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You get the photonis because your bino bridge will break before your tube does. What difference is a ten vs two year warranty when most the shit that goes wrong is user error? Let me repeat this for the stubborn in the back:

Are you a normal, thoughtful, reasonable person? Then go Gen 2 because Gen 3 is a disposable item and designed to make cucked up pieces of shit like L3 monies for decades. Gen 2 won't break. Gen 2 is better oob. Gen 2 is the future. Gen 3, is shitty.

Unless you're doing star gazing or science, tits through a window are pretty much the same in green, chrome (cyborg titties best titties) thin filmed, thick filmed for her pleasure or no film because you like space herpes.

You guys are aware they burn tubes in house to error check them before shipping right? Probably for longer than any of you use them the next year after the first month of omg I apex now. Your tubes will break if you do these things:

1: leave them on when you shouldn't
2: live in an environment composed of helium
3: you bought L3 shit and they bent you over with the promise of high specs and gucci shit but failed to tell you in reality no one gives a fuck and all tubes dim, dipshit. Your specs last a year, less under real usage.
4: you drop them and you didn't buy Gen 2. Bonus if you have a panic attack, post here, realize it's just debris. That poor dude was probably beating himself up so hard over that.

If something was going to go wrong when they make a tube, they rip the top off, sell it without markings and who gives a fuck since most of you are waaaay to involved in giving a fuck about specs so you'd never buy it anyway. Overpaying is the new/old status symbol I guess. You even think that tubes aren't disposable pieces of shit designed to line the pockets of L3. The funny thing is in the NVG business, telling the truth costs you money.

Also, RNVG looks cool as shit. For those of you wondering why it's priced so cheap, it's because it's cheap as fuck to produce as ALL HOUSINGS ARE (ie ur getting played fam, the designs are mostly shit and the usage of epoxy is criminal) and the idea that any of you would even know the difference between f1.2 - f1.3. it's like +- 5% anyway. Tolerances are a bitch.

Blaming glass is so laughable. The Chinese glass is better anyway. You're going to lose more light from the shitty PVS 14 coatings than you would if you just cut the fucking glass yourself with a screwdriver. Milspec glass is shit.  You know what an import objective and ocular lens costs? Don't look, you'll hate yourself for overpaying and paying for reduced specs.

Every fucking time in these threads. Look, your eyeballs can't tell the difference and if they could, use more IR. Specs only matter to astronomers and fanbois. Your friend you show won't even know how to set the ocular properly so who gives a flying fuck about 64 vs 72 vs 2200 and 18um series whatever. You. Won't. Be. Able. To. Tell. Also, Photonis is the future. L3 are cucks and should suck a dick.

Seriously bad tubes are obvious. You're not going to get that from any of the major vendors here, even the verboten ones. You guys are worse than gear whores. No one knows or cares the fom formula when you take them out. They just see in the dark. Like you will. If you would just stop being so easily duped into caring about trivial shit like specs once they get past a certain level. You're not a scientist or astronomer, you're Gary, a semisuccesful middleclass guy who puts ten hours a year on your tubes but worries about a ten year warranty vs a two year warranty. Holy shit stop.

Also, whomst makes the RNVG and others:

STOP PUTTING ONBOARD IR LIGHTS, IT'S STUPID, IT'S A WASTE OF SPACE AND MATERIALS. THIS IS CURRENT YEAR +3, PUT A FUCKIN RHEOSTAT THERE BECAUSE NO ONE LIKES ABC WHEN STAR GAZING. NO ONE.

Love u my dudes. Just you all scare off the normal folks with buzzwords that don't mean shit. Stop it.

Also TNVC is kinda salty lately. I'm sorry you're salty fam, cheer up.

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You get the photonis because your bino bridge will break before your tube does. What difference is a ten vs two year warranty when most the shit that goes wrong is user error? Let me repeat this for the stubborn in the back:

Are you a normal, thoughtful, reasonable person? Then go Gen 2 because Gen 3 is a disposable item and designed to make cucked up pieces of shit like L3 monies for decades. Gen 2 won't break. Gen 2 is better oob. Gen 2 is the future. Gen 3, is shitty.

