User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 9/26/2020 1:25:15 AM EDT
[#1]
I'm sure you'll get plenty of recommendations for cans such as: Omega, Resonator (K), Nomad, Sandman S, Vox, Razor, Socom RC2, TBAC Ultra/Dominus, Recce 7 and others.
What I wanted to add is, if you find your gun/can combo is overgassed, a guy named Clint at Black River Tactical makes some gas tubes with a reduced size gas port that could help you tune the gas system. https://blackrivertactical.com/WP/BRT-EZTUNE-Gas-Tube-LMT-MID-p148504128 |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/26/2020 2:12:44 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure you'll get plenty of recommendations for cans such as: Omega, Resonator (K), Nomad, Sandman S, Vox, Razor, Socom RC2, TBAC Ultra/Dominus, Recce 7 and others. What I wanted to add is, if you find your gun/can combo is overgassed, a guy named Clint at Black River Tactical makes some gas tubes with a reduced size gas port that could help you tune the gas system. https://blackrivertactical.com/WP/BRT-EZTUNE-Gas-Tube-LMT-MID-p148504128 Thanks. The fact that there is a dedicated service for this leads me to believe that I may be chasing a unicorn. I was hoping there would be some can that would work reliably as-is. I don't mind getting hit harder, as long as it cycles reliably. I will definitely keep this in mind. Thank you. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/26/2020 11:32:29 AM EDT
[#3]
Yeah the only one that would work is a can like OSS...
All others will overgas the system that is already pretty overgassed from factory. One reason I got rid of mine, as a lefty...it was just too much. Another solution is an adjustable gas key... |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/26/2020 1:42:00 PM EDT
[#4]
A 16" gun plus any length can is probably going to be too much for a "HD" rifle, which I can only assume means home defense.
Unless you have 6" wide halls or live in a warehouse you'll be working in tight quarters with a carbine that has an OAL of 38" plus the can. That's a lot. Not to mention the gun is 10lbs empty, no optics, no can. And as you mentioned, pretty gassy to start. Unless you are sentimentally tied to the gun you'd be much better off with some sort of AR pistol in 5.56/.300 BLK with a can. Making smart choices you can go from 40"+ down to 30" or less- including the can- real quick. If you still choose to move forward with the MWS, my only recommendation would be something akin to the Sandman K due to length/weight/ gas. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/26/2020 2:20:43 PM EDT
[#5]
The CGS Helios QD may be an option because of the vented end caps. I do not know what kind of firing schedule it’ll take in a 308 though.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 9/26/2020 3:37:08 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah the only one that would work is a can like OSS... All others will overgas the system that is already pretty overgassed from factory. One reason I got rid of mine, as a lefty...it was just too much. Another solution is an adjustable gas key... Copy. I want to have a system that is as close to factory as possible, so as to not alter reliability. I picked the LMT primarily because of its reputation to always cycle, but in this case it's the achilles heel. I probably should have picked another platform to begin with. The thought of being able to use the system without hearing protection didn't occur until I realized that if I am using it for home defense, I probably won't be able to ask everyone involved in the situation to put in ear protection. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/26/2020 3:42:46 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A 16" gun plus any length can is probably going to be too much for a "HD" rifle, which I can only assume means home defense. Unless you have 6" wide halls or live in a warehouse you'll be working in tight quarters with a carbine that has an OAL of 38" plus the can. That's a lot. Not to mention the gun is 10lbs empty, no optics, no can. And as you mentioned, pretty gassy to start. Unless you are sentimentally tied to the gun you'd be much better off with some sort of AR pistol in 5.56/.300 BLK with a can. Making smart choices you can go from 40"+ down to 30" or less- including the can- real quick. If you still choose to move forward with the MWS, my only recommendation would be something akin to the Sandman K due to length/weight/ gas. Yeah all that began to dawn on me after I filled out the paperwork. I am not sentimental about it. But I was told that there is nothing more reliable than a LMT. I figured I would swap out the barrel to a 13.5 with a brake. Then I remembered how loud my Larue 14.5 is with it's brake and thought I should add a suppressor. Instead of putting on more bandaids I think I am at a point where I should just invest in a shorter 5.56 pistol. To be honest weight doesn't bother me too much, but that could change quickly if I had to use a phone with one hand. Appreciate the feedback, I was somewhat leaning this way, just need to save up now. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/26/2020 3:43:11 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The CGS Helios QD may be an option because of the vented end caps. I do not know what kind of firing schedule it’ll take in a 308 though. Will keep in mind, thanks! |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/26/2020 4:17:55 PM EDT
