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Posted: 3/8/2019 11:44:33 PM EDT
Mac 10 in 45 acp. Early production low round count gun. 6000 a good deal bad deal or ok deal?
I bought it, dealer is going to test fire and clean it up as well as refinish it in black cerakote.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 11:55:46 PM EDT
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With mags and stuff -good desl
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Posted: 3/9/2019 12:01:25 AM EDT
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Yes you should. Great deal, most of the ones that have seen lately have been around 8k.
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Posted: 3/9/2019 12:07:21 AM EDT
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With mags and stuff -good desl |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 12:37:07 AM EDT
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yes you should for $6k
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Posted: 3/9/2019 10:40:20 AM EDT
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Yes Definitely
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Posted: 3/9/2019 12:30:12 PM EDT
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I know nothing about macs. I have some questions.
I don't care for 45 acp. How easily can a mac 10/45 be converted to 9mm or 22 lr even? |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 12:39:00 PM EDT
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It's easy to shoot 9mm in a 45 Mac. Sam at Practical Solutions sells a conversion kit which includes a complete upper and magwell insert for the 9mm mags. A .22 kit is going to be hard to come by but they do show up once in a while. For 6K I would do it because if you don't like it you will never lose money on it.
Also Lage Manufacturing sells uppers that you can shoot 9mm. |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 6:52:03 PM EDT
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I FOED or did I Fent? Whichever it is. I tried to talk him down to 5800 and he said 6 is already a great deal.
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Posted: 3/10/2019 7:34:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/10/2019 9:47:58 PM EDT
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9mm is easy, as previously mentioned.
.22 is a bit more tricky. Avoid the Subcal/Fleming conversions like the plague. There are also a few conversions for the M10. Lage has a few that are solid. There is also a different company marketing a (very pricey) conversion that allows a standard AR15 upper to be mated with an M10 lower. I'm on the wait list, but will probably pass. The .45 M10 will work with modified greasegun mags, or a dual notched catch can be ordered (so modded and unmodded mags work). There are plenty of accessories, to include a firing shoulder holster (the Desantis "Mak-Skatter"). |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 9:49:38 PM EDT
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I FOED or did I Fent? Whichever it is. I tried to talk him down to 5800 and he said 6 is already a great deal. 
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Posted: 3/10/2019 11:35:48 PM EDT
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I FOED or did I Fent? Whichever it is. I tried to talk him down to 5800 and he said 6 is already a great deal. https://i.imgur.com/SKtLywx.jpg |
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Posted: 3/11/2019 9:03:35 AM EDT
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Its gonna be awhile. Form 4 to him from Illinois then form 3 to my dealer in Kentucky from him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I FOED or did I Fent? Whichever it is. I tried to talk him down to 5800 and he said 6 is already a great deal. https://i.imgur.com/SKtLywx.jpg He should be able to Form 4 it to your dealer, then your dealer form 4 it to you. Dealers can receive transfers from across state lines from individuals, it does not have to come from an IL dealer unless it is a specific IL law. |
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Posted: 3/11/2019 11:07:10 AM EDT
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I don't own one, get to shoot a lot of an SOT's weapons, for helping clean, maintain, etc., lot of exotic one ofs.
I was surprised and impressed with the accuracy, considering that the rear sight looked like a cut in half washer welded on. Easily popped off bowling pins at well over 50 yards. Love it. |
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Posted: 3/11/2019 11:48:15 AM EDT
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Hmm... He should be able to Form 4 it to your dealer, then your dealer form 4 it to you. Dealers can receive transfers from across state lines from individuals, it does not have to come from an IL dealer unless it is a specific IL law. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I FOED or did I Fent? Whichever it is. I tried to talk him down to 5800 and he said 6 is already a great deal. https://i.imgur.com/SKtLywx.jpg He should be able to Form 4 it to your dealer, then your dealer form 4 it to you. Dealers can receive transfers from across state lines from individuals, it does not have to come from an IL dealer unless it is a specific IL law. |
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Posted: 3/11/2019 1:03:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is coming from Illinois to the dealer I am buying from in Indiana, it then has to go to my dealer here in Kentucky, then to me. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 2:59:08 PM EDT
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Which explains why you're getting a good price on it, form 4 incoming to dealer sale before he receives it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It is coming from Illinois to the dealer I am buying from in Indiana, it then has to go to my dealer here in Kentucky, then to me. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 12:14:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/14/2019 5:47:06 AM EDT
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Quote History I know very little about macs. Is this upper a drop in? Or do i need to have it fitted to the lower?
