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Posted: 6/8/2020 3:05:44 PM EDT
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Quoted: I recently converted my Sig Rattler Canebrake to 5.56 and changed to the 5.56 Rattler handguard. I took it out to shoot this weekend and it's probably my favorite gun, especially among my PCCs, ARs, and bullpups. Accurate for its purpose, barely any kick or recoil, but it definitely has a lot of concussion and blast. It's heavy too. 300 BLK was just like this as well, but it's more expensive to shoot. The group consensus with my friends and family were that it was also their favorite. I can't quite put my finger on why I love it so much. Anyone else share this sentiment? I have one in 300BLK and my good friend has one in 5.56. I enjoy shooting mine, it lives in my car go bag. i absolutely HATE being around his when he shoots it, shooting it is not horrible but being nearby is terrible. I wish Wolf steel 300 BLK came in before coronaraceriotmurderhornetslivesmatter though. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:00:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: I recently converted my Sig Rattler Canebrake to 5.56 and changed to the 5.56 Rattler handguard. I took it out to shoot this weekend and it's probably my favorite gun, especially among my PCCs, ARs, and bullpups. Accurate for its purpose, barely any kick or recoil, but it definitely has a lot of concussion and blast. It's heavy too. 300 BLK was just like this as well, but it's more expensive to shoot. The group consensus with my friends and family were that it was also their favorite. I can't quite put my finger on why I love it so much. Anyone else share this sentiment? Yes - Cool but perhaps the shortest 5.56 on the market = loud blast but definitely cheaper than 300 |
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Posted: 6/9/2020 12:51:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes - Cool but perhaps the shortest 5.56 on the market = loud blast but definitely cheaper than 300 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I recently converted my Sig Rattler Canebrake to 5.56 and changed to the 5.56 Rattler handguard. I took it out to shoot this weekend and it's probably my favorite gun, especially among my PCCs, ARs, and bullpups. Accurate for its purpose, barely any kick or recoil, but it definitely has a lot of concussion and blast. It's heavy too. 300 BLK was just like this as well, but it's more expensive to shoot. The group consensus with my friends and family were that it was also their favorite. I can't quite put my finger on why I love it so much. Anyone else share this sentiment? Yes - Cool but perhaps the shortest 5.56 on the market = loud blast but definitely cheaper than 300 I would probably buy a 5.56 upper for my rattler if I didn't already have an MPX with a case of MPX mags. I can train super short rifle even cheaper than 5.56. though the ergonomics are slightly different. but with all the same handguard attachments in place, don't really notice it too much. |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 5:32:56 PM EDT
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I like how angry people are about a 5 inch barrel 5.56.
I love mine, best impulse purchase I made this year. I did modify a bcm mod 0 because the pdw grip sucks though.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 6:20:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like how angry people are about a 5 inch barrel 5.56. I love mine, best impulse purchase I made this year. I did modify a bcm mod 0 because the pdw grip sucks though. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/408139/20200523_173501_jpg-1469563.JPG I don't mind the grip because I have small hands it does take a little tog et used to. Check out Taccoms Recoil Cushion, it lightens coil a bit. |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 9:27:26 PM EDT
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I like the size, but it's heavy and lacks effective ballistics. Great little "Get the FUCK off me!" gun, though.
I still want something like a 8" 5.56 barrel with its own suppressor... That'd be tits. |
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Posted: 8/24/2020 8:29:06 AM EDT
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@coregon
Any information you can provide on the new SLX and SLH suppressors? Occurs to me Sig might’ve stress tested them on the 5.56 Rattler. |
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Posted: 8/24/2020 9:37:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @coregon Any information you can provide on the new SLX and SLH suppressors? Occurs to me Sig might’ve stress tested them on the 5.56 Rattler. The mil version of the 556 Rattler has threads to accept a can, but the commercial version doesn't. |
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Posted: 8/24/2020 6:56:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The mil version of the 556 Rattler has threads to accept a can, but the commercial version doesn't. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @coregon Any information you can provide on the new SLX and SLH suppressors? Occurs to me Sig might’ve stress tested them on the 5.56 Rattler. The mil version of the 556 Rattler has threads to accept a can, but the commercial version doesn't. Huh, interesting. Does Sig provide a specific suppressor for the Mil Rattler? |
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Posted: 8/24/2020 9:09:00 PM EDT
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I like guns that are on the extreme ends of the spectrum in general. I went with the Rattler in 300BLK and while I’m kinda lukewarm on the cartridge it’s definitely a choice I’d make again. .223 just sacrifices too much going that small, but it makes sense for military logistics where 5.56 may be what’s available. But more importantly, not every gun purchase has to ‘make sense’ and buying something because it’s badass is more than enough reason to pick something up.
