 7/19/2019 9:50:17 AM EDT
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Remember this about the PAS-23 its over a decade old so it was cutting edge in its day, with that said I'd still put it ahead of a FLIR breech in terms of range detection of a man.
In perfect conditions I've spotted humans, deer, hogs at 500 yards. The key feature is the IR pointer laser. Its a great thermal to have when working within a Team of folks wearing NODs, so that the Team leader or whomever is issued the PAS-23 can detect and point out targets to team members quickly and clandestinely while moving into or onto the objective. Being able to take still photos is an ok feature but I rarely use it. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 9:24:19 PM EDT
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How do 23s compare to other thermals in the “sub 3000 dollar” class? And generally what distance can the detect a human size object? Does the 3x magnifier greatly extend the range? 500m for human “detection.” About 300m to know it’s a dude. The magnifier makes the MTM an entirely different animal. Easily >1km human detection range. 500-600m to know it’s a dude. It’s still an excellent choice, even if it is a decade old. 320px with 640 OLED display. Rugged, light, simple to operate, waterproof, IR spotting laser, video out for HUD or recorder — it’s a very solid unit. Years back, it was my first-ever thermal experience. It spoiled me. Sometime soon (within the next 10 days) I’m planning to do a TTL thermal comparison review of the PAS-23, SkeetIR-x, UTM, BAE PSQ-20C, PAS-13G (V1), Flir Command Pro 640 50mm Biocular, Halo-LR, and ATN Thor HD 640 100mm. I could also toss in the Seek Thermal, but I’m pretty sure that just wouldn’t be right. 
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Posted: 8/16/2019 9:19:09 PM EDT
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Haha!! I was hoping it's been 10 days...... but only 4
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Posted: 8/17/2019 10:50:12 PM EDT
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PAS-23 owner user. Pro's way more affordable IR pointer laser is extremely handy depending on what you are doing. I like its easy user interface rugged. con's 25 micron core not a true clip on contrary to what some folks think. chugs batteries at about 2 CR123's per 2 hours. |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 10:53:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Want to explain why 25 micron is a con? |
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Posted: 8/18/2019 8:56:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because 17 um is better than 25. |
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Posted: 8/18/2019 1:12:11 PM EDT
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the main advantage of the 17um core over the 25um is that the sensor area is smaller and so for the same size lens you get more magnification (same for 12um etc. )
and use smaller lenses so costs lower . also most of the 17um cores are quicker to start up from what i have seen , i dont think there is any advantage in performance with smaller pixel size and have heard it said that larger pixel sizes can be more marginally sensitive but i guess newer tec in the newer smaller pixel cores might equal that out |
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Posted: 8/18/2019 2:12:12 PM EDT
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the main advantage of the 17um core over the 25um is that the sensor area is smaller and so for the same size lens you get more magnification (same for 12um etc. ) and use smaller lenses so costs lower . also most of the 17um cores are quicker to start up from what i have seen , i dont think there is any advantage in performance with smaller pixel size and have heard it said that larger pixel sizes can be more marginally sensitive but i guess newer tec in the newer smaller pixel cores might equal that out |
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Posted: 8/19/2019 3:23:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because 17 um is better than 25. |
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Posted: 8/19/2019 9:42:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The stupidity is strong with this one. |
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Posted: 8/19/2019 1:25:23 PM EDT
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Pretty sure Sam was being facetious. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The stupidity is strong with this one. 
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Posted: 8/26/2019 12:45:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure Sam was being facetious. Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure Sam was being facetious. Quoted: Da Man Horta, ya know.... |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 1:17:40 PM EDT
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Give it a rest Benzy...You continue to trash, go troll somewhere else.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 2:28:39 PM EDT
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I use Thermal for detection and want to be able to detect hot objects as far out as possible, FOV means less to me than target detection range.
A smaller sensor size results in a longer viewing range, while a larger sensor size results in wider view with less detail. Personal attacks aside I have been using thermal professionally for just shy of 20 years both at home and abroad. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 2:38:48 PM EDT
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Nominally, from the energy collection standpoint, 25um maybe better than 17um, 12um and 10um. Those numbers refer to the pixel pitch but they don't contain any information about the pixel structure or its effective area. Let me assure you, that you will not be able to get this info from sensor manufacturers. It's imaginable to have tiny sensors (pixels) that are placed 25um apart and much larger pixels that are spaced at 12um. Remember, the pixel's effective size can be quite different from the pitch because naturally there has to be a separation between pixels. But this is not the whole story. Sensors plus signal processing algorithms and capabilities had been improved dramatically over the past years. The focus of the sensor development has been on reducing the pixel pitch and improving the pixel structure, as well as increasing the array size. If modern technology was applied to the 25um sensors, they would have the best performance but nobody does that on a large scale due to the size and cost constraints. As a result, it is quite safe to say that currently produced 17um systems are, in general, much better than 15 years old 25um. Similar thinking may be applied to the comparison of 17um sensors and 12um or 10um sensors but there are certain complications that can make the accurate comparison more difficult. For example, for 12um sensors, the whole system including the objective lens has to be taken into account and there are many other factors that can have a strong play in the performance of the final product. I hope this helps.
Quote HistoryQuoted: Care to step in and explain why 17 is functionally better than 25 micron? Still waiting for a reason and not further deflection. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 4:19:23 PM EDT
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While this is comparing the SkeetIR-x to the MTM, it gives you a crude idea of the physical differences.
There is no area I can think of where the MTM beats (or even comes close to) the SkeetIR. 
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:56:29 PM EDT
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There is no area I can think of where the MTM beats (or even comes close to) the SkeetIR. You can add a 3x magnifier to the MTM.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:23:42 PM EDT
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There is one thing. You can add a 3x magnifier to the MTM. 
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:27:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What would you say if I had a 3x SkeetIR magnifier? 
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Posted: 8/27/2019 2:19:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2019 7:57:10 AM EDT
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Just kidding Don't you need germanium? |
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Posted: 8/27/2019 1:46:29 PM EDT
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Just kidding Don't you need germanium? But I’m always down for a party. |
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Posted: 8/27/2019 3:24:27 PM EDT
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But I’m always down for a party. Ain't no Playahaytah here! |
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Posted: 8/27/2019 9:31:27 PM EDT
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Confirmed. Partying with ThePlayer is a privilege. Ain't no Playahaytah here! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But I’m always down for a party. Ain't no Playahaytah here! I just crush a lot. |
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