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Posted: 3/14/2019 7:20:04 AM EDT
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I don't know what you have in your collection, but to me you have bought at a great time at a good price. My understanding is that Form 4 transfers are taking a year. So it could be two years before the M10 is in your posession. For pistol caliber, there is various Lage options. Lage makes some great products. There is also the CF(W) Tungsten bolts. A .45 tungsten bolt should come to market. Sam at Practical Solutions also has the Gray Ghost series of uppers. The GG with the tungsten bolt wouuld give Grease Gun performance in a very small package. There's also the Max-10/15. That will give you a AR based open bolt option. There is also the Tenko 10-16 adapter. The Tenko is not an "upper",it is an adapter. The Tenko converts the open bolt M10 to the closed bolt M16 function. So the Tenko uses standard AR uppers with full auto carrier. The Tenko uses an off the shelf PDW buffering system inside the adapter. So no permanent modification to the RR is required.
If you are not that familiar with the Mac style RRs, I would suggest the Mactalk forum at Uzitalk. I t seems to me that the Mac style family of RR machineguns is poised to have innovation. The Mac style family of RRs represents at least 10% of all the transferable machineguns and the layout of the receiver allows the development of adaption to about any firearm mechanism to the receiver. By the time the receiver is your's, there is no telling what could be developed for the family. Congratulations. Scott |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 8:26:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know very little about macs. Is this upper a drop in? Or do i need to have it fitted to the lower? |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:46:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, Lage uppers are drop in ready to shoot. The 31 series of uppers uses Suomi drums and coffin mags. Me, I'm getting the Uzi conversion on mine done while in NFA jail. I found one for $6500 in-state! |
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Posted: 3/25/2019 8:53:53 PM EDT
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MAC 10 is a lot more accurate and controllable than people think. I love mine, except for the recent suppressor oops.
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Posted: 3/26/2019 5:44:45 AM EDT
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The Mac Section over at Uzi talk is loaded with information. Great resources. Congratulations on your new toy. The waiting does suck though!!
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Posted: 7/11/2019 9:21:21 PM EDT
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Illinois transfer to Indiana complete, now to transfer to my KY dealer, then to me.
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Posted: 7/12/2019 8:31:35 AM EDT
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Illinois transfer to Indiana complete, now to transfer to my KY dealer, then to me. 
Just got my 9mm suppressor I bought in early 2018. Given the ridiculous wait and the price I have lost interest in obtaining any more MGs. |
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Posted: 7/13/2019 8:26:48 AM EDT
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Stock up on drums now, coffin mags have dried up already. You can get new production single stack mags though. Me, I'm getting the Uzi conversion on mine done while in NFA jail. I found one for $6500 in-state! Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yes, Lage uppers are drop in ready to shoot. The 31 series of uppers uses Suomi drums and coffin mags. Me, I'm getting the Uzi conversion on mine done while in NFA jail. I found one for $6500 in-state! 
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Posted: 9/17/2019 1:28:17 PM EDT
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I love my Uzi converted m10/9, But I love a lot of MGs Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/17/2019 2:03:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is an uzi conversion? Sam is the best MAC gunsmith out there. Basically, you can convert your Mac to use UZI mags. Requires machining on your bolts too. Uzi mags are $9-20 and they just work; Mac magazines are known to be more expensive and finikey. Also, you can use 9mm and 45 without any insert; just different Uzi mags.  Uzi Conversion on M10/9 - Practical Solutions |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 2:23:08 PM EDT
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https://macmachineguns.com/?page_id=1252 Scott is the best MAC gunsmith out there. Basically, you can convert your Mac to use UZI mags. Requires machining on your bolts too. Uzi mags are $9-20 and they just work; Mac magazines are known to be more expensive and finikey. Also, you can use 9mm and 45 without any insert; just different Uzi mags.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVP0fN7vtCYQuote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: What is an uzi conversion? Scott is the best MAC gunsmith out there. Basically, you can convert your Mac to use UZI mags. Requires machining on your bolts too. Uzi mags are $9-20 and they just work; Mac magazines are known to be more expensive and finikey. Also, you can use 9mm and 45 without any insert; just different Uzi mags. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVP0fN7vtCY |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 12:10:05 AM EDT
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if its already refinished, I wouldn't bother chopping it for the Uzi grip. Save the money and put it towards a Max31 upper and drums.
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Posted: 9/18/2019 12:42:33 AM EDT
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Yeah, the Suomi drums are starting to dry up... Only ones in stock are Clearview... I need to get a few more, but I also want some Z31s too.
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Posted: 9/18/2019 1:28:19 AM EDT
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if its already refinished, I wouldn't bother chopping it for the Uzi grip. Save the money and put it towards a Max31 upper and drums. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 10:52:13 AM EDT
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For the same cost as a max 31 upper with a few magazines I can convert to an uzi grip and have a bunch of magazines and be able to use the 22 upper Sam is working on. Plus I really like how uzi grips feel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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if its already refinished, I wouldn't bother chopping it for the Uzi grip. Save the money and put it towards a Max31 upper and drums. I use my gen one (heavy) Lage upper and love it with Uzi mags. The only problem is I bought a ton of cheap Uzi mags during the First Obama term. Then I found a cheap Uzi for sale. Now I have two Uzis and a converted Mac. I do like my Uzi 22kit, but had little success with Sam's mac 22 kit |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 11:00:57 AM EDT
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Get on the Lage MAX10/15 wait list.
