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MI, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2018 8:19:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: N_Parker]
So I took the plunge into the unknown and purchased a Stribog as soon as they became available. Pending a range report, I am really liking this pistol but I do have a couple of concerns. I am hoping these take-off in popularity making it an attractive platform for aftermarket manufacturers. More specifically the availability of 922r parts should the Stribog prove itself worthy as an SBR candidate.
I contacted Eagle Imports and queried the future availability of stocks and 922r parts and they replied as follows: “No, we will not be selling stocks or any 922R compliant parts. We will only be selling the basic parts, such as the magazines and adapter”.  Disassembly: Push pins are a little tight, more about that below. Rear cap has a very nice snug fit to the receiver and needs just a light tap with a rubber mallet for removal. Buffer pads at the rear tend to bind a little in the housing so the bolt assembly will not slide out unless you pull on the buffer while pulling back on the charging handle at the same time. I assume a little lube on the perimeter of the buffer pads or at the rear of the housing will fix that.  Upon initial inspection I noticed the front side of the rear sight appeared a little rough then realized after looking at the front sight the ramp or stop had sheared off. I imagine it looked similar to the stop on the front site pictured for reference. I contacted Eagle Imports about this and unfortunately they do not have any parts available yet so they will be sending a new sight when available. Plastic sights that can break are an obvious concern but I plan on taking advantage of the top rail and will be mounting a red dot.   Front Sight   My second concern is lower push pin set-up. At first glance it appeared the rear push pin broke through the housing but what looked like a break is just basically a stepped portion of the lower housing where it meets the upper receiver. This could have been designed better. In the second picture here you can see how the pin breaks that diameter in the housing on both sides. Housing material just above the pin measures 0.082” thick which seems a little thin. Hopefully this holds up and doesn’t wallow out after time. The bright spot here is if the lower does need to be replaced it can as the upper is the serialized/registered portion.    The lower pins have two sets of grooves that engage a wire retainer that simply slips into the housing. These wire retainers apply quite a bit of tension to the pin. I was not able to push the pins out by hand or at least I couldn’t get them to budge by hand. Use of a punch and small dead blow mallet did the trick. It didn’t take much effort to break them loose; it was just a matter of quick tap to get the pin retention groove past the wire retainer. You can also see in these pics that the lower housing is symmetrical in design meaning you can move the retainers to the left side of the lower (installed in right side from factory) if you wish to push the pins out from right to left.   Rear Front  Upper receiver assembly: Very clean machining, fit and finish. Bolt travels the length of the receiver very smoothly. The upper looks similar to the B&T GMH9 and APC9 but the noticeable difference are the screws used to assemble the B&T uppers. Grand Power uses a barrel nut to assemble the upper creating a much cleaner look.   Bolt   Buffer: Two buffer pads attach via the pins shown here.   Bolt Hold Open/Release Somewhat of a different design, an ambi bolt hold open/release straddles the outside of the lower receiver and is held in place by the front pin.   Tension spring for BHO  Last round bolt hold open   Trigger Group As you can see here, the trigger group appears to be a self contained unit that slips into the lower housing. I wanted to remove the trigger group for pics but I couldn't immediately see how to remove the safety selector. I need to take a closer look at that.   Mag Release  I just purchased the brace adapter and a Gear Head Works Tailhook Mod 2 brace hoping it is compatible with their brace adapter. We'll find out soon. Looking forward to taking this to the range and will report out then. |
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Posted: 6/23/2018 8:44:15 AM EDT
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Thanks for sharing that. I will have to wait until I'm off duty to see the pix, though.
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Posted: 6/23/2018 9:36:30 AM EDT
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What was the cost?
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MI, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2018 9:52:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: N_Parker]
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish:
What was the cost? https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/stribog?view=list |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2018 4:31:31 PM EDT
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When I spoke with Grand America a few days ago, they told me they do have plans to import the stocks, just no date yet.
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Posted: 6/23/2018 7:37:12 PM EDT
[#5]
In for range report - nice pics and write-up! I'm patiently awaiting the A3 (delayed blowback and non-reciprocating CH) version. I love my K100s (especially the X-Calibur) and this would fit nicely along-side them!
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VA, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2018 7:12:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By icura:
In for range report - nice pics and write-up! I'm patiently awaiting the A3 (delayed blowback and non-reciprocating CH) version. I love my K100s (especially the X-Calibur) and this would fit nicely along-side them! I remember several years ago the large guy posting his R&D pics and they appeared to be using Colt SMG or modified Uzi mags. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2018 7:40:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kalashnikev101: Are the mags proprietary? I remember several years ago the large guy posting his R&D pics and they appeared to be using Colt SMG or modified Uzi mags. I am not too worried about the mags being proprietary as long as they are cheap and plentiful. I just purchased some extra mags for $19 each. https://www.gunsmidwest.com/magazine-gp-stribog-9mm-20rd.html |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2018 4:10:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: N_Parker]
[#8]
Here's a quick dimensional comparison and some images of the magazines that have been questioned.
