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Posted: 10/1/2018 11:06:06 AM EDT
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[#2]
It doesn't bother me that they use the Super Scar trigger or is in 6.5 creedmore. The former is better than whatever they made and the latter requires more R&D than they have into it. The price does bother me. FN, when I read $5,500 I see "FUCK YOU".
I submit that the whole situation and antics with the SCAR 17 and especially the SSR merits FN now taking the place of HK's "Because you suck and we hate you" throne. I can't think of a case where HK SAID that a product would be released and then held off for years, where HK raised the MSRP price of an item, or where HK did a limited release of an item for the sole purpose of charging a ridiculous price. Also the exclusion of the SCAR from the NRA instructors discount list makes absolutely no sense when they have the SAW on the list. I would love a SCAR and SSR but FN doesn't want me to buy them. At this point I would buy a Larue, LMT, HK, or KAC because they haven't been actively screwing with costumers for years. FN if you want my cash, drop the MSRP on the SCAR a $1000 and $2500 on the SSR. |
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It doesn't bother me that they use the Super Scar trigger or is in 6.5 creedmore. The former is better than whatever they made and the latter requires more R&D than they have into it. The price does bother me. FN, when I read $5,500 I see "FUCK YOU". I submit that the whole situation and antics with the SCAR 17 and especially the SSR merits FN now taking the place of HK's "Because you suck and we hate you" throne. I can't think of a case where HK SAID that a product would be released and then held off for years, where HK raised the MSRP price of an item, or where HK did a limited release of an item for the sole purpose of charging a ridiculous price. Also the exclusion of the SCAR from the NRA instructors discount list makes absolutely no sense when they have the SAW on the list. I would love a SCAR and SSR but FN doesn't want me to buy them. At this point I would buy a Larue, LMT, HK, or KAC because they haven't been actively screwing with costumers for years. FN if you want my cash, drop the MSRP on the SCAR a $1000 and $2500 on the SSR. View Quote 5400 for the rifle and a nightforce may have been interesting. 5400 for a barrel, extended receiver and stock that they came up 6 years ago. |
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[#6]
Dunno what street price would be, but assuming we are starting with a 5.4k MSRP, nah...which blows, I want an SSR something fierce, and have for years.
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[#7]
It's neat that they've finally decided to release them. Though my interest has significantly waned over time.
I think I would pick something else to get to, and beyond, 800 yards. I do think every one will sell fairly quickly. |
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[#8]
LOL’ed hard at the price
I’ll wait a year until they are on the secondary market and put a 6.5cm barrel in it |
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[#9]
For that price I could buy a SR25 and optic. Good luck moving these bricks FN USA...
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[#12]
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It doesn't bother me that they use the Super Scar trigger or is in 6.5 creedmore. The former is better than whatever they made and the latter requires more R&D than they have into it. The price does bother me. FN, when I read $5,500 I see "FUCK YOU". I submit that the whole situation and antics with the SCAR 17 and especially the SSR merits FN now taking the place of HK's "Because you suck and we hate you" throne. I can't think of a case where HK SAID that a product would be released and then held off for years, where HK raised the MSRP price of an item, or where HK did a limited release of an item for the sole purpose of charging a ridiculous price. Also the exclusion of the SCAR from the NRA instructors discount list makes absolutely no sense when they have the SAW on the list. I would love a SCAR and SSR but FN doesn't want me to buy them. At this point I would buy a Larue, LMT, HK, or KAC because they haven't been actively screwing with costumers for years. FN if you want my cash, drop the MSRP on the SCAR a $1000 and $2500 on the SSR. View Quote |
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[#13]
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FN is selling SCARs as fast as they can import them. I’d wager that’s the reason they’re not offering discounts, they don’t need to. Hate them for that decision if you want but that’s likely the reason. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It doesn't bother me that they use the Super Scar trigger or is in 6.5 creedmore. The former is better than whatever they made and the latter requires more R&D than they have into it. The price does bother me. FN, when I read $5,500 I see "FUCK YOU". I submit that the whole situation and antics with the SCAR 17 and especially the SSR merits FN now taking the place of HK's "Because you suck and we hate you" throne. I can't think of a case where HK SAID that a product would be released and then held off for years, where HK raised the MSRP price of an item, or where HK did a limited release of an item for the sole purpose of charging a ridiculous price. Also the exclusion of the SCAR from the NRA instructors discount list makes absolutely no sense when they have the SAW on the list. I would love a SCAR and SSR but FN doesn't want me to buy them. At this point I would buy a Larue, LMT, HK, or KAC because they haven't been actively screwing with costumers for years. FN if you want my cash, drop the MSRP on the SCAR a $1000 and $2500 on the SSR. |
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[#14]
The hardcore fanboys are buying. But the SCAR-17 isn’t worth $3300, and the SSR isn’t worth $5k+. I’d be buying an SR-25 for that kind of cash.
