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Posted: 8/3/2022 8:33:40 PM EDT
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From what silencer Jesus says (Jay), anything with traditional baffles is old, out dated tech, things have evolved...so that would be a big no for me
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Posted: 8/3/2022 8:35:55 PM EDT
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I bought one. Kind of regret it already
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Posted: 8/3/2022 8:42:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From what silencer Jesus says (Jay), anything with traditional baffles is old, out dated tech, things have evolved...so that would be a big no for me That's funny because in his rankings that old tech still leads in many categories across many platforms. |
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Posted: 8/3/2022 9:06:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bought one. Kind of regret it already Why? |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 7:37:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From what silencer Jesus says (Jay), anything with traditional baffles is old, out dated tech, things have evolved...so that would be a big no for me Quote HistoryQuoted: From what silencer Jesus says (Jay), anything with traditional baffles is old, out dated tech, things have evolved...so that would be a big no for me Quoted: That's funny because in his rankings that old tech still leads in many categories across many platforms. The HuxWrx and Poloniums are both examples of this. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 9:39:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think a lot of people are reading into Jay's data what they want to read. Cherry picking certain statistics and ignoring others. The HuxWrx and Poloniums are both examples of this. We know who bought an EA Arx 
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Posted: 8/4/2022 9:55:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bought one. Kind of regret it already How does it shoot? What does it sound like? Does it affect accuracy positively or negatively? Pics? |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 10:13:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We know who bought an EA Arx There is no perfect suppressor, as hard as some people try to find one. They all have their own positive and negative tradeoffs. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 10:14:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think a lot of people are reading into Jay's data what they want to read. Cherry picking certain statistics and ignoring others. The HuxWrx and Poloniums are both examples of this. Yes on Polonium (could be awesome on a tuned or bolt gun). HuxWrx sounds basically perfect for a short 556 gun from what I've read. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 10:20:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: HuxWrx sounds basically perfect for a short 556 gun from what I've read. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 10:25:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We know who bought an EA Arx Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think a lot of people are reading into Jay's data what they want to read. Cherry picking certain statistics and ignoring others. The HuxWrx and Poloniums are both examples of this. We know who bought an EA Arx Say something to refute it… |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 10:30:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe. I'm a cynic. All we have so far is Jay's data. That's fair. I guess for my needs his data (along with TBAC or other trustworthy NFA review folks) is enough to get me interested. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 10:31:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does it shoot? What does it sound like? Does it affect accuracy positively or negatively? Pics? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I bought one. Kind of regret it already How does it shoot? What does it sound like? Does it affect accuracy positively or negatively? Pics? They aren't even at dealers yet. It was a pre-order. It will be months before it gets to me. Quoted: Quoted: I bought one. Kind of regret it already Why? Well, the FLOW 556k seems like it is REALLY good and has no barrel length restriction which might actually be needed for one of my guns. I guess the Pollonium K was a few hundred dollars cheaper, so it all works out. I think Jay is going to test the Pollonium K. I hope it performs well. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 10:33:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Say something to refute it… Did you contribute anything useful from the 69k posts you managed to spew? |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 10:38:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you contribute anything useful from the 69k posts you managed to spew? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Say something to refute it… Did you contribute anything useful from the 69k posts you managed to spew? That’s awfully aggressive… Even Jay said his data usefulness is up for discussion |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 10:41:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's fair. I guess for my needs his data (along with TBAC or other trustworthy NFA review folks) is enough to get me interested. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Maybe. I'm a cynic. All we have so far is Jay's data. That's fair. I guess for my needs his data (along with TBAC or other trustworthy NFA review folks) is enough to get me interested. For something that you’ll have as long as a can, I don’t get the preorder thing based on paid reviews. I’m not a beta tester. With the hype that every single new suppressor gets on this forum it’s incredible this is still going on. I remember when guys were preordering the M4-2000 because it “wouldn’t have any wobble”  I want to see 6 months of use by idiots with all manners of rifles and ammo and then decide if it works. What am I missing? |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 10:51:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For something that you’ll have as long as a can, I don’t get the preorder thing based on paid reviews. I’m not a beta tester. With the hype that every single new suppressor gets on this forum it’s incredible this is still going on. I remember when guys were preordering the M4-2000 because it “wouldn’t have any wobble” I want to see 6 months of use by idiots with all manners of rifles and ammo and then decide if it works. What am I missing? Dudes will literally defend a suppressor they don't even own with every fiber of their body and soul. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 10:52:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For something that you’ll have as long as a can, I don’t get the preorder thing based on paid reviews. I’m not a beta tester. With the hype that every single new suppressor gets on this forum it’s incredible this is still going on. I remember when guys were preordering the M4-2000 because it “wouldn’t have any wobble” I want to see 6 months of use by idiots with all manners of rifles and ammo and then decide if it works. What am I missing? Whether we like it or not, we're often beta testers to some degree when we buy a suppressor, unless we've had the chance to shoot a similar model before. Where I live, unfortunately, there simply aren't many opportunities to try cans, optics, or guns without buying them first. As to hype, how are people not going to get hyped by a review? I mean, that's why all of these companies have forum presence, insta accounts, marketing, and paid/self reviews. It's intentionally meant to create the exact reactions they're getting. Either way I'm not buying a new 556 can because I've got an ECCO'd M42K and I just don't see any of the newer ones doing anything much better than what I have. The new HuxWrx sounds pretty incredible from early impressions but I simply have no need to be an early adopter (and if it is as awesome as Jay's review suggests than I can't wait to pick one up in a year or so). That said, of all the new 556 cans reviewed this year so far, the HuxWrx and Polonium do sound the most interesting to me (even if the use cases seem to differ). For anyone else who is buying a new 556 can and wants the newest whatever, I can't see how these reviews (paid or otherwise) could be anything other than a good thing. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 12:26:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you contribute anything useful from the 69k posts you managed to spew? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Say something to refute it… Did you contribute anything useful from the 69k posts you managed to spew? I’d say he has for sure. What have you contributed to this thread or forum. Go attack posters somewhere else. Sorry your can lost. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 12:39:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d say he has for sure. What have you contributed to this thread or forum. Go attack posters somewhere else. Sorry your can lost. Lost what? Nobody here possesses any of the cans anyone is discussing LOL |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 12:44:47 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d say he has for sure. What have you contributed to this thread or forum. Go attack posters somewhere else. Sorry your can lost. Honest question. How do people rack up 69xxx posts since 2008 and nearly 8xxx since 2018? That's like 5 and 13 posts every single day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 12:45:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d say he has for sure. What have you contributed to this thread or forum. Go attack posters somewhere else. Sorry your can lost. And you felt compelled enough to post here. Sit back down, sweety. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 12:46:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whether we like it or not, we're often beta testers to some degree when we buy a suppressor, unless we've had the chance to shoot a similar model before. Where I live, unfortunately, there simply aren't many opportunities to try cans, optics, or guns without buying them first. As to hype, how are people not going to get hyped by a review? I mean, that's why all of these companies have forum presence, insta accounts, marketing, and paid/self reviews. It's intentionally meant to create the exact reactions they're getting. Either way I'm not buying a new 556 can because I've got an ECCO'd M42K and I just don't see any of the newer ones doing anything much better than what I have. The new HuxWrx sounds pretty incredible from early impressions but I simply have no need to be an early adopter (and if it is as awesome as Jay's review suggests than I can't wait to pick one up in a year or so). That said, of all the new 556 cans reviewed this year so far, the HuxWrx and Polonium do sound the most interesting to me (even if the use cases seem