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Posted: 2/4/2018 6:27:24 PM EDT
I am not affiliated by neither one of these two companies. I was just surfing the web and found this:
FCU B&T It’s finally nice that this pistol is starting to get some aftermarket support. My only dilemma is which one should I get. Should I just go the Arfcom way and get both? Glock USW!!!!! 9/18 New player in town. Flux Defence  Failed To Load Title THEY HAVE A HOLSTER TOO!!!! |
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Posted: 2/4/2018 6:40:13 PM EDT
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I like the look of the FCU, but $500 is a steep price. The BT is not as nice looking as their USW either.
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Posted: 2/4/2018 6:43:10 PM EDT
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I'll be more impressed when companies start making an actual bolt instead of using the pistol slide.
What the B&T misses is a way to move the optic off the slide. Needs to have the optic mount on the rear like the universal service weapon. 
Also needs a cutout for the manual safety version. No way I'd carry a stocked weapon without a thumb safety. Plus then I could easily see those stocks making it onto mil issued M17s |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 10:58:40 AM EDT
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So has anyone decided to SBR a P320 yet?
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Posted: 5/12/2018 7:12:04 PM EDT
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So has anyone decided to SBR a P320 yet? |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 7:14:22 PM EDT
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Also needs a cutout for the manual safety version. No way I'd carry a stocked weapon without a thumb safety. Plus then I could easily see those stocks making it onto mil issued M17s |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 8:00:18 PM EDT
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I'll be more impressed when companies start making an actual bolt instead of using the pistol slide. What the B&T misses is a way to move the optic off the slide. Needs to have the optic mount on the rear like the universal service weapon. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/RJW_2315-660x474.jpg Also needs a cutout for the manual safety version. No way I'd carry a stocked weapon without a thumb safety. Plus then I could easily see those stocks making it onto mil issued M17s |
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Posted: 5/17/2018 1:07:02 AM EDT
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I picked up a tacops carry with the threaded barrel and the 4 mags to get milled for an rmr and another compact with the manual safety to piece together a manual safety tacops for the B&T stock I already preordered from tarheel. As soon as the MS model comes in next week the f1 will go out. Total was about 1,200 for both after ffl fees, but at least this way I get two modular guns and those 21rd mags are stupid expensive. 4 21rd mags, threaded barrel and suppressor sights would have run about $450, so just getting the whole tacops for ~650 was an easy call.
got the rmr, x300 and an omega 9k just waiting in the wings. this thread made me get the manual safety model for the FCU, I didn't even think about that. i'll probably end up with a USW as well. Stupid nfa stuff. |
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Posted: 5/17/2018 6:46:02 AM EDT
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I picked up a tacops carry with the threaded barrel and the 4 mags to get milled for an rmr and another compact with the manual safety to piece together a manual safety tacops for the B&T stock I already preordered from tarheel. As soon as the MS model comes in next week the f1 will go out. Total was about 1,200 for both after ffl fees, but at least this way I get two modular guns and those 21rd mags are stupid expensive. 4 21rd mags, threaded barrel and suppressor sights would have run about $450, so just getting the whole tacops for ~650 was an easy call. got the rmr, x300 and an omega 9k just waiting in the wings. this thread made me get the manual safety model for the FCU, I didn't even think about that. i'll probably end up with a USW as well. Stupid nfa stuff. Who are you using to mill for the RMR? |
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Posted: 5/17/2018 8:12:51 AM EDT
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My plan is to list the SBR length as that of the full-sized pistol. That way if I get rid of the stocked grip module, I could just throw a forward grip on the pistol and still be legally good to go. I always understood that it was okay to go up in size on an SBR, but not down in size, at least permanently.
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Posted: 5/17/2018 8:38:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My Form 1 is going out today. The overall length with stock extended is 18.3" according to B&T (you'll need that for the Form 1). That's with the compact slide. Who are you using to mill for the RMR? |
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Posted: 5/17/2018 9:33:53 AM EDT
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I always understood that it was okay to go up in size on an SBR, but not down in size, at least permanently. No difference at all in going from 11.5" to 7.5", vs going from 11.5" to 15.9". |
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Posted: 5/17/2018 1:17:02 PM EDT
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Jagerwerks, I've heard nothing but good things, and it is only 125 for the service. |
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Posted: 5/17/2018 1:20:11 PM EDT
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My plan is to list the SBR length as that of the full-sized pistol. That way if I get rid of the stocked grip module, I could just throw a forward grip on the pistol and still be legally good to go. I always understood that it was okay to go up in size on an SBR, but not down in size, at least permanently. |
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Posted: 5/18/2018 12:38:29 AM EDT
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Where do you do the engraving?
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Posted: 5/18/2018 12:53:03 AM EDT
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yes, both:
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Posted: 5/18/2018 1:12:40 AM EDT
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On the frame (I.e. the new stock part). Preorder I'm on has free sbr engraving with stock purchase.