Stribog Colt SMG Metalform (Colt Pattern) UZI (origin unknown) D was measured at the mag catch area. 
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Posted: 6/25/2018 2:22:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By N_Parker:
Here's a quick dimensional comparison and some images of the magazines that have been questioned. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 6/25/2018 7:27:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By N_Parker:
[size=4]Here's a quick dimensional comparison and some images of the magazines that have been questioned. It looks like one additional measurement is the definite dealbreaker- follower/BHO height is much higher on the Stribog. It's completely unbelievable how stupid they could be to design a proprietary magazine. ALSO- looks like the Euros are getting Stribog with an allow lower, M4 compatible grips, and longer HG... |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 6/27/2018 5:10:50 AM EDT
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Thanks for the write up and pics, won't be buying that one.
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Posted: 6/27/2018 7:59:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Seven-Shooter]
[#12]
It seems extremely well designed. It's nice that there is so much metal where the CZ is plastic, and that the mags are similar prices.
I won't be buying one unless they come out with a carbine, as I'm not gambling my cash on the "shoulder a brace" game. That, and since I already have a customized Scorpion Carbine, the original guesstimated price of $599 in another thread was much more enticing than $730. But a well built item regardless. Except for maybe that rear pin area. But the fact that Uzi mags seem close, even without the LRBHO, is tempting. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 6/28/2018 8:19:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seven-Shooter:
But the fact that Uzi mags seem close, even without the LRBHO, is tempting. As it is, it seems like it would be a very simple revision to the design to have the bolt catch reach lower to engage a Colt pattern follower, and tweak the catch height a little. |
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USA
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Posted: 6/28/2018 11:39:39 AM EDT
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thanks for the info! I have been patiently waiting for more on this as the Grand Power pistols always seemed a good value.
I too hope these take off, would love to see a mag adapter... |
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Posted: 6/28/2018 7:58:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Seven-Shooter]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kalashnikev101: If they want to make sales, they should adapt their lower to feed from GLOCK MAGS .... As it is, it seems like it would be a very simple revision to the design to have the bolt catch reach lower to engage a Colt pattern follower, and tweak the catch height a little. Ruger PCC, which is not/will never be an SMG, designed to placate the US civilian market? Sure. Something designed for the entire rest of the world? Why redesign? |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 6/28/2018 8:51:33 PM EDT
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I would like to point out how successful CZ has been with the Scorpion EVO which was introduced to the U.S. market not so long ago with a proprietary magazine.
I have no issues with proprietary magazines as long as they are cheap and plentiful. As noted above, I purchases some extra 20rd mags for $19 each. Even if the 30 rd mags are $25 each, at that price I am not going through the trouble of converting mags. That's just my preference. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/28/2018 9:39:58 PM EDT
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Why didn't they make the charging handle nonreciprocal? I would tear my thumb off shooting that...
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Posted: 6/28/2018 10:32:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By frankiebagadonuts:
Why didn't they make the charging handle nonreciprocal? I would tear my thumb off shooting that... Yes, this thing comes in select fire, just not to us. 
