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Posted: 5/15/2022 10:31:34 AM EDT
[#1]
A week or so after this started, I bought a can from Osage guns on gunbroker on a Friday, and had it received at our factory on the next Friday.
So thats a one week form three to door, as an example of how fast this can happen. Obviously Osage is a bad ass streamlined and squared away dealer. Paper forms could be slower, but the buyer could have texted a single sentence reply, “I submitted paper, those are running 8 weeks.” And that would be substantially less worrisome than no communication. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 10:52:39 AM EDT
[#2]
He an FFL on Gunbroker?
Historically gunbroker is no help at all. Looks like he has an LLC called "Homefield Outdoor Solutions" |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 10:57:53 AM EDT
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I am about 8 miles from his house. I can check him in two weeks.
He is on FB… and sort of LinkedIn as a guitarist… Look him up in the ffl network. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 11:10:44 AM EDT
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That user (AtlBlazin99) had a wtb post in the classifieds for a while for a AAC lower. I messaged him and offered to sell one local here in Georgia and he told me he lived in Alpharetta Georgia and to text him pictures on that same phone number.. he said he was interested in buying and then ghosted me and never responded again... this was several months ago.
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Posted: 5/15/2022 11:41:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am about 8 miles from his house. I can check him in two weeks. He is on FB… and sort of LinkedIn as a guitarist… Look him up in the ffl network. I would rather de-escalate and get the can if I had any say here which I don’t. I bought a PRI built SPR mod-H to put the can on, and the Leupold m3/mrt so I have like 4k invested in the rifle without the can that completes the rifle. If you know him (even barely) and can help I would greatly appreciate it. I’ld be happy to give you $200 store credit as a reward if this can can be delivered as a result of your help. I don’t understand the claiming to be from GA part the other poster is saying. We texted back and forth prior to payment and he seemed like a reasonable gun guy with some knowledge of the industry. I would be more than happy to give him positive feedback and drop the claim. He really needs to know a tiny amount of communication is required to do business. I don’t have much hope right now- it looks bad for this transaction. I’m glad I’m not the other guy who paid $5500 for the collector Surefire can. Thats considerable money at risk. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 12:07:50 PM EDT
[#6]
Venmo screams scam…
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Posted: 5/15/2022 12:48:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Venmo screams scam… Most people are just trying to avoid getting dinged income tax on things they sell, thanks to the government going after billionaires receiving >$600 via payment networks (e.g. PayPal goods and services). |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 12:50:01 PM EDT
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Let me know if it falls through and I'll get you a replacement.
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Posted: 5/15/2022 12:55:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Venmo screams scam… A lot of the gunbroker dealers only take cashiers checks, or money orders. I had one once freak out on me and cancel the sale of a Bren machine gun because I wouldn’t send a money order so now I try to ask in advance. I like to think that with 16 years in business paying every bill on time and never having a debt, I can be trusted for my company check to be good, but its about 70/30 split of guys that will accept a company check vs venmo. My bank branch location is 45 minutes out so I’m not going to grab a cashiers check to buy an item, and thats cash in the mail essentially so thats not smart. A dealer wanting venmo is not a positive sign though imo. At least with a check, you add check fraud to the other scam crimes. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 12:56:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me know if it falls through and I'll get you a replacement. It would pretty much be a luxury to be able to buy one at msrp. I believe I bought above msrp. I didn’t ask because I respect that the wait list exists, or it was my impression it was waitlisted. I just finally bought a black kac NT-4 for $2050. I can see dist cost at $1440 or whatever it is, but that’s irrelevant when the distribution never gets a can. There are rumors it may no longer be sold to consumers. There was a price increase before any reached distribution so customers had no opportunity to buy at last price last year. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:34:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .....At least with a check, you add check fraud to the other scam crimes. Wire fraud when scammed using a credit card or other electronic payment. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:06:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He an FFL on Gunbroker? Historically gunbroker is no help at all. Looks like he has an LLC called "Homefield Outdoor Solutions" Looks like that's a General Contractor (builder). And using the phone number OP gave. https://www.manta.com/c/mhbxr83/homefield-outdoor-solutions-llc What phone number did OP send Venmo to? |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:33:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most people are just trying to avoid getting dinged income tax on things they sell, thanks to the government going after billionaires receiving >$600 via payment networks (e.g. PayPal goods and services). Most scammers try to avoid methods of payment that can be revoked or disputed. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:57:41 PM EDT
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Mod note: deleted pics of personal info
I'm assuming it's his mommy's address. He may or may not live there, there are some hits for a Geoff Murphy in Mesa, AZ. Assuming its really Geoff Murphy that scammed you and not some else who randomly picked Geoff's name out the blue and set up a fake GB profile using the alias. I would think if the it's same phone number that you've been texting, its probably the real Geoff. If its some random number you cant associate with Geoff its an alias and a burner phone app number. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 3:09:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most scammers try to avoid methods of payment that can be revoked or disputed. And pretty much everyone in the EE is requesting the same. I’m not selling anyone anything with PayPal G&S wherein I can be scammed by the buyer. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 3:55:42 PM EDT
[#16]
So we're doxing now?