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Posted: 9/18/2019 11:09:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://macmachineguns.com/?page_id=1252 Sam is the best MAC gunsmith out there. Basically, you can convert your Mac to use UZI mags. Requires machining on your bolts too. Uzi mags are $9-20 and they just work; Mac magazines are known to be more expensive and finikey. Also, you can use 9mm and 45 without any insert; just different Uzi mags. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVP0fN7vtCYI can understand the allure of an Uzi magwell conversion on a 9mm gun, but it seems like a step in the wrong direction for a .45 |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 3:35:54 PM EDT
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Get on the Lage MAX10/15 wait list. |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 3:04:01 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2019 11:22:08 AM EDT
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buying the rimfire kit for my m11/9 I regret. loading the mags consistently is near impossible. i enjoy my M&P15-22 with binary far more.
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Posted: 9/19/2019 12:51:56 PM EDT
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buying the rimfire kit for my m11/9 I regret. loading the mags consistently is near impossible. i enjoy my M&P15-22 with binary far more. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 8:54:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryAlthough I relied on those price graphs when I bought my MG I have been told those are stacked with hand selected sales and do not actually reflect the current MG price. But OP I'd say 6K is a good deal on it. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 9:00:39 AM EDT
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Although I relied on those price graphs when I bought my MG I have been told those are stacked with hand selected sales and do not actually reflect the current MG price. But OP I'd say 6K is a good deal on it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
But OP I'd say 6K is a good deal on it. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 9:01:09 AM EDT
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Although I relied on those price graphs when I bought my MG I have been told those are stacked with hand selected sales and do not actually reflect the current MG price. But OP I'd say 6K is a good deal on it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/20/2019 9:19:34 AM EDT
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Yeah you did good just wanted to point out the inconsistencies with Machine Gun Price Guide.
It was pointed out to me on UZItalk by some members. And look hard at the Lage 10/15 upper. Pretty slick. And just my opinion I personally don't like the UZI grip conversion. But thats just me. If I had a M10 I'd most likely just get the M10/31 upper and then the M10/45 upper and when the M10/15 upper comes available that as well. The 9mm UZI mags are cheap but 45acp UZI mag I think are only available from Promag now and are less capacity than Mac10/45 / Grease Gun mags. Also check out the AK upper coming out for the Mac 10. To me its more bad ass than the Lage 10/15. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Mac-10-upper-in-7-62x39-that-takes-AK-mags/5-2172551/ |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 9:59:13 AM EDT
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Yeah you did good just wanted to point out the inconsistencies with Machine Gun Price Guide. It was pointed out to me on UZItalk by some members. And look hard at the Lage 10/15 upper. Pretty slick. And just my opinion I personally don't like the UZI grip conversion. But thats just me. If I had a M10 I'd most likely just get the M10/31 upper and then the M10/45 upper and when the M10/15 upper comes available that as well. The 9mm UZI mags are cheap but 45acp UZI mag I think are only available from Promag now and are less capacity than Mac10/45 / Grease Gun mags. Also check out the AK upper coming out for the Mac 10. To me its more bad ass than the Lage 10/15. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Mac-10-upper-in-7-62x39-that-takes-AK-mags/5-2172551/ I want to keep it really short so the LAGE stuff doesn't do much for me. I honestly don't ever plan on shooting it in 45, so it's no biggy for me to only have a couple of magazines if a buddy wants to. The main reason I bought the m10 45 was for the AK upper coming out as well as the price. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:46:53 AM EDT
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Cool well if you don’t care for 45 for sure go with the Uzi grip and stock up on cheap mags.
That’s the only detractor about mine is the z mags. They are $35 each which isn’t bad I guess just wish they were $5 each. 
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Posted: 9/20/2019 11:48:01 AM EDT
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Cool well if you don’t care for 45 for sure go with the Uzi grip and stock up on cheap mags. That’s the only detractor about mine is the z mags. They are $35 each which isn’t bad I guess just wish they were $5 each. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 2:23:56 PM EDT
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Well wish someone would come out with a 22LR conversion for the M11.
I have been on the wait list with Lage for his 22 conversion for over a year and no sign of them shipping. Said it would be early summer of 2019 and here it is dang near fall. Tactical Innovations said something about a Mac11 AM180 type upper a while back. I would really like seeing something like that. Or something that takes M&P22-15 mags. |
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Posted: 9/21/2019 10:32:19 PM EDT
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Tactical Innovations said something about a Mac11 AM180 type upper a while back. I would really like seeing something like that. Or something that takes M&P22-15 mags. Scott |
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