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Posted: 7/24/2019 7:00:15 PM EDT
I kept my helmet hanging on the wall of my safe room for the past 4 months without a lens cap on the 14. Last night I took the setup out and tube was cloudy and has this streak. So I proceeded to use the " Sock Drawer Method" inside a Pelican case. So far 24 hours with no change I can see... I never thought of needing a lens cap when the NOD was off till a few hours off reading, did I just learn the hard way??
OMNIVIII autogated man gain (Before Resetting) 
(24 hours in Dark) 
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Posted: 7/24/2019 7:09:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/24/2019 7:18:53 PM EDT
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If it is tube damage, I don't think its from light. Not only does it not look like any light damage I've seen pics of, I don't see how that could even happen with the tube turned off
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Posted: 7/24/2019 8:26:46 PM EDT
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If it was indeed off, and especially with no battery in it, I don’t think it’s possible it could be light damage
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Posted: 7/24/2019 9:34:53 PM EDT
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I remember @NVGDude @NVGdude saying something about solar damage on some Anvis a pilot left inside a cockpit without lens caps, so sound like it’s possible
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Posted: 7/24/2019 9:37:05 PM EDT
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If it was indeed off, and especially with no battery in it, I don’t think it’s possible it could be light damage |
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Posted: 7/24/2019 9:42:31 PM EDT
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If it is tube damage, I don't think its from light. Not only does it not look like any light damage I've seen pics of, I don't see how that could even happen with the tube turned off |
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Posted: 7/24/2019 9:45:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had the 14 fall from about 6ft onto wood maybe 3 months ago, but this just showed up last night and it doesn't look like debris to me since its ghosting. I also find it interesting the blemish is gone now, can blems spread like this? I cannot find any pictures through the tube before this but the blem was right where the streak starts just left of the center. |
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Posted: 7/24/2019 9:59:00 PM EDT
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are your lenses scratched or dirty. you'd be surprised how many pilots bring them into my shop with scratched or just dirty lenses. you'd be more surprised if I showed you the crap we find during 6 month inspections that went unnoticed by the user. Like bridges that are cracked 3/4 way through and flexing, but not reported until the 6 month insp
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Posted: 7/24/2019 10:06:38 PM EDT
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are your lenses scratched or dirty. you'd be surprised how many pilots bring them into my shop with scratched or just dirty lenses. you'd be more surprised if I showed you the crap we find during 6 month inspections that went unnoticed by the user. Like bridges that are cracked 3/4 way through and flexing, but not reported until the 6 month insp |
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Posted: 7/24/2019 10:11:07 PM EDT
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If it was indeed off, and especially with no battery in it, I don't think it's possible it could be light damage |
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Posted: 7/24/2019 10:42:15 PM EDT
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The technical data I've read says it's possible and that any light exposure to the tube with or without batteries on or off can damage the tube. ymmv. |
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Posted: 7/24/2019 10:44:12 PM EDT
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How do you work on them? Can you use a red light, like a dark room? Or do you have to wear NVGs to work on your NVGs??? |
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Posted: 7/24/2019 11:11:30 PM EDT
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How do you work on them? Can you use a red light, like a dark room? Or do you have to wear NVGs to work on your NVGs??? |
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Posted: 7/24/2019 11:26:05 PM EDT
[#14]
Reminds me of solar damage. Were they hanging in a position such that sunlight could fall onto them, even if briefly in the morning, afternoon, or whenever? Was the pinhole cover in place at all times?
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Posted: 7/24/2019 11:46:30 PM EDT
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Try to power it up with the ocular lens off and see if the streak is present. Since you have it partially disassembled might as well remove the tube and give it a good cleaning on the inside. The fogging maybe from moisture inside of your 14. I had a single strand of hair on my PVS7 that I cleaned multiple times. Turns out it was on the ocular side of the tube that for some reason was hard to dislodge with 99% alcohol and compressed air.