Unless you're doing star gazing or science, tits through a window are pretty much the same in green, chrome (cyborg titties best titties) thin filmed, thick filmed for her pleasure or no film because you like space herpes.

You guys are aware they burn tubes in house to error check them before shipping right? Probably for longer than any of you use them the next year after the first month of omg I apex now. Your tubes will break if you do these things:

1: leave them on when you shouldn't
2: live in an environment composed of helium
3: you bought L3 shit and they bent you over with the promise of high specs and gucci shit but failed to tell you in reality no one gives a fuck and all tubes dim, dipshit. Your specs last a year, less under real usage.
4: you drop them and you didn't buy Gen 2. Bonus if you have a panic attack, post here, realize it's just debris. That poor dude was probably beating himself up so hard over that.

If something was going to go wrong when they make a tube, they rip the top off, sell it without markings and who gives a fuck since most of you are waaaay to involved in giving a fuck about specs so you'd never buy it anyway. Overpaying is the new/old status symbol I guess. You even think that tubes aren't disposable pieces of shit designed to line the pockets of L3. The funny thing is in the NVG business, telling the truth costs you money.

Also, RNVG looks cool as shit. For those of you wondering why it's priced so cheap, it's because it's cheap as fuck to produce as ALL HOUSINGS ARE (ie ur getting played fam, the designs are mostly shit and the usage of epoxy is criminal) and the idea that any of you would even know the difference between f1.2 - f1.3. it's like +- 5% anyway. Tolerances are a bitch.

Blaming glass is so laughable. The Chinese glass is better anyway. You're going to lose more light from the shitty PVS 14 coatings than you would if you just cut the fucking glass yourself with a screwdriver. Milspec glass is shit.  You know what an import objective and ocular lens costs? Don't look, you'll hate yourself for overpaying and paying for reduced specs.

Every fucking time in these threads. Look, your eyeballs can't tell the difference and if they could, use more IR. Specs only matter to astronomers and fanbois. Your friend you show won't even know how to set the ocular properly so who gives a flying fuck about 64 vs 72 vs 2200 and 18um series whatever. You. Won't. Be. Able. To. Tell. Also, Photonis is the future. L3 are cucks and should suck a dick.

Seriously bad tubes are obvious. You're not going to get that from any of the major vendors here, even the verboten ones. You guys are worse than gear whores. No one knows or cares the fom formula when you take them out. They just see in the dark. Like you will. If you would just stop being so easily duped into caring about trivial shit like specs once they get past a certain level. You're not a scientist or astronomer, you're Gary, a semisuccesful middleclass guy who puts ten hours a year on your tubes but worries about a ten year warranty vs a two year warranty. Holy shit stop.

Also, whomst makes the RNVG and others:

STOP PUTTING ONBOARD IR LIGHTS, IT'S STUPID, IT'S A WASTE OF SPACE AND MATERIALS. THIS IS CURRENT YEAR +3, PUT A FUCKIN RHEOSTAT THERE BECAUSE NO ONE LIKES ABC WHEN STAR GAZING. NO ONE.

Love u my dudes. Just you all scare off the normal folks with buzzwords that don't mean shit. Stop it.

Also TNVC is kinda salty lately. I'm sorry you're salty fam, cheer up.

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Those cool pigtails can suck my dick. Real scientists worked at ITT before they got sold out and fired. L3 are cucks and the pigtail is a lie. It's not cool. It sucks.

I hate manual gain. I also like it. I like it enough to diy it up since our beloved manufacturers would rather put a stupid shoot me in the head light onboard. Dumb af. Probably bc they can't get an L3 pigtail to work right since they are all shit.

10160? Solder a 3mmx1mm smd resisistor on for shitty bino designs or run two wires and stuff em in the 7 or 14 housings with a small rheostat to keep the adjustable gain for when your tube dims a bit

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You get the photonis because your bino bridge will break before your tube does. What difference is a ten vs two year warranty when most the shit that goes wrong is user error? Let me repeat this for the stubborn in the back:

Are you a normal, thoughtful, reasonable person? Then go Gen 2 because Gen 3 is a disposable item and designed to make cucked up pieces of shit like L3 monies for decades. Gen 2 won't break. Gen 2 is better oob. Gen 2 is the future. Gen 3, is shitty.