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Posted: 5/15/2022 3:59:12 PM EDT
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I've dealt with this guy on here and tacswap before. His comms were very spotty. He kind of sketched me out and backed out I beleive to sell to someone else. I have a pic of his DL and it is def that Geoffrey Murphy guy.
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Posted: 5/15/2022 4:22:24 PM EDT
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Mod note…
I deleted some of the personal info other than name and GB username. Y’all are welcome to share info with Green0 via PM, but at this point it’s still just a potential fraud incident. The guy could be in the hospital, or any number of other things. No need to publicly post all your internet sleuthing info. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 5:21:18 PM EDT
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My thought…. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck.
6 weeks, no comms, etc. I’d say 99.9999% scam. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 8:36:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My thought…. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck. 6 weeks, no comms, etc. I’d say 99.9999% scam. The text messages say delivered, and he doesn’t respond. If someone said hey this is Geoffs phone, and he’s in the hospital and should be out in a week that would be more than I have and would give me a time to expect a status update. I have considered that could be the situation, but that is not very likely to be the situation. He also never texted and said he received my payment, so there wasn’t that level of communication at the front end. We sent a couple texts back and forth and I paid and that was when radio silence started. Obviously if it turns out he was in the ICU unconscious for six weeks, then all of this is just an unfortunate coincidence for everyone involved. I got here by being concerned about 3 weeks of failure to contact him, and then seeing a guy say he was scammed by the same seller on a $5500 Surefire 762SV. Im not trying to let my imagination run away. On another note- Ron Allen of Allen Engineering has always been a very nice person with great business history with his customers and thats a great positive takeaway here as we can’t close the other topic to lack of available information. Ron is just one of the best guys in the suppressor industry, and I’ve seen that play out over 15 years that I’ve noticed it. The Allen cans are really great cans and its cool he has such a great attitude, despite such a respected product line. Often that goes to people’s heads and they get harder to deal with, but not Ron. There’s a difference between being nice once in a while and being sincerely nice all the time and thats Ron in my experience. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 9:23:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The text messages say delivered, and he doesn’t respond. If someone said hey this is Geoffs phone, and he’s in the hospital and should be out in a week that would be more than I have and would give me a time to expect a status update. I have considered that could be the situation, but that is not very likely to be the situation. He also never texted and said he received my payment, so there wasn’t that level of communication at the front end. We sent a couple texts back and forth and I paid and that was when radio silence started. Obviously if it turns out he was in the ICU unconscious for six weeks, then all of this is just an unfortunate coincidence for everyone involved. I got here by being concerned about 3 weeks of failure to contact him, and then seeing a guy say he was scammed by the same seller on a $5500 Surefire 762SV. Im not trying to let my imagination run away. On another note- Ron Allen of Allen Engineering has always been a very nice person with great business history with his customers and thats a great positive takeaway here as we can’t close the other topic to lack of available information. Ron is just one of the best guys in the suppressor industry, and I’ve seen that play out over 15 years that I’ve noticed it. The Allen cans are really great cans and its cool he has such a great attitude, despite such a respected product line. Often that goes to people’s heads and they get harder to deal with, but not Ron. There’s a difference between being nice once in a while and being sincerely nice all the time and thats Ron in my experience. Call his business number during the day from a local Round Rock number asking about a quote for whatever his construction business does and you'd like to speak to the owner - quick glance appears to be hardscapes/pergolas/pavilions and similar. That should answer your question if he's alive/in the ICU. https://www.burnerapp.com/area-code/local-phone-number-512 |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 9:31:43 PM EDT
[#22]
Austin, I really hope this guy turns out to be good on his word. Best of luck with this.