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MI, USA
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Posted: 7/2/2018 3:03:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: N_Parker]
[#19]
Good Stribog video here shooting different types of ammo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMSBgNs5hng |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/4/2018 11:28:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By N_Parker:
Here's a quick dimensional comparison and some images of the magazines that have been questioned. Stribog Colt SMG Metalform (Colt Pattern) UZI (origin unknown) D was measured at the mag catch area. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/bWkF3H.png https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/6dsenj.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/I87HsT.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/A9tIcW.jpg |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 7/4/2018 12:28:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: N_Parker]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barnbwt:
Anyone tried B&T mags? They're basically slightly fatter polymer Uzi mags with the Colt-style catch |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 7/6/2018 8:00:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpel308:
The A1 (in Europe it is the A2) was approved by the ATF before he came up with the A3 non-reciprocating delayed blowback. They have to get that operating system approved by the ATF before importation. Hopefully they can get better, but the price needs to come down too. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 10:47:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kalashnikev101: Alloy lower too, from the looks of one Italian guy's pics. Hopefully they can get better, but the price needs to come down too. I have an APC9 and love it, but a delayed blowback A3 that accepts AR triggers means I will be adding one to my collection...it'll go nicely with the X-Calibur 
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VA, USA
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Posted: 7/7/2018 11:21:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By icura: I think the price is more than reasonable for what you're getting. If the A3 delayed blowback version can manage to accept AR triggers and they change the funky safety for the US...it will be a winner at the ~$800 price point. I have an APC9 and love it, but a delayed blowback A3 that accepts AR triggers means I will be adding one to my collection...it'll go nicely with the X-Calibur Also- the proprietary mags are a larger issue than the trigger, and they should sell the junk plastic to the Euros and give us the alloy lower. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 7/8/2018 6:39:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: N_Parker]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kalashnikev101: The value is not good when compared to a Scorpion or a 9mm AR... then again, if you own B&T, you're obviously not concerned with value. Also- the proprietary mags are a larger issue than the trigger, and they should sell the junk plastic to the Euros and give us the alloy lower. Both Stribog & Scorpion use proprietary magazines. Grab-A-Gun is selling the Stribog for $694.99 which is less expensive than the average selling price for the Scorpion EVO 3. IMO it feels like you are getting more for your money with a Stribog vs. a Scorpion. Yes you could probably build a basic/budget build AR based 9mm for less than $700 but like myself, I am sure most of the people interested in the Stribog already have an AR based PCC and a Scorpion. |
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Posted: 7/8/2018 6:43:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By N_Parker: How is the Stribog not a good value when compared to an AR 9mm and especially the Scorpion? Both Stribog & Scorpion use proprietary magazines. Grab-A-Gun is selling the Stribog for $694.99 which is less expensive than the average selling price for the Scorpion EVO 3. IMO it feels like you are getting more for your money with a Stribog vs. a Scorpion. Yes you could probably build a basic AR based 9mm for less than $700 but like myself, I am sure most of the people interested in the Stribog already have an AR based PCC and a Scorpion. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 7/8/2018 8:20:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: N_Parker]
[#27]
Just got a chance to take a better look at the trigger group. The selector separates on the right hand side. Just need to depress the detents to remove the selector levers. After that, the trigger group removed easily.
I would also like to note that the Stribog trigger and hammer pins are the same diameter as AR pins. 
 Trigger components removed  AR 15 Trigger left, Stribog right  Stribog disconnect centered over AR disconnect  Stribog hammer left, AR hammer right. Stribog disconnect and sear engagement areas appear to be very close to the AR hammer. 
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MI, USA
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Posted: 7/8/2018 3:27:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: N_Parker]
[#28]
Finally took it to the range today. Here it is in it's current configuration. Shot 147 grain ammo suppressed with no hiccups at all.
Very easy to keep on target. Not as soft shooting as my APC9 or SIG MPX but much smoother/softer than the Scorpion and maybe a little softer than my AR 9mm SBR. I'll need to run it side by side with my AR 9mm SBR to be sure.  Shot it side by side with my APC9.  25 yard pistol range. Left/first target dialing in the MRO. Target on right second mag. Looks like it could go up and to the right a little more but at that point I just started having fun with it. 
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Posted: 7/8/2018 4:49:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By N_Parker:
Just got a chance to take a better look at the trigger group. The selector separates on the right hand side. Just need to depress the detents to remove the selector levers. After that, the trigger group removed easily. I would also like to note that the Stribog trigger and hammer pins are the same diameter as AR pins. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/JwpSZN.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/0UXLPr.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/JsfdFI.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/FBfUXk.jpg Trigger components removed https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/0RTNNn.jpg AR 15 Trigger left, Stribog right https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/pCD1nQ.jpg Stribog disconnect centered over AR disconnect https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/uODDfp.jpg Stribog hammer left, AR hammer right. Stribog disconnect and sear engagement areas appear to be very close to the AR hammer. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/7HJbwn.jpg |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 7/19/2018 9:27:37 AM EDT
[#30]
How’s your cheek weld on the iron sights?
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By N_Parker:
Finally took it to the range today. Here it is in it's current configuration. Shot 147 grain ammo suppressed with no hiccups at all. Very easy to keep on target. Not as soft shooting as my APC9 or SIG MPX but much smoother/softer than the Scorpion and maybe a little softer than my AR 9mm SBR. I'll need to run it side by side with my AR 9mm SBR to be sure. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/gdncGo.jpg Shot it side by side with my APC9. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/1ktxBZ.jpg 25 yard pistol range. Left/first target dialing in the MRO. Target on right second mag. Looks like it could go up and to the right a little more but at that point I just started having fun with it. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/n9KBN5.jpg |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 7/19/2018 7:21:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By muzzleloader:
How’s your cheek weld on the iron sights? |
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Posted: 8/3/2018 10:57:25 PM EDT
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Get it here in Alloy and I'll consider it. If they import one that is alloy and uses colt/uzi metalform mags... Will FO like a bum to a free all you can eat buffet.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 8/7/2018 9:53:26 PM EDT
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30 round mags finally arrived. Took it to the range again this past weekend. I am liking this more and more.