Unless you're doing star gazing or science, tits through a window are pretty much the same in green, chrome (cyborg titties best titties) thin filmed, thick filmed for her pleasure or no film because you like space herpes.

You guys are aware they burn tubes in house to error check them before shipping right? Probably for longer than any of you use them the next year after the first month of omg I apex now. Your tubes will break if you do these things:

1: leave them on when you shouldn't
2: live in an environment composed of helium
3: you bought L3 shit and they bent you over with the promise of high specs and gucci shit but failed to tell you in reality no one gives a fuck and all tubes dim, dipshit. Your specs last a year, less under real usage.
4: you drop them and you didn't buy Gen 2. Bonus if you have a panic attack, post here, realize it's just debris. That poor dude was probably beating himself up so hard over that.

If something was going to go wrong when they make a tube, they rip the top off, sell it without markings and who gives a fuck since most of you are waaaay to involved in giving a fuck about specs so you'd never buy it anyway. Overpaying is the new/old status symbol I guess. You even think that tubes aren't disposable pieces of shit designed to line the pockets of L3. The funny thing is in the NVG business, telling the truth costs you money.

Also, RNVG looks cool as shit. For those of you wondering why it's priced so cheap, it's because it's cheap as fuck to produce as ALL HOUSINGS ARE (ie ur getting played fam, the designs are mostly shit and the usage of epoxy is criminal) and the idea that any of you would even know the difference between f1.2 - f1.3. it's like +- 5% anyway. Tolerances are a bitch.

Blaming glass is so laughable. The Chinese glass is better anyway. You're going to lose more light from the shitty PVS 14 coatings than you would if you just cut the fucking glass yourself with a screwdriver. Milspec glass is shit.  You know what an import objective and ocular lens costs? Don't look, you'll hate yourself for overpaying and paying for reduced specs.

Every fucking time in these threads. Look, your eyeballs can't tell the difference and if they could, use more IR. Specs only matter to astronomers and fanbois. Your friend you show won't even know how to set the ocular properly so who gives a flying fuck about 64 vs 72 vs 2200 and 18um series whatever. You. Won't. Be. Able. To. Tell. Also, Photonis is the future. L3 are cucks and should suck a dick.

Seriously bad tubes are obvious. You're not going to get that from any of the major vendors here, even the verboten ones. You guys are worse than gear whores. No one knows or cares the fom formula when you take them out. They just see in the dark. Like you will. If you would just stop being so easily duped into caring about trivial shit like specs once they get past a certain level. You're not a scientist or astronomer, you're Gary, a semisuccesful middleclass guy who puts ten hours a year on your tubes but worries about a ten year warranty vs a two year warranty. Holy shit stop.

Also, whomst makes the RNVG and others:

STOP PUTTING ONBOARD IR LIGHTS, IT'S STUPID, IT'S A WASTE OF SPACE AND MATERIALS. THIS IS CURRENT YEAR +3, PUT A FUCKIN RHEOSTAT THERE BECAUSE NO ONE LIKES ABC WHEN STAR GAZING. NO ONE.

Love u my dudes. Just you all scare off the normal folks with buzzwords that don't mean shit. Stop it.

Also TNVC is kinda salty lately. I'm sorry you're salty fam, cheer up.

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Alright. Quick rundown, just got my RNVGs with WP Photonis tubes.

First off, these things are light. Impressively light, and seem like a strong design.

Don’t have a helmet yet, and I was too excited to wait for sun to set, so I did the next best thing and went to my bathroom and turned off the lights. There was no ambient light and could barely see the hand in front of my face. Turned these on, and I was impressed. I was expecting to have slightly poorer visibility with there being no light, but I could still see in great detail.

There will be more to come once I spend more time with these, but my initial impressions are fantastic. The Photonis tubes were a great choice. Glynn is also a great dude to deal with.