ETA: just dropped my form 1 in the mail |
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Posted: 5/19/2018 8:24:24 PM EDT
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Also, with the FCU one, you have to pay an extra $50 for the “I’m going to run suppressed model”. Also, if you have a compact slide, you need swap the compact threaded barrel for a full size threaded barrel...uh...how about no.
$450 with no stock $50 for “suppressor friendly” model $$$$ for MCX stock $200 for stamp $75 for engraving I think the B&T is the way to go... But...who says the NFA game is cheap...it isn’t. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 4:19:33 PM EDT
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I like the B&T model much better. It actually makes me want to go out and buy a P320 to sbr.
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Posted: 5/23/2018 5:42:55 PM EDT
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I wish it was also possible to do it with the 45...im looking to suppress the 45 with a cut down full-size barrel to compact threaded size...I wonder if that possible.
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Posted: 6/4/2018 11:12:10 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/4/2018 11:45:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/4/2018 12:20:18 PM EDT
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advertising deleted Are there any plans to look at the viability of developing a separate upper with its own bolt and operating system that isn't just a shroud for the slide? Having been a part of the P320 preproduction development testing I see a ton of design potential for the platform. But because it is more adaptable, it needs to follow a trigger pack design and not the "Glock stuffed in a bix and made bigger" design. |
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Posted: 6/4/2018 12:57:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/5/2018 1:18:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/5/2018 6:26:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Friendly advice, if it's straight blowback I'm not interested, and I suspect I'm similar to a target customer. Once you compare a roller locked or properly delayed blowback gun, it's night and day. There is absolutely room in the market for a modular gun that accepts a fire control group.... Like a modular B&T TP9. Something like that would market-kill. A straight blowback "just make my pistol bigger and recoil sharper" is going be really niche and not have the appeal of other options that do recoil and suppress better. At the end of the day, all we'd be getting here is the ability to not get locked into a specific "frame" of a gun, if it's just a more expensive blowback gun then I don't get the point. Just my opinion on the topic. |
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Posted: 6/5/2018 7:00:20 PM EDT
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Scorpions seem to sell well as a straight blowback Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Friendly advice, if it's straight blowback I'm not interested, and I suspect I'm similar to a target customer. Once you compare a roller locked or properly delayed blowback gun, it's night and day. There is absolutely room in the market for a modular gun that accepts a fire control group.... Like a modular B&T TP9. Something like that would market-kill. A straight blowback "just make my pistol bigger and recoil sharper" is going be really niche and not have the appeal of other options that do recoil and suppress better. At the end of the day, all we'd be getting here is the ability to not get locked into a specific "frame" of a gun, if it's just a more expensive blowback gun then I don't get the point. Just my opinion on the topic. Being that a huge portion bases most of their decisions solely on cost it’s no surprise we have so many blowback guns. |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 12:08:50 PM EDT
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Scorpions seem to sell well as a straight blowback Quote HistoryQuoted:
Scorpions seem to sell well as a straight blowback And once you shoot one compared directly to a delayed gun like an MP5... well, I did, and had to sell the Evo immediately. It's just physics, that much reciprocating mass will mean a lot of recoil. Not that I can't handle it, but I did enough cadence drills to see that the EVO was hands down slower than my MP5, strictly because of the amount of recoil. Shooting suppressed, the EVO has a lot of port noise in my strong side ear, compared to the MP5 it's straight up loud. Sold the EVO bought an APC9. Exact same issues with the APC9, probably going to sell that too. UMP is effectively the same thing, probably won't get a clone of that (and would never pay the $3k it takes to get one that says HK on the side!). Kriss isn't for me. My Gen1 MPX didn't suppress well, and I don't believe many Gen2s do either, I'm not really interested in finding the one true load to use in a gun. IDK, maybe I'm just annoyed there is no goldilocks gun. I'm just saying that I can promise with rise of suppressors, people are starting to figure out that a lot of guns don't suppress well. With the rise of MP5 clones, people are seeing just how smooth a 9mm carbine can be. If I were designing a gun today, I'd keep both of these aspects top and center during the process. If I was making a gun based on the P320 FCG, I'd make a modular TP9 with some form of delayed blowback. But... What do I know!? Being that a huge portion bases most of their decisions solely on cost it’s no surprise we have so many blowback guns. |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 2:25:36 PM EDT
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You said blowback would be niche. We obviously disagree.
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Posted: 6/9/2018 8:17:21 PM EDT
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 Slide is back from jagerwerks, great work on their part and faster than I expected, Black nitride slide.
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Posted: 8/3/2018 9:32:11 AM EDT
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The usw is glorious, and engraving from tarheel looked great. Now just waiting on stamp.