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Posted: 5/15/2022 10:07:26 PM EDT
[#23]
I’d be interested to know what the guy that lives 8 minutes away can find out.
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Posted: 5/15/2022 11:56:54 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d be interested to know what the guy that lives 8 minutes away can find out. He should earn an Explorr at cost for his efforts Sorry you’re going through this, Austin. |
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Posted: 5/17/2022 4:02:13 AM EDT
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There's an AEM-5 that just popped up on the EE for $1,200.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/Equipment-Exchange/AEM5-NIB/118-2250857/ |
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Posted: 5/17/2022 6:57:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Venmo screams scam… Pretty sure Gunbroker has made using Venmo or PayPal for guns out of policy, as those platforms do not allow firearms transactions. If you are out of policy you may not qualify for Gunbroker claims ? Also, those guys are known for closing accounts and assessing fines for using platform for guns and gun parts. |
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Posted: 5/17/2022 9:14:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure Gunbroker has made using Venmo or PayPal for guns out of policy, as those platforms do not allow firearms transactions. If you are out of policy you may not qualify for Gunbroker claims ? Also, those guys are known for closing accounts and assessing fines for using platform for guns and gun parts. I’m really unimpressed with gunbroker. Whoever runs it makes a lot of money and provides very little customer support. It should be like Ebay where people can call a help center and where a payment system is integrated, but the infrastructure is weak compared to the money the site certainly generates. I had a PayPal account locked long ago for firearms parts or something related. The venmo was something someone had me get to receive a payment a couple years ago. I didn’t know paypal owned venmo till a few weeks ago. One of those things where someone is like hey get this ap- Its unfortunate how in America lately things are so slanted that Elon Musk is becoming a guy people hope for positive change from. He started PayPal and sold it, and now it would be cool if he started another PayPal that didn’t discriminate against law abiding activities. I have credit card processing through work, but individual people don’t have credit card processing so it is a valuable service and part of how Americans buy and sell small items in the internet age. It is just another of the ways big tech discriminate against people of certain groups. |
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Posted: 5/24/2022 4:08:16 PM EDT
[#28]
I got the AEM5 from Allen Engineering today. Thanks Ron for the help, I appreciate it. Allen Engineering really helped me out, and it shows how quickly suppressors can be transferred between dealers. The can looks great, fits nice on the PRI Mk12 mod H.
I still have not heard from the gunbroker seller. I see no update to the feedback on Gunbroker. |
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Posted: 5/24/2022 4:35:40 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I got the AEM5 from Allen Engineering today. Thanks Ron for the help, I appreciate it. Allen Engineering really helped me out, and it shows how quickly suppressors can be transferred between dealers. The can looks great, fits nice on the PRI Mk12 mod H. I still have not heard from the gunbroker seller. I see no update to the feedback on Gunbroker. Thats cool and good on Ron for helping you out. Would be nice if somehow you could shut the scammer down, but likely would just pop up again later. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 4:10:10 PM EDT
[#30]
Hey brother I’m the guy that wrote that review about Geoff, I also posted a Tacswap post on the dude. We need to talk. I’m curious on what he’s been telling you.
Thanks. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 4:12:49 PM EDT
[#31]
Can you get me a picture of the DL for my police report? Thanks.
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Posted: 6/14/2022 7:52:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you get me a picture of the DL for my police report? Thanks. Yes I can. I shot you an IM and an E-mail. I filed my police report this morning locally here, and gave them all the information I had for Round Rock Sheriffs to see what they could do with it cooperatively with my local police department. The DL picture has your FA762SV in it, so it proves he had the can, and if it didn't ship, something else happened. Maybe they will do a welfare check and find out he has been in a coma for all I know. At least maybe someone will look into it. I don't think people should be getting nothing for $5500 transactions like that Surefire FA762SV. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 8:48:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/14/2022 9:00:06 PM EDT
[#34]
Venmo has a protection option. It shows up once you choose “Pay” or “Send”, where you select your method of payment. Toggle it on. Of course, it’s for “eligible purchases” and I would imagine being firearm related would be their plausible deniability.