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The only downside I have found so far if you can even call it that. On my setup the RNVG mounts pretty high up. I am using a G24 Mount with a ops core carbon. The RNVG sits in the upper range of my vision with my g24 all the way down. I actually like it that way so I can look under the goggles when I need to. Could just be the way my face is structured or minor angle I wear my helmet. At any rate it does not bother me as it’s where I want it.

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I simply am not in the correct state of mind to understand a lot of the posts made on this thread. I assume there has been a mix of drunk ramblings, satire and possibly Ambien.

Can someone who is sober and not sleep deprived give me a cliff note version of the last page or so.

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I was curious if this would be possible with the rnvg. I want to make sure I'm on the same page as you on this though. I'm assuming you're saying this happened due to the electrical contacts from the bridge to the tubes? Same as the mod 3s having intermittent blackouts while driving rough terrain?

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I was curious if this would be possible with the rnvg. I want to make sure I’m on the same page as you on this though. I’m assuming you’re saying this happened due to the electrical contacts from the bridge to the tubes? Same as the mod 3s having intermittent blackouts while driving rough terrain?

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What’s the word on remote batts for these?

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Yes AB can mod your current RNVG for back up battery hook up for $100. Don't know ETA and/or turnaround time as they've been very busy as of late.

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Yes AB can mod your current RNVG for back up battery hook up for $100. Don't know ETA and/or turnaround time as they've been very busy as of late.

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Yes AB can mod your current RNVG for back up battery hook up for $100. Don't know ETA and/or turnaround time as they've been very busy as of late.

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Yes, the E-COTI will work with the RNVG.

~Augee

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Since the COTI is over one eye, without having to disassemble the other NV pod, will the inability of being unable to rotate the other NV pod tube upward, or to the side, be a disadvantage compared to other types of of NV like a DTNVG?   What are you guys recommending for the COTI, mono or dual, so as to not confuse the brain with two different images?

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COTI over one eye of your binos is great. I typically prefer the outline mode so it doesn't obscure whatever is hot and you can see 'through' the thermal highlight and identify face/hands/whatever with the I2 tube. I've never tried dual COTIs lol - might be awesome. But no, my brain has no problems with it only having the thermal added to one eye.

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A couple things.

When you say the latest Gen 4, I'm assuming you are referring to Photonis 4G Intens tubes. Please understand 4G does not mean Gen 4. There is no such thing as Gen 4 NV. The 4G designation is an internal moniker used by Photonis to grade their own tubes. There is a minimum spec Photonis requires one of their own tubes to meet in order to be sold as a 4G Intens. In the states if the tube didn't meet the 4G spec it gets sold as an Echo tube. You will also see Echo tubes referred to as DEP Hybrid Photonis Echo tubes. Some distributers of these tubes also will sell them as standard or HD which is basically their own internal hand select process and not necessarily a grading from Photonis. Please be informed that both 4G Intens and Echo tubes are Gen 2 by definition. However, they have a couple of properties that are more inherent to Gen 3 tubes vs. Gen 2 tubes (hence the term Hybrid). They increase their stated life span from the typical Gen 2's 2000 hours to 10,000 hours. They share Gen 3 level specs. They also have some unique properties such as good high light performance, super fast autogating which is said to protect the tube from light better, and the ability to see out of band spectrums of light (which at this point is not 100% useful, at least for us civilians that don't know what the super secrets are doing with it yet). With all that said, although the photonis tubes look really good, the L3 filmless tubes are still king of the hill. There is a pair of videos out there by ultimate night vision comparing the Intens vs the L3 filmless in hight light and low light. You need to go watch them, and pay close attention to the shadows, pausing the video if need be. The Intens does a great job, and so do the Echo's from what I read, but just look at the shadows for yourself.