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[#15]
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It doesn't bother me that they use the Super Scar trigger or is in 6.5 creedmore. The former is better than whatever they made and the latter requires more R&D than they have into it. The price does bother me. FN, when I read $5,500 I see "FUCK YOU". I submit that the whole situation and antics with the SCAR 17 and especially the SSR merits FN now taking the place of HK's "Because you suck and we hate you" throne. I can't think of a case where HK SAID that a product would be released and then held off for years, where HK raised the MSRP price of an item, or where HK did a limited release of an item for the sole purpose of charging a ridiculous price. Also the exclusion of the SCAR from the NRA instructors discount list makes absolutely no sense when they have the SAW on the list. I would love a SCAR and SSR but FN doesn't want me to buy them. At this point I would buy a Larue, LMT, HK, or KAC because they haven't been actively screwing with costumers for years. FN if you want my cash, drop the MSRP on the SCAR a $1000 and $2500 on the SSR. View Quote Also, why would FN drop SCAR prices if people are buying them faster than they can ship them to dealers? I'm not disagreeing with you - I think it's too much $$$ for what it is (for me personally), but FN is a business not a charity. Their primary concern is making money - not whether or not their pricing conflicts with what your definition of worth is. If people stop buying them, they'll drop the price. |
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[#16]
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The hardcore fanboys are buying. But the SCAR-17 isn’t worth $3300, and the SSR isn’t worth $5k+. I’d be buying an SR-25 for that kind of cash. View Quote This is definitely geared for the collector that has the cash and just NEEDS a Mk20, not the general shooting public. |
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[#20]
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$5,000 for an SR-25 is acceptable though? Also, why would FN drop SCAR prices if people are buying them faster than they can ship them to dealers? I'm not disagreeing with you - I think it's too much $$$ for what it is (for me personally), but FN is a business not a charity. Their primary concern is making money - not whether or not their pricing conflicts with what your definition of worth is. If people stop buying them, they'll drop the price. View Quote My Scar on the other hand while a good weapon, still suffers from a number of shortcomings. Its trigger was shit, its hand guard was obsolete, it has a reputation of eating optics, Its stock is a somewhat weak link, it ships with an A2 stock, and the oddest thing i have read is that you need to change out screws when swapping the barrel. The Scar while its been out for shit, like 10 years now, is still pretty fucking raw. We have seen the MSRP raise from 3200 to 3500. Nothing has really changed. I can look at the SR25, I objectively say that while its not worth it to me. They really have developed that platform and that counts for something. In battle Carbine configuration it has short comings, and in long range configuration, its marginal at best, Marginal caliber, marginal twist. everybody has been going shorter, 1:10 barrels and FN releases this thing. if i was looking at adding another long range gas gun, there zero reason i would take the SSR over a JP or Gap. |
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[#21]
Not sure where the butt hurt is coming from regarding price.
