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Posted: 8/7/2019 11:47:37 PM EDT
Any of you by any chance have any experience with harris wp tubes? lookin to get a set at a very good price would love to know your guys opinions on clairty and how they compare to l3 wp thanks !!
Link Posted: 8/8/2019 12:41:06 AM EDT
Harris is thin filmed so not as bright in the real darkness. Otherwise they are great.
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Link Posted: 8/8/2019 6:28:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Bb3ar:
Any of you by any chance have any experience with harris wp tubes? lookin to get a set at a very good price would love to know your guys opinions on clairty and how they compare to l3 wp thanks !!
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I run a pair of NVD BNVD ULs with Harris WP tubes. Had them about two months now with probably twenty hours behind them. I love them and wouldn't hesitate at all buying them again. I don't believe "clarity: would be an issue with any quality tube be it green or WP. I relate that to more of a tube performance and ability to focus issue.

In all my evaluations during the decision making process I found the L3 unfilmed WP tubes to be really bright and the image very white at times, especially if there was allot of ambient light . Bright enough that it really bothered me. Most of the devices I evaluated where all in the bino platform and didnt have manual gain control. I typically tend to run all my NODs with the gain down or lower as I see much more contrast and depth while eliminating eye fatigue after hours behind the tubes. Based on the fact that I had heard that the Harris tubes didnt appear as bright I decided as long as I could get a really good set of matched Harris WP tubes I would give them a try. I am very happy with them.

No doubt that the L3 tubes appear brighter but in reality they are whiter in image appearance if that makes any sense. I don't believe from a performance perspective that equal L3 vs Harris one has the ability to see in darker areas over the other because we say brighter. There is a tint with the Harris tubes, which I guess I will call slightly blueish maybe that the L3 definitely don't have. You should be able to see that in the links Will posted. Just notice the slight hue as the tubes in the video are not equal.

Honestly at this point its natural to me just as green becomes natural to the brain after a while.

If the price and spec are good don't hesitate. You should have no regrets.
Link Posted: 8/8/2019 6:53:41 AM EDT
I liked the thin-film Harris WP tubes I had access to for a while. I found them relatively indistinguishable from my L3 filmless, although I didn't have spec sheets on the Harris to compare to see how the specs actually stacked up. However the Harris ones I had weren't autogated.

The Harris had a fairly pronounced multichannel plate oversaturation, which roughly translates to when I would look at something bright with them, the image would get a tracing effect that would fade after some seconds. According to the experts here that wasn't something to get worried about or all that uncommon.

The L3 filmless didn't have that at all, but they did have some fixed pattern noise in high light.

So, my conclusion was, the Harris thin films were excellent and pretty on-par with the L3 filmless (but I do not have 'super spec' filmless tubes by any means)
Link Posted: 8/8/2019 9:49:55 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/8/2019 7:32:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By crossgun:

I run a pair of NVD BNVD ULs with Harris WP tubes. Had them about two months now with probably twenty hours behind them. I love them and wouldn't hesitate at all buying them again. I don't believe "clarity: would be an issue with any quality tube be it green or WP. I relate that to more of a tube performance and ability to focus issue.

In all my evaluations during the decision making process I found the L3 unfilmed WP tubes to be really bright and the image very white at times, especially if there was allot of ambient light . Bright enough that it really bothered me. Most of the devices I evaluated where all in the bino platform and didnt have manual gain control. I typically tend to run all my NODs with the gain down or lower as I see much more contrast and depth while eliminating eye fatigue after hours behind the tubes. Based on the fact that I had heard that the Harris tubes didnt appear as bright I decided as long as I could get a really good set of matched Harris WP tubes I would give them a try. I am very happy with them.

No doubt that the L3 tubes appear brighter but in reality they are whiter in image appearance if that makes any sense. I don't believe from a performance perspective that equal L3 vs Harris one has the ability to see in darker areas over the other because we say brighter. There is a tint with the Harris tubes, which I guess I will call slightly blueish maybe that the L3 definitely don't have. You should be able to see that in the links Will posted. Just notice the slight hue as the tubes in the video are not equal.

Honestly at this point its natural to me just as green becomes natural to the brain after a while.

If the price and spec are good don't hesitate. You should have no regrets.
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Thank you ! I appreciate the response ! its settled im getting those harris tubes !
Link Posted: 8/8/2019 7:33:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By westernhaikus1:
I liked the thin-film Harris WP tubes I had access to for a while. I found them relatively indistinguishable from my L3 filmless, although I didn't have spec sheets on the Harris to compare to see how the specs actually stacked up. However the Harris ones I had weren't autogated.

The Harris had a fairly pronounced multichannel plate oversaturation, which roughly translates to when I would look at something bright with them, the image would get a tracing effect that would fade after some seconds. According to the experts here that wasn't something to get worried about or all that uncommon.

The L3 filmless didn't have that at all, but they did have some fixed pattern noise in high light.

So, my conclusion was, the Harris thin films were excellent and pretty on-par with the L3 filmless (but I do not have 'super spec' filmless tubes by any means)
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Ive noticed that with the set of green tubes i have and to my knowledge they are ITT pinnacles, first time this ever happened i crapped myself because i was using them outside with street lights lol
Link Posted: 8/8/2019 7:35:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By will-1:
Solscud007 posted some good comparison videos on Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/B03DnvAnuuo/?igshid=136xeychi5twj

https://www.instagram.com/p/B03EBDKnnu6/?igshid=1d2fjfo6cso2c
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Wow thank you for these! the image quality vs l3 is minor im sure it would be a huge difference in real dark places but that isnt a deal breaker for me as i dont find myself ever being in a super dark place with out an illuminator of sorts
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