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Posted: 8/7/2018 11:32:48 PM EDT
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I made a suggestion for another type of stock to my friend the mad scientist, and...
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MI, USA
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Posted: 8/8/2018 4:49:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: N_Parker]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpel308:
I made a suggestion for another type of stock to my friend the mad scientist, and... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1232/38650372_10204275761490633_3894248092823715840_o-633710.jpg 1). An optional rear adapter that will allow the use of a B&T folding stock. This will also allow folks to use the SB Tactical folding brace or a B&T stock. I realize there may be some IP associated with that style B&T folder that could prevent this. 2). Add a 3 lug barrel to the next generation pistols. 3). Shorten up the barrel a little similar to the pic you posted above. It doesn't need to extend past the hand guard quite as far as it currently does. |
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Posted: 8/8/2018 7:48:19 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpel308:
I made a suggestion for another type of stock to my friend the mad scientist, and... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1232/38650372_10204275761490633_3894248092823715840_o-633710.jpg |
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Posted: 8/9/2018 12:25:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpel308:
The A1 (in Europe it is the A2) was approved by the ATF before he came up with the A3 non-reciprocating delayed blowback. They have to get that operating system approved by the ATF before importation. They are already in select-fire and semi versions in Europe. Thank the ATF's bureaucracy. Yes, this thing comes in select fire, just not to us. Any word on the A3? I am assuming he has submitted the paperwork for ATF processing, correct? |
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USA
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Posted: 8/9/2018 3:24:46 PM EDT
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An adapter with a 1913 rail, allowing the use of MPX braces/stocks, instead of the tube threads would be excellent. Simple solution for a nice improvement.
I've heard a 3rd-party is working on Stribog brace stuff, but who knows if/when it will be released. |
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Posted: 8/9/2018 3:37:27 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By meitner:
An adapter with a 1913 rail, allowing the use of MPX braces/stocks, instead of the tube threads would be excellent. Simple solution for a nice improvement. I've heard a 3rd-party is working on Stribog brace stuff, but who knows if/when it will be released. |
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Posted: 8/10/2018 4:28:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vegitan:
@kpel308 Any word on the A3? I am assuming he has submitted the paperwork for ATF processing, correct? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vegitan:
Originally Posted By kpel308:
The A1 (in Europe it is the A2) was approved by the ATF before he came up with the A3 non-reciprocating delayed blowback. They have to get that operating system approved by the ATF before importation. They are already in select-fire and semi versions in Europe. Thank the ATF's bureaucracy. Yes, this thing comes in select fire, just not to us. Any word on the A3? I am assuming he has submitted the paperwork for ATF processing, correct? I will also ask about a Pic rail rear end. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 8/18/2018 3:32:55 PM EDT
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If I am not mistaken, Safety Harbor Firearms has built a pic rail for the back already. Don't believe it is available yet though. I would just like to see the factory folders available, and do something about the shoulder on the barrel.
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Posted: 8/18/2018 10:41:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556fan:
If I am not mistaken, Safety Harbor Firearms has built a pic rail for the back already. Don't believe it is available yet though. I would just like to see the factory folders available, and do something about the shoulder on the barrel. Jaro's wife just gave him a new son, so he's busy, and I am having my second bout of food poisoning in 2 weeks. I think I ingested some water in the shower, and it has been a great couple of days. Flew SWMBO to Bantayan Island, and got us a seaside villa. At least the bathroom is nice.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 8/19/2018 12:56:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpel308:
I found the Safety Harbor FB thread and tagged the pertinent parties. Great idea, and I hope a mutually beneficial relationship comes from it. 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 8/21/2018 7:38:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SpyHawk]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By N_Parker: Adding pic from their FB post. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/923/RX0MHr.jpg |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 8/21/2018 9:01:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/21/2018 9:59:43 PM EDT
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Clearance? as in... its going away???
or as in another new generations is coming? |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 8/22/2018 12:36:45 AM EDT
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Wow...glad I didn't bother picking up any to sell, thats below my lowest distributor cost...
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AFG
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Posted: 8/22/2018 12:52:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Getnlwr:
Clearance? as in... its going away??? or as in another new generations is coming? |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 8/22/2018 6:36:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: N_Parker]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By airmandaniel:
It looks to be a generational thing. Non-integrated iron sights, key mod, and some differences in the lower it looks like. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By airmandaniel:
Originally Posted By Getnlwr:
Clearance? as in... its going away??? or as in another new generations is coming? |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 3:07:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThanks N_Parker I couldn't resist at $629. 
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