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Posted: 8/4/2018 7:23:15 AM EDT
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The usw is glorious, and engraving from tarheel looked great. Now just waiting on stamp. |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 7:52:56 AM EDT
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@Battlecloth
Did you get it assembled and to the range? Please share your thoughts on it. |
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Posted: 9/13/2018 1:20:49 PM EDT
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@Battlecloth Did you get it assembled and to the range? Please share your thoughts on it. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 11:03:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/10/2018 7:56:42 AM EDT
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It looks like our northern cousins are a little ahead of us with the B&T P320 PDW. Not much here but the review is positive.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1686609-B-amp-T-AG-USW-320-Upgrade-Chassis!/page2?s=bdc7cb77d499312dc20e0f69ef3d99f2 |
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Posted: 10/10/2018 8:03:37 AM EDT
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Where do you do the engraving? |
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Posted: 10/10/2018 9:08:32 AM EDT
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Only the serial has to be on metal and it already is. |
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Posted: 10/10/2018 11:11:29 AM EDT
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I don't believe there's an actual requirement for the SN to be on metal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Only the serial has to be on metal and it already is. https://www.atf.gov/file/57906/download They wouldn't be imbedding steel plates in their guns if it wasn't required. I guess as a maker you could get away with it if you were making a firearm from scratch. |
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Posted: 10/10/2018 4:46:50 PM EDT
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"As such, ATF has required manufacturers and importers who use polymer plastic frames to mark serial numbers in a steel plate embedded within the plastic" https://www.atf.gov/file/57906/download They wouldn't be imbedding steel plates in their guns if it wasn't required. I guess as a maker you could get away with it if you were making a firearm from scratch. |
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Posted: 10/10/2018 4:56:43 PM EDT
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Interesting. That sentence is down in the comments, bit in the ruling. I know the "not readily altered or removed" wording existing, but I still don't see the steel plate portion in an actual regulation anywhere. Have you seen it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"As such, ATF has required manufacturers and importers who use polymer plastic frames to mark serial numbers in a steel plate embedded within the plastic" https://www.atf.gov/file/57906/download They wouldn't be imbedding steel plates in their guns if it wasn't required. I guess as a maker you could get away with it if you were making a firearm from scratch. |
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Posted: 10/10/2018 5:44:02 PM EDT
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It's not in any of the regs that I can find. But from that comment they've been telling manufacturers and importers to do it for a long time. VP70 is probably the oldest firearm that could apply to, do you know if it has a steel plate embedded in the frame? |
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Posted: 10/12/2018 10:19:33 AM EDT
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Mac's out with a video on the B&T USW, the P320 stocked grip and the new one for the Glock.
If you're using the manual safety version of the P320 like I am it looks like we're going to have to modify the stock for the safety as well as the grip frame itself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e91R-q6WSVo |
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Posted: 10/12/2018 10:23:56 AM EDT
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The VP70Z I have has the SN on the barrel (over the chamber) and on the slide only. Similarly, my KG9 and early KG99 both have the SN engraved into the plastic only. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not in any of the regs that I can find. But from that comment they've been telling manufacturers and importers to do it for a long time. VP70 is probably the oldest firearm that could apply to, do you know if it has a steel plate embedded in the frame? |
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Posted: 10/12/2018 5:34:18 PM EDT
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It's not in any of the regs that I can find. But from that comment they've been telling manufacturers and importers to do it for a long time. VP70 is probably the oldest firearm that could apply to, do you know if it has a steel plate embedded in the frame? |
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Posted: 10/12/2018 8:38:34 PM EDT
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Need to find out when that holster he had in the video is available, or if he was just using the USW holster.
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Posted: 10/12/2018 9:08:22 PM EDT
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Need to find out when that holster he had in the video is available, or if he was just using the USW holster. |
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Posted: 10/13/2018 3:34:24 AM EDT
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Light was the B&T branded inforce apl, I've also seen them use the TLR-7 on their booth guns. Some lights interfere with the stock, so they have to have a kind of thin profile. I'm waiting on holster to pick a light.
Stolen from internet: https://inforce-mil.com/products/pistol-lights/ 
Trl-7 https://www.streamlight.com/products/detail/index/tlr-7 
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Posted: 10/13/2018 6:06:59 AM EDT
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If you're using the manual safety version of the P320 like I am it looks like we're going to have to modify the stock for the safety as well as the grip frame itself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e91R-q6WSVo |
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Posted: 10/13/2018 7:25:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In his video he mentioned a specific chassis model for the M17 with manual safety? |
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Posted: 10/13/2018 7:37:14 AM EDT
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Light was the B&T branded inforce apl, I've also seen them use the TLR-7 on their booth guns. Some lights interfere with the stock, so they have to have a kind of thin profile. I'm waiting on holster to pick a light. Stolen from internet: https://inforce-mil.com/products/pistol-lights/ https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/158773/0D3E3D8F-5A3A-4CFA-82A0-6A54B96659A7-703333.jpg Trl-7 https://www.streamlight.com/products/detail/index/tlr-7 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/158773/4BBE21CC-EB6A-48A5-B9B7-82F30705E832-703334.jpg |
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