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Posted: 6/17/2022 4:26:26 PM EDT
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Somehow Gunbroker accounts are being hacked easier than other websites, the hackers target the accounts with a ton of A+ feedback, this guy had like 20,000 A+ feedback .
So I messaged a guy on there with a Gen 1 Glock 19 (which from what I know there were only a few made, basically zero made) with a $1300 buy it now, so I was like ok, I don't need one but considering its probably worth 5k ill ask him, and he sent me pictures of a Glock 17 when I asked for a few more pics, thankfully most scammers are complete fucking idiots. I told Gunbroker and the account was shut down the next day (hopefully restored to the guy that earned the feedback). This happened again with an over/under 12g I was looking at with thousands of A+ feedback, and feedback is the only thing to really go off of for reputation so I basically stopped using Gunbroker. |
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Posted: 6/18/2022 1:44:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And pretty much everyone in the EE is requesting the same. I'm not selling anyone anything with PayPal G&S wherein I can be scammed by the buyer. |
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Posted: 6/21/2022 10:20:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Somehow Gunbroker accounts are being hacked easier than other websites, the hackers target the accounts with a ton of A+ feedback, this guy had like 20,000 A+ feedback . So I messaged a guy on there with a Gen 1 Glock 19 (which from what I know there were only a few made, basically zero made) with a $1300 buy it now, so I was like ok, I don't need one but considering its probably worth 5k ill ask him, and he sent me pictures of a Glock 17 when I asked for a few more pics, thankfully most scammers are complete fucking idiots. I told Gunbroker and the account was shut down the next day (hopefully restored to the guy that earned the feedback). This happened again with an over/under 12g I was looking at with thousands of A+ feedback, and feedback is the only thing to really go off of for reputation so I basically stopped using Gunbroker. The guy in this case was talking to me in text messages from his account listed phone number and he knew a lot of gun information so I feel like I was talking to him, not a scammer. He was talking about the surefire sv he just sold, and the picture I was provided by someone on here had his ID and CCW permit in the same shot with that Surefire sv. I think this guy either died or was hospitalized, or intentionally ripped people off. I don’t think it is likely the scammer was a relative firearms expert, or that the scammer would list and sell something for which there was a picture of the physical presence of, with Drivers license and CCW permit of the account holder. Thats a fairly big workup at that point. The scammer would have to nearly be an intelligence service. He would not have knowledge of items the seller had, so the scam items would be random items. |
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Posted: 6/21/2022 11:47:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The guy in this case was talking to me in text messages from his account listed phone number and he knew a lot of gun information so I feel like I was talking to him, not a scammer. He was talking about the surefire sv he just sold, and the picture I was provided by someone on here had his ID and CCW permit in the same shot with that Surefire sv. I think this guy either died or was hospitalized, or intentionally ripped people off. I don’t think it is likely the scammer was a relative firearms expert, or that the scammer would list and sell something for which there was a picture of the physical presence of, with Drivers license and CCW permit of the account holder. Thats a fairly big workup at that point. The scammer would have to nearly be an intelligence service. He would not have knowledge of items the seller had, so the scam items would be random items. Semantics. He intended to rip you off. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 1:54:00 PM EDT
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I got a call from the Watertown PD, saying they had sent the telletype report to the Texas law enforcement entity with jurisdiction and they had never called him back or corresponded in any way.
He mentioned he tried to get ahold of the guy 6 or so times, both at his business and on his cell phone, and was closing the case as a result of inability to get cooperation from Texas law enforcement, or contact with Geoff. He mentioned that system of officially sending reports is all they have as a result of a need for law enforcement entities to know the reports they are receiving are legitimate reports and not scam calls from people pretending to be law enforcement. It was interesting in that with the guys driver’s license and ccw permit we were unable to get him even questioned regarding the fraud/theft. The local police officer said people can spoof phone numbers and stuff, but that the presence of a photo with one of the fraudulently sold items and his driver’s license and ccw permit as well as the texts he video recorded and read did indicate that the person wasn’t a nigerian prince or imposter. He said he felt it was probably Geoff behind this. |
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