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Posted: 7/24/2019 11:57:52 PM EDT
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Reminds me of solar damage. Were they hanging in a position such that sunlight could fall onto them, even if briefly in the morning, afternoon, or whenever? Was the pinhole cover in place at all times? |
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Posted: 7/24/2019 11:59:45 PM EDT
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Try to power it up with the ocular lens off and see if the streak is present. Since you have it partially disassembled might as well remove the tube and give it a good cleaning on the inside. The fogging maybe from moisture inside of your 14. I had a single strand of hair on my PVS7 that I cleaned multiple times. Turns out it was on the ocular side of the tube that for some reason was hard to dislodge with 99% alcohol and compressed air. If the hair is in the objective, a pinhole cap should make a visible difference over an open objective. If it's in the ocular, it should move with head position. David |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 12:13:28 AM EDT
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Reminds me of solar damage. Were they hanging in a position such that sunlight could fall onto them, even if briefly in the morning, afternoon, or whenever? Was the pinhole cover in place at all times? |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 12:17:14 AM EDT
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Try to power it up with the ocular lens off and see if the streak is present. Since you have it partially disassembled might as well remove the tube and give it a good cleaning on the inside. The fogging maybe from moisture inside of your 14. I had a single strand of hair on my PVS7 that I cleaned multiple times. Turns out it was on the ocular side of the tube that for some reason was hard to dislodge with 99% alcohol and compressed air. |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 12:21:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No windows in the safe room only led strip lighting and my workbench lights. I had the wilcox sacrificial on the front so never bothered with a cover... I hope that wasn't a mistake. |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 12:22:28 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
The technical data I've read says it's possible and that any light exposure to the tube with or without batteries on or off can damage the tube. ymmv. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If it was indeed off, and especially with no battery in it, I don't think it's possible it could be light damage |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 2:07:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does the shading and line match anything in the room? |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 2:26:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have been looking at that and it kind of lines up with one of the workbench lights. If that is the case it was an expensive mistake. |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 2:57:20 AM EDT
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I had no idea this was possible. I store mine without batteries and with covers on inside a padded pouch in a safe, but still....that’s frightening! |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 2:59:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll give this a shot once I try David's method. I've never disassembled this NOD but I have pulled my pvs7s apart plenty of times. |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 3:05:00 AM EDT
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If it was indeed off, and especially with no battery in it, I don’t think it’s possible it could be light damage All these people running nods on their helmet in broad daylight with no caps/bikini covers baffles me. |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 3:37:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can still be damaged by light sources. I make sure to remove batteries and put blackout caps on when going anywhere if I think it's going to be exposed to any significant amount of light that would otherwise normally damage it when powered on. All these people running nods on their helmet in broad daylight with no caps/bikini covers baffles me. |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 4:10:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It didn't even cross my mind that indoor lighting could do that till I started reading up on the subject. Got any tubes laying around you want to sell Brodband? |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 4:40:29 AM EDT
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Search "pvs 14 tutorial" on YouTube. |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 2:33:20 PM EDT
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And get some of this stuff to purge it afterwards. https://www.amazon.com/ArT-Preserver-Argon-Saver-Stopper/dp/B01MEHJCQ2 |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 2:37:22 PM EDT
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All these people running nods on their helmet in broad daylight with no caps/bikini covers baffles me. Have you seen light damage from this? Curious what it’ll look like. I’m guessing overall darker image like shading across the whole image? Would be good to know when looking at used tubes |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 2:39:57 PM EDT
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NM, I see the OP tried the shoe box trick. Stick it back in the drawer is need be.
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Posted: 7/25/2019 5:02:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @brodband8 Have you seen light damage from this? Curious what it’ll look like. I’m guessing overall darker image like shading across the whole image? Would be good to know when looking at used tubes |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 5:06:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. I’ve also seen completely blemmed beyond hope that happened from being turned off and the battery out. Have you found the shoebox trick to work on any of those from solar damage? |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 9:02:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @brodband Have you found the shoebox trick to work on any of those from solar damage? I’ve always been told to do the sock drawer trick for a day or longer if you can. Run through multiple batteries. Make sure no light can get to the unit. Maybe @tnvc could comment on it. |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 9:21:46 PM EDT
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Op, did you accidentally clip it with a laser briefly?
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Posted: 7/25/2019 9:40:08 PM EDT
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I’ve only ever tested it on one or two very minor burn ins with good success. Just depends on how bad/dark the burn is. It’s never turned out perfectly it just diminishes how bad it looks. I’ve always been told to do the sock drawer trick for a day or longer if you can. Run through multiple batteries. Make sure no light can get to the unit. Maybe @tnvc could comment on it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: @brodband Have you found the shoebox trick to work on any of those from solar damage? I’ve always been told to do the sock drawer trick for a day or longer if you can. Run through multiple batteries. Make sure no light can get to the unit. Maybe @tnvc could comment on it. 