[#9]
Adding more gas (back pressure from a silencer) to an over gassed gun could easily induce reliability problems with your gun.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 9/26/2020 4:34:33 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah all that began to dawn on me after I filled out the paperwork. I am not sentimental about it. But I was told that there is nothing more reliable than a LMT. I figured I would swap out the barrel to a 13.5 with a brake. Then I remembered how loud my Larue 14.5 is with it's brake and thought I should add a suppressor. Instead of putting on more bandaids I think I am at a point where I should just invest in a shorter 5.56 pistol. To be honest weight doesn't bother me too much, but that could change quickly if I had to use a phone with one hand. Appreciate the feedback, I was somewhat leaning this way, just need to save up now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A 16" gun plus any length can is probably going to be too much for a "HD" rifle, which I can only assume means home defense. Unless you have 6" wide halls or live in a warehouse you'll be working in tight quarters with a carbine that has an OAL of 38" plus the can. That's a lot. Not to mention the gun is 10lbs empty, no optics, no can. And as you mentioned, pretty gassy to start. Unless you are sentimentally tied to the gun you'd be much better off with some sort of AR pistol in 5.56/.300 BLK with a can. Making smart choices you can go from 40"+ down to 30" or less- including the can- real quick. If you still choose to move forward with the MWS, my only recommendation would be something akin to the Sandman K due to length/weight/ gas. Yeah all that began to dawn on me after I filled out the paperwork. I am not sentimental about it. But I was told that there is nothing more reliable than a LMT. I figured I would swap out the barrel to a 13.5 with a brake. Then I remembered how loud my Larue 14.5 is with it's brake and thought I should add a suppressor. Instead of putting on more bandaids I think I am at a point where I should just invest in a shorter 5.56 pistol. To be honest weight doesn't bother me too much, but that could change quickly if I had to use a phone with one hand. Appreciate the feedback, I was somewhat leaning this way, just need to save up now. Not that I have it all figured out but my preferred HD setup centers around a suppressed 9" .300 BLK SBR running 120-125gr Supers. Light enough to use one handed if I needed to (ie. leading family members or picking up children). But quiet enough that I can yell and be heard. There is literally nothing you can do to a .308 to make it not rock eardrums indoors. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/26/2020 5:11:42 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The CGS Helios QD may be an option because of the vented end caps. I do not know what kind of firing schedule it’ll take in a 308 though. There's nothing anyone's gonna do with a semi auto 16" 308 that'll hurt a Helios QD. My recommendation is to use the YHM Kurz kit with the Helios QD if you don't want to use direct thread. It's not coming off either way unless you want it to, but with the YHM Kurz kit installed the OAL including the QD mount is ~7.0". Weight including the muzzle device would be near identical to a Sandman S with its muzzle device. Helios QD is in stock at Silencer Shop, Capitol Armory, and Hansohn Bros. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/26/2020 6:07:31 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Adding more gas (back pressure from a silencer) to an over gassed gun could easily induce reliability problems with your gun. Agreed, that's why I was hoping for a can that could alleviate the concern. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/26/2020 6:09:23 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not that I have it all figured out but my preferred HD setup centers around a suppressed 9" .300 BLK SBR running 120-125gr Supers. Light enough to use one handed if I needed to (ie. leading family members or picking up children). But quiet enough that I can yell and be heard. There is literally nothing you can do to a .308 to make it not rock eardrums indoors. That is true, I wasn't expecting long term hearing safe. Just hoping not to permanently deafen people around me. A shorter AR pistol is becoming more appealing. I am thinking the shorter 13.5 barrell might make the gas issues and noise worse. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/26/2020 6:12:05 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's nothing anyone's gonna do with a semi auto 16" 308 that'll hurt a Helios QD. My recommendation is to use the YHM Kurz kit with the Helios QD if you don't want to use direct thread. It's not coming off either way unless you want it to, but with the YHM Kurz kit installed the OAL including the QD mount is ~7.0". Weight including the muzzle device would be near identical to a Sandman S with its muzzle device. Helios QD is in stock at Silencer Shop, Capitol Armory, and Hansohn Bros. I am not highly concerned about suppressor life. I am worried though that the excess pressure will chew components faster. I see them in stock, any idea how long the 4 is taking these days? |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/26/2020 6:40:11 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's nothing anyone's gonna do with a semi auto 16" 308 that'll hurt a Helios QD. My recommendation is to use the YHM Kurz kit with the Helios QD if you don't want to use direct thread. It's not coming off either way unless you want it to, but with the YHM Kurz kit installed the OAL including the QD mount is ~7.0". Weight including the muzzle device would be near identical to a Sandman S with its muzzle device. Helios QD is in stock at Silencer Shop, Capitol Armory, and Hansohn Bros. Cool. Nice to know. I have one on order direct through you guys. Just waiting on delivery to start my paperwork. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/27/2020 10:49:59 AM EDT
[#16]
For HD, I would have picked a 9mm PCC: MP5, Scorpion, Stribog etc...put a suppressor on and be done...
A .308 for HD is just too much...IMHO and would only use one if that was my last resort.... |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/27/2020 12:47:16 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For HD, I would have picked a 9mm PCC: MP5, Scorpion, Stribog etc...put a suppressor on and be done... A .308 for HD is just too much...IMHO and would only use one if that was my last resort.... Based on the feedback I'm seeing over here, I agree. I was perhaps being naive in trying to repurpose a tool meant for a completely different application. I had never thought of a 9mm carbine. I'll do some research, though I was leaning towards an AR pistol. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/27/2020 1:51:07 PM EDT
[#18]
If you ever come to my part of Florida, I’ll let you shoot my 11” OSW FAL under a covered awning. Might want to wear a dusk mask and goggles after you start cleaning out the eaves even with the can on.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 9/27/2020 11:59:13 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you ever come to my part of Florida, I’ll let you shoot my 11” OSW FAL under a covered awning. Might want to wear a dusk mask and goggles after you start cleaning out the eaves even with the can on. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/31823/28F5E48C-72C9-4D77-BD18-62CCFF9C1604-1579159.jpg Thanks. I've got dealings in Tampa, so I may take you up on that. RSO at my local range has a FAL that he was shooting this weekend with some type of unique QD brake setup. It was fairly loud, and that is me being generous with 2 layers of ears. I can't imagine any of these setups being hearing safe, maybe the solution is to simply keep hearing protection next to whatever choice of weapon. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/28/2020 1:57:13 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cool. Nice to know. I have one on order direct through you guys. Just waiting on delivery to start my paperwork. Thanks for buying, we appreciate it. I'd assume it's not too far out. There are a ton of them that shipped out and there are many more being built in various stages. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/28/2020 2:22:15 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on the feedback I'm seeing over here, I agree. I was perhaps being naive in trying to repurpose a tool meant for a completely different application. I had never thought of a 9mm carbine. I'll do some research, though I was leaning towards an AR pistol. To me, a 9mm PCC is the perfect HD setup...especially coupled with a suppressor. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/28/2020 2:33:40 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To me, a 9mm PCC is the perfect HD setup...especially coupled with a suppressor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Based on the feedback I'm seeing over here, I agree. I was perhaps being naive in trying to repurpose a tool meant for a completely different application. I had never thought of a 9mm carbine. I'll do some research, though I was leaning towards an AR pistol. To me, a 9mm PCC is the perfect HD setup...especially coupled with a suppressor. Until you start looking at terminal ballistics. |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