On to the next point which is your last statement about finding the best civilian legal bino. I would say good luck if you want to find a 74+ line pair set of binos. Currently the L3 unfilmed tubes are hitting the highest specs but from what I understand the military is collecting the high spec ones like halloween candy. You could probably get that high spec of a tube but it will take a really long time. I have a set of DTNVGs being built right now and I am being sourced some really high spec L3 filmless tubes. My chances of getting two 72 line pair tubes is really good, in fact I pretty much know I will. But, my chances of getting any higher than that, I know are pretty much non-existent. At least if I want to get my goggles sometime in the next few years, and I am hoping to have them this month or next, so that just isn't in the cards, lol. Also, remember it is rare to find 1 tube with that high of a spec, and when you are doing goggles you need 2. Not only with the high spec but with other specs that match up well, such as SNR, EBI, Halo, etc...

Another option to find some really high spec tubes might be to look for some pvs 31a's since their intended market was the military they may have higher spec tubes. There is a set for sale in the EE right now that supposedly are free and clear of any contract purchase. You might pm that seller and ask them the specs. I believe the asking price is 14K.

Not trying to rain on your parade or anything, just letting you know some information.

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Sir

Thank you for taking the time, presenting a very educational and detailed reply, helping out a guy who knows close to zero about this.

Yes I meant the Photonis 4G Intens tubes being presented by some as GEN4.

I meant to write 72 Line Pairs since that is the most I see listed in the Resolution: 64-72 lp/mm range for sale at a number of online retailers in their descriptions.

I will have to hope, pray and wait for at least 72 lp/mm matching binos/tubes, or failing that go 72 lp mono for my COTI.

The cold hard facts of reality you kindly write about, gives me the feeling I will see Jesus before the matching tubes, hopefully the two together and priced less.

Not knowing any better, I would prefer seeing that extra spectral range with the Photonis, whatever that is, someday. If that could be a weaponized range, i.e., IR aiming lasers used against us or to be developed.

Judging by the still photos on ar15 I've seen thus far, the Photonis Intens 4G seem to have the clearest image, with minimal black flak.

However if you go to photonis and click on the Urban, Battlefield and Forrest demo links below. Their simulations are not as nice, clear and bright as the ones posted on ar15 and elsewhere.

Photonis Urban, Battlefield and Forrest demonstrator

Photonis 4g image intensifier tube OEM info

Here may be the links you referenced, I still need to review, that may also be of help to others

Photonis Intens 4G vs. L3 Gen 3 Filmless - High Light Comparison

Photonis Intens 4G vs. L3 Gen 3 Filmless - Low Light Comparison

What is most confusing about NV is, how the buyer differentiates the product OEM factory made, as in the whole unit is made by Litton, etc, from the made to order kit builder or tool shed project. Many times this is not made clear in plain language for the novice.

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Sir

Thank you for taking the time, presenting a very educational and detailed reply, helping out a guy who knows close to zero about this.

Yes I meant the Photonis 4G Intens tubes being presented by some as GEN4.

I meant to write 72 Line Pairs since that is the most I see listed in the Resolution: 64-72 lp/mm range for sale at a number of online retailers in their descriptions.

I will have to hope, pray and wait for at least 72 lp/mm matching binos/tubes, or failing that go 72 lp mono for my COTI.

The cold hard facts of reality you kindly write about, gives me the feeling I will see Jesus before the matching tubes, hopefully the two together and priced less.

Not knowing any better, I would prefer seeing that extra spectral range with the Photonis, whatever that is, someday. If that could be a weaponized range, i.e., IR aiming lasers used against us or to be developed.

Judging by the still photos on ar15 I've seen thus far, the Photonis Intens 4G seem to have the clearest image, with minimal black flak.

However if you go to photonis and click on the Urban, Battlefield and Forrest demo links below. Their simulations are not as nice, clear and bright as the ones posted on ar15 and elsewhere.

Photonis Urban, Battlefield and Forrest demonstrator

Photonis 4g image intensifier tube OEM info

Here may be the links you referenced, I still need to review, that may also be of help to others

Photonis Intens 4G vs. L3 Gen 3 Filmless - High Light Comparison

Photonis Intens 4G vs. L3 Gen 3 Filmless - Low Light Comparison

What is most confusing about NV is, how the buyer differentiates the product OEM factory made, as in the whole unit is made by Litton, etc, from the made to order kit builder or tool shed project. Many times this is not made clear in plain language for the novice.