Does not seem to be that much of a premium for the "limited" package thing. What did you guys expect? Where is all the butthurt over pricing coming from. Since day one there has always been a SCAR premium due to the fact that the platform has not become mainstream. Some quick math: $100 - Harris SBRM Bipod $200 - SKB Case (not sure of mode going on average) $100 - Custom foarm $398 - First Spear R37 Rifle Wrap $50 - Vickers Sling $100 - FN SCAR 20S Field Kit $50 - Bore guide $325 - Geissele Super SCAR trigger. $1,323 - Total of extras NOT counting swag (coin, book, etc) So, if we are to say a "standard" SCAR 17s is $3,000 we have a total of $4,323 leaves a difference of $1,176. That means the SSR "cool guy" factors of the longer barrel, adjustable buttstock, longer barrel, etc cost $1,176 as a premium over a "regular" SCAR 17S. Doesn't really seem that bad. |
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[#23]
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Not sure where the butt hurt is coming from regarding price. Does not seem to be that much of a premium for the "limited" package thing. What did you guys expect? Where is all the butthurt over pricing coming from. Since day one there has always been a SCAR premium due to the fact that the platform has not become mainstream. Some quick math: $100 - Harris SBRM Bipod $200 - SKB Case (not sure of mode going on average) $100 - Custom foarm $398 - First Spear R37 Rifle Wrap $50 - Vickers Sling $100 - FN SCAR 20S Field Kit $50 - Bore guide $325 - Geissele Super SCAR trigger. $1,323 - Total of extras NOT counting swag (coin, book, etc) So, if we are to say a "standard" SCAR 17s is $3,000 we have a total of $4,323 leaves a difference of $1,176. That means the SSR "cool guy" factors of the longer barrel, adjustable buttstock, longer barrel, etc cost $1,176 as a premium over a "regular" SCAR 17S. Doesn't really seem that bad. View Quote Now if they offered it in both 308 and 6.5, you know, barrels that they already make in house, the SSR would be more interesting and something that i would considering paying a premium for. would I pay an extra 1200 over a standard Scar... possibly, although i would probably be more inclined to just get a 6.5 barrel for my standard Scar. Std Scar with two barrels would be about same price as a SSR with one barrel. |
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[#25]
I think it's awesome they released it. It is a bit overpriced though,and my 16 inch 17 is already a good combo of accurate and light.
I think FN would gain more market share if they could get the price a little lower too but, not my company lol. Most of the complaints about the scar are either not a big deal or things people would change anyway...would it be nice if there was a factory version of the PMM mlock rails, of course. But FN is more of a cargo ship than a speedboat. Not quick to change direction. Now they just need to release a pistol Scar SC and make that stock available too.Hopefully not in another 5 years. |
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[#26]
I'll be waiting on the standard model. Less money, less stuff I won't even use anyways, and I won't have to feel bad about shooting it if the Limited ones are individually numbered/for resale value.
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[#28]
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I think it's awesome they released it. It is a bit overpriced though,and my 16 inch 17 is already a good combo of accurate and light. I think FN would gain more market share if they could get the price a little lower too but, not my company lol. Most of the complaints about the scar are either not a big deal or things people would change anyway...would it be nice if there was a factory version of the PMM mlock rails, of course. But FN is more of a cargo ship than a speedboat. Not quick to change direction. Now they just need to release a pistol Scar SC and make that stock available too.Hopefully not in another 5 years. View Quote The problem is that FN is not supporting this capability. CZ is. CZ pretty much copied the SCAR, and I'll tell you this, I have zero interest in the Scar 16, but I will buy the small frame Bren 2, they are already supporting its modularity and it hasn't really come out yet. I think a Bren 2/scar 16 PDW with 8 inch barrel in 7.62x39 or 300BO would be awesome, and i would buy that right now. CZ offers it, FN just leaves it on the shelves. So yeah, The SSR is cool, I like the platform, but i dont need one 3000 dollar carbine, and one 4000 dollar long range gun and have 7 grand tied up before optics. I would how ever spend 300-500 on a decent long range stock, and i would drop 1200ish on decent long range barrel, but thats not going to be anything chambered in 308 with a 1:12 twist barrel. |
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[#30]
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I'll be waiting on the standard model. Less money, less stuff I won't even use anyways, and I won't have to feel bad about shooting it if the Limited ones are individually numbered/for resale value. View Quote |
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[#31]
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Same here, even though the standard will still probably be close to $4k. View Quote |
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[#32]
