Which of these two for a range toy? I have a Flux Raider chassis P320 that would more fit the roll of a bugout/defensive 9mm (its half the size/weight... more of what a pcc should really be).

MP5

APC between those just because its an import, although I would vouch for the SP5.

MP5 no contest.

Selling my APCs for profit was an excellent move.

I would buy an APC9 of it was delayed and took Scorpion mags. The two fatal flaws of that gun.

Edit: also I think the flux is awesome

MP5 for sure.  Smoother shooting and cooler IMO.  Hardly ever shoot my APC9 and regret buying it.

I’m gonna go against the grain and say APC. If you’re buying a legit HK, maybe, but probably still no. Other than the recoil impulse (arguably) and the nostalgia aspect, the APC is a much better platform. More modern controls, mag interchangeably, better triggers, less small parts to have to maintain, and most importantly, last round bolt hold open and an integrated top rail from the factory. The mp5 is tits, and I don’t think anyone that’s ever shot that would argue otherwise, but I think the APC is a more rounded platform. Other than the ‘cool’ factor, it just really has nothing on the APC9. I own both and rarely shoot the MP5 anymore. Attached File

I went APC9k for similar reasons described above. I think it’s a better all-around gun. Just my opinion. An MP5 clone will have the least recoil and be quieter suppressed though. Not part of the question, but a CMMG RDB sort of splits the difference and is a nice choice to consider too. Gets most of the benefit of reduced recoil and port pop from the delayed blowback and the benefits in terms of manual of arms, sights/optics, modularity, etc. People hate Glock mag PCCs, but they work, are cheap, and mags are durable. If you carry a Glock, it’s also nice to share between platforms. There are worse things. They make the RDB with Colt mags as well now. Some people don’t like them either, but I’ve never had problems with them.