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Posted: 7/25/2019 10:47:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea spot on post, really depends on exposure. Mentioned this story before. Your talking to a guy who had some cigar smoking San Diego thumper guys over one night looking through some pannos and I broke the golden rule not checking when I took them back. Got the call from Clasky at the time a few weeks later saying hey boss L3 called and said the unit had light damage...Me, "how they know it was us?"...Clasky, "the outiline of the tube/s damage was your kitchen"...The only thing that worked to fix those was my check book. |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 11:10:12 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea spot on post, really depends on exposure. Mentioned this story before. Your talking to a guy who had some cigar smoking San Diego thumper guys over one night looking through some pannos and I broke the golden rule not checking when I took them back. Got the call from Clasky at the time a few weeks later saying hey boss L3 called and said the unit had light damage...Me, "how they know it was us?"...Clasky, "the outiline of the tube/s damage was your kitchen"...The only thing that worked to fix those was my check book. |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 11:12:07 PM EDT
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Op, did you accidentally clip it with a laser briefly? |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 11:14:14 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still got pics you can share again? Maybe the OP will feel better seeing that his mistake wasn’t as bad (expensive) as yours, lol . 
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Posted: 7/25/2019 11:17:24 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea spot on post, really depends on exposure. Mentioned this story before. Your talking to a guy who had some cigar smoking San Diego thumper guys over one night looking through some pannos and I broke the golden rule not checking when I took them back. Got the call from Clasky at the time a few weeks later saying hey boss L3 called and said the unit had light damage...Me, "how they know it was us?"...Clasky, "the outiline of the tube/s damage was your kitchen"...The only thing that worked to fix those was my check book. |
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Posted: 7/26/2019 3:20:03 AM EDT
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A PVS-14 objective, when looking at the sun and brought into focus on a piece of black plastic smokes that plastic very quickly and leaves an obvious molten mark. Extrapolate that to having binos or whatever flipped up on your helmet, running around, and having the objectives catch the sun. Worse yet leave the helmet stationary, like someone's story of NV left in a cockpit.
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Posted: 8/6/2019 11:23:04 PM EDT
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Worse yet leave the helmet stationary, like someone's story of NV left in a cockpit. |
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Posted: 8/7/2019 12:11:13 AM EDT
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Yea spot on post, really depends on exposure. Mentioned this story before. Your talking to a guy who had some cigar smoking San Diego thumper guys over one night looking through some pannos and I broke the golden rule not checking when I took them back. Got the call from Clasky at the time a few weeks later saying hey boss L3 called and said the unit had light damage...Me, "how they know it was us?"...Clasky, "the outiline of the tube/s damage was your kitchen"...The only thing that worked to fix those was my check book. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: @brodband Have you found the shoebox trick to work on any of those from solar damage? I’ve always been told to do the sock drawer trick for a day or longer if you can. Run through multiple batteries. Make sure no light can get to the unit. Maybe @tnvc could comment on it. That one had to hurt |
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Posted: 8/7/2019 12:11:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Easier to diagnose with an ANVIS, we had the exact same damage in both tubes. As I recall, the goggle was left in an A-10, objectives up. |
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Posted: 8/7/2019 10:16:36 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea spot on post, really depends on exposure. Mentioned this story before. Your talking to a guy who had some cigar smoking San Diego thumper guys over one night looking through some pannos and I broke the golden rule not checking when I took them back. Got the call from Clasky at the time a few weeks later saying hey boss L3 called and said the unit had light damage...Me, "how they know it was us?"...Clasky, "the outiline of the tube/s damage was your kitchen"...The only thing that worked to fix those was my check book.
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Posted: 8/7/2019 11:24:32 AM EDT
[#48]
Is it safe to store OR be around light with the butler creek setup ??
 Attached File“ picture belongs to another poster in another thread “ 
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Posted: 8/7/2019 12:11:21 PM EDT
[#49]
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Is it safe to store OR be around light with the butler creek setup ?? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/158126/75A4A7C1-B982-49F8-A978-92CEDB0421BB_jpeg-1045578.JPG “ picture belongs to another poster in another thread “ Now if you had a butler creek cap and drilled a reasonably sized pinhole into it, 100 percent good to go. |
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Posted: 8/7/2019 8:03:43 PM EDT
[#50]
that is a pretty massive hole. is that supposed to be some kind of home brew refocusing cover?
all our daytime training caps have a literal pinhole. you don't even notice them when looking at the caps (we use regular "caplugs") that one in the picture was drilled with a drill bit and didn't even clean up the edges with a knife or anything |
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