Quoted: Was quoted $3999 MSRP by my rep. There’s 5800 supposedly coming so I’m expecting street price is a bit lower. That being said I was also quoted a 1:10 twist. I’d prefer that, but I’m kind of expecting a 1:12 like everything else FN. View Quote |
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[#33]
Quoted: Does that mean he said a non-special edition SSR is coming shortly? Or am I misunderstanding? Because I’d be all in for that at a roughly 3500ish street price. View Quote I'm not big on limited/special edition challenge coins. And I don't need a shooting mat or hard case, or harris bipod. So I'm very much looking forward to the standard. I'd be in at $4k, but even more so if it hits the market a little less. Can use the gap between the $5.5k and $4k to buy a decent barrel if it's actually a 1:12 twist. 6.5 or .260 could be fun, and I believe those are starting to trickle out in the wild among some units, too. |
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[#34]
Quoted: Correct. Doesn't come with all the fancy-ness. Just the standard cardboard box. And I would assume 1 mag. Should be released sometime in November if all goes to plan, according to him. I'm not big on limited/special edition challenge coins. And I don't need a shooting mat or hard case, or harris bipod. So I'm very much looking forward to the standard. I'd be in at $4k, but even more so if it hits the market a little less. Can use the gap between the $5.5k and $4k to buy a decent barrel if it's actually a 1:12 twist. 6.5 or .260 could be fun, and I believe those are starting to trickle out in the wild among some units, too. View Quote |
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[#35]
I will be ordering a standard for a MK20 clone when released.
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[#36]
Haters gonna hate. If I had the spare coin I would fo. But I would buy the standard edition that is hopefully to follow.
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[#39]
If I were made of money I’d have one just because...but after getting my MWS I ditched SCAR’s all. Together and really haven’t looked back. I was hoping for a SCAR16 PDW pistol with a brace on this release, but I’ll keep waiting...
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[#40]
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If I were made of money I’d have one just because...but after getting my MWS I ditched SCAR’s all. Together and really haven’t looked back. I was hoping for a SCAR16 PDW pistol with a brace on this release, but I’ll keep waiting... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2980/F01DD8C9-22B7-4764-A861-CB41612ABC2A-698366.JPG View Quote |
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[#41]
Quoted: That's interesting. I have an MWS and it's an absolutely horrible suppressor host, even with low back pressure cans like my socom 762 mini 2. By comparison, my SCAR 17 is wonderful due to being able to swap the gas jets. My SCAR has noticeably less felt recoil, weighs less, and is much more accurate despite the lighter profile barrel. My MWS is up for sale. View Quote |
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[#42]
Quoted: Must be a barrel issue. My SCAR had to go back for warranty work because my AK’s could out shoot it. The MWS is super mild to shoot and is a sub-MOA rifle with good ammo. View Quote |
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[#43]
Has it been confirmed that FN will be releasing a (lower MSRP) non-limited edition MK20 SSR version?
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[#45]
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Yes it was confirmed today. All over social media and the internet. Also quiet a few of them on gun broker right now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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[#46]
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If I were made of money I’d have one just because...but after getting my MWS I ditched SCAR’s all. Together and really haven’t looked back. I was hoping for a SCAR16 PDW pistol with a brace on this release, but I’ll keep waiting... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2980/F01DD8C9-22B7-4764-A861-CB41612ABC2A-698366.JPG View Quote |
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[#48]
Will the SCAR 20S have a side folding stock similar to the 17S? From what I can find the stock appears to be fixed which is ridiculous for a 20" rifle.
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[#50]
If I had the money I would buy one in a heartbeat. I would also buy the stock to replace the OEM 17 stock. If you do not like the 20s do not buy it.
If I were building the SCAR 20 I would probably change a few things 1in10 twist barrel, ditch the pic rails and just have M-Lok\ The rifle still looks bad ass and maybe they will make it without all the goodies and just sell a rifle with the G-trigger. I also think it is a great idea to use a G-trigger instead of FN standard trigger or making their own. Why not use the best instead of trying to reinvent the wheel and probably saved a lot of money on overall cost using something that is already developed and tested. OP this is what I think of when I read your comments..... Do not lose sleep over it... Attached File |
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