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Posted: 8/24/2020 10:25:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Huh, interesting. Does Sig provide a specific suppressor for the Mil Rattler? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: @coregon Any information you can provide on the new SLX and SLH suppressors? Occurs to me Sig might’ve stress tested them on the 5.56 Rattler. The mil version of the 556 Rattler has threads to accept a can, but the commercial version doesn't. Huh, interesting. Does Sig provide a specific suppressor for the Mil Rattler? It comes with a 762 flash hider, so they can use one of the SRD 30cal cans they already have and they didnt have to source another can in 556. |
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Posted: 8/25/2020 8:43:48 AM EDT
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I have tried a 5.56 rattler and like it, Its like being in the middle of firework grand finally - lots of concussion and flash.
I don't think any can would hold up well to that kind of blast torching too well. Definitely cheaper and easier to get ammo in quantity for plinking and putting on a show. Does anyone have a pic of the flash/flame cloud coming out of it? I'd swear my arms got some slight burn from it :) |
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Posted: 8/25/2020 10:20:18 AM EDT
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I wonder if anyone has ever thought of using a pistol powder of the correct size to accommodate the short barrel of the Rattler 556 like Sig has done with the 300BO? It might make less concussion and the use of a suppressor possible.
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Posted: 8/25/2020 7:47:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if anyone has ever thought of using a pistol powder of the correct size to accommodate the short barrel of the Rattler 556 like Sig has done with the 300BO? It might make less concussion and the use of a suppressor possible. Kinda defeats the purpose of running 5.56; 855A1 is pretty nasty out of that 5" barrel, even at the ~2K FPS it's chugging along at. The sound, flash and concussion can be mitigated with proper suppressor design and mindset; on something like a Rattler, a suppressor is an optional consumable, not a fixed set piece. The weapon rides without a can until being actively used, in which case, a suppressor gets slapped on if there's time to do so. Not really a civilian niche, where suppressors are stupidly regulated and highly valued. I'm liking the design of the new SLH/SLX cans, though I can't find much information on them. |
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Posted: 8/26/2020 7:32:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kinda defeats the purpose of running 5.56; 855A1 is pretty nasty out of that 5" barrel, even at the ~2K FPS it's chugging along at. The sound, flash and concussion can be mitigated with proper suppressor design and mindset; on something like a Rattler, a suppressor is an optional consumable, not a fixed set piece. The weapon rides without a can until being actively used, in which case, a suppressor gets slapped on if there's time to do so. Not really a civilian niche, where suppressors are stupidly regulated and highly valued. I'm liking the design of the new SLH/SLX cans, though I can't find much information on them. Great point. That makes a lot of sense - a can is just another consumable tool/accessory - not a precious item. If it gets burned out prematurely who cares. In truth its a safety accessory/consumable - What if the government told you your brake rotors on your car were registered and taxed and took a year to get approval to replace? One would probably drive more cautiously and slower, etc. We tend to manage things a bit differently because it is a precious resource to us civilians. |
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Posted: 8/26/2020 10:31:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great point. That makes a lot of sense - a can is just another consumable tool/accessory - not a precious item. If it gets burned out prematurely who cares. In truth its a safety accessory/consumable - What if the government told you your brake rotors on your car were registered and taxed and took a year to get approval to replace? One would probably drive more cautiously and slower, etc. We tend to manage things a bit differently because it is a precious resource to us civilians. An even better example would be if the Government told everyone that the Muffler on their vehicles had to be registered & needed a tax stamp to own. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 7:50:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The mil version of the 556 Rattler has threads to accept a can, but the commercial version doesn't. I didn't quite understand your comment until I read a couple of reviews that stated the flash suppressor is pinned....arghhh. So, there is no "easy" way to put a can on the 5.56 Rattler? |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 9:17:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't quite understand your comment until I read a couple of reviews that stated the flash suppressor is pinned....arghhh. So, there is no "easy" way to put a can on the 5.56 Rattler? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The mil version of the 556 Rattler has threads to accept a can, but the commercial version doesn't. I didn't quite understand your comment until I read a couple of reviews that stated the flash suppressor is pinned....arghhh. So, there is no "easy" way to put a can on the 5.56 Rattler? It's more than pinned - the flash hider is built into the gas block. So, putting a can on a 556 Rattler (Commercial version) is, virtually, impossible. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 9:21:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's more than pinned - the flash hider is built into the gas block. So, putting a can on a 556 Rattler (Commercial version) is, virtually, impossible. That's dumb. |
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Posted: 8/31/2020 9:44:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's more than pinned - the flash hider is built into the gas block. So, putting a can on a 556 Rattler (Commercial version) is, virtually, impossible. Arghh.... Oh well.... |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 12:44:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's dumb. Thats one of the many reasons the answer has always been 6.75" virtus in 300 blk. Along with not being able to use any other barrel in a rattler. Not being compatible with most virtus parts. Ect. Also with 223 out of a sub 10" barrel. Meh. It's an issue, and one of the reasons 300 blk was so successful. I mean it can be expensive but it can also be amazing. Shooting 110s at 2k and super quiet 200+ grain at 1k fps. It's really not for everybody. I would definitely discourage anyone that doesn't reload from really taking it serious. It's not about how expensive the ammo is. Its about how quiet and consistent you can make 300blk. I had no idea before I started reloading but shooting Factory subsonic vs certain handloads sounds like night and day. Its because they make most if not all factory subs with gassy powders like 1680 or cfe blk. Even vvn120 is loud compared to n110/h110. Tuned right you can get it to burn itself out before reaching the end of the barrel. I'll tell you. Night and day. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 2:46:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's more than pinned - the flash hider is built into the gas block. So, putting a can on a 556 Rattler (Commercial version) is, virtually, impossible. So....when will the military 556 rattler barrels be available for civilian sales? |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 7:58:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So....when will the military 556 rattler barrels be available for civilian sales? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's more than pinned - the flash hider is built into the gas block. So, putting a can on a 556 Rattler (Commercial version) is, virtually, impossible. So....when will the military 556 rattler barrels be available for civilian sales? They won’t be - not because we hate the commercial market, but because 5.5” 556 erosion and destruction of a can is measured in 100’s of rounds, not 1000’s. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 8:10:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They won’t be - not because we hate the commercial market, but because 5.5” 556 erosion and destruction of a can is measured in 100’s of rounds, not 1000’s. I hear ya.... but.... I'd rather have a choice and have the option to accept those risks. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 9:26:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hear ya.... but.... I'd rather have a choice and have the option to accept those risks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They won’t be - not because we hate the commercial market, but because 5.5” 556 erosion and destruction of a can is measured in 100’s of rounds, not 1000’s. I hear ya.... but.... I'd rather have a choice and have the option to accept those risks. Yeah, I understand. Unfortunately, it's not as easy as that. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 5:51:18 PM EDT
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What if the 5.56 Rattler uppers/kits provided to certain groups in the military are primarily for training aids for the ones that actually get used, like 300Blk, and not used as a serious solution on deployment. Interesting thought.
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Posted: 9/2/2020 7:34:48 PM EDT
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@TinyCrumb
Quote HistoryQuoted: What if the 5.56 Rattler uppers/kits provided to certain groups in the military are primarily for training aids for the ones that actually get used, like 300Blk, and not used as a serious solution on deployment. Interesting thought. That's exactly what they are used for. 
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