to differ). For anyone else who is buying a new 556 can and wants the newest whatever, I can't see how these reviews (paid or otherwise) could be anything other than a good thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For something that you’ll have as long as a can, I don’t get the preorder thing based on paid reviews. I’m not a beta tester. With the hype that every single new suppressor gets on this forum it’s incredible this is still going on. I remember when guys were preordering the M4-2000 because it “wouldn’t have any wobble” I want to see 6 months of use by idiots with all manners of rifles and ammo and then decide if it works. What am I missing? Whether we like it or not, we're often beta testers to some degree when we buy a suppressor, unless we've had the chance to shoot a similar model before. Where I live, unfortunately, there simply aren't many opportunities to try cans, optics, or guns without buying them first. As to hype, how are people not going to get hyped by a review? I mean, that's why all of these companies have forum presence, insta accounts, marketing, and paid/self reviews. It's intentionally meant to create the exact reactions they're getting. Either way I'm not buying a new 556 can because I've got an ECCO'd M42K and I just don't see any of the newer ones doing anything much better than what I have. The new HuxWrx sounds pretty incredible from early impressions but I simply have no need to be an early adopter (and if it is as awesome as Jay's review suggests than I can't wait to pick one up in a year or so). That said, of all the new 556 cans reviewed this year so far, the HuxWrx and Polonium do sound the most interesting to me (even if the use cases seem to differ). For anyone else who is buying a new 556 can and wants the newest whatever, I can't see how these reviews (paid or otherwise) could be anything other than a good thing. You make all good points. I guess it rubs me the wrong way when faboys hype something - ESPECIALLY when they haven't even used it yet. It's like the truck guys who exclaimed the next Gen F150 with the Ecoboost was going to be the best truck in world history...except now that they're on the road the ecoboosts are literally exploding, doors are falling off, and rear windows are falling out of channels. Remember 1.5 years ago when the Sierra 5 was going to be awesome in every way and it has acceptable dBs? I wonder how the guys with destroyed baffles feel about those tests today. I, like you, don't see a whole lot of improvement in these cans and I have been burned in the past getting on new stuff that was strictly tested for one metric. I have seen my Sandman K with an E brake significantly increase group sizes in my AI, for example. You'd never know that from a guy who is throwing it on a 4.5" full auto to test baffle strength, or measuring the dB output. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 12:47:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honest question. How do people rack up 69xxx posts since 2008 and nearly 8xxx since 2018? That's like 5 and 13 posts every single day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’d say he has for sure. What have you contributed to this thread or forum. Go attack posters somewhere else. Sorry your can lost. Honest question. How do people rack up 69xxx posts since 2008 and nearly 8xxx since 2018? That's like 5 and 13 posts every single day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. You would know if you had been here. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 12:49:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honest question. How do people rack up 69xxx posts since 2008 and nearly 8xxx since 2018? That's like 5 and 13 posts every single day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. You appear new to Arfcom. It is much better to discuss things online than actually do it. That's why this thread is 16 hours old and has 24 replies, but a Dicken drill results thread thats been up for several weeks only has 40.
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Posted: 8/4/2022 12:49:13 PM EDT
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Guys, this is a tech forum, not GD. How about you take the pissing contest outside.
So back to the Polonium K, I'm not seeing it on the OCL website. Are there even any specs released yet? |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 12:52:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guys, this is a tech forum, not GD. How about you take the pissing contest outside. So back to the Polonium K, I'm not seeing it on the OCL website. Are there even any specs released yet? lol That is why it is so comical to even be discussing this thing. No one has any first hand experience with one. Comparisons being made to one or two other cans that are also unavailable. Yet somehow its the can to buy! It's a clown show. The trolls are providing more value as at least it is neutral - the hype men are actually bringing speculation which is not backed up in any way and actually does more of a disservice. 
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Posted: 8/4/2022 12:54:11 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Guys, this is a tech forum, not GD. How about you take the pissing contest outside. So back to the Polonium K, I'm not seeing it on the OCL website. Are there even any specs released yet? That's the hilarious thing, other than IG posts from OCL and Andrew's personal page, there's nothing. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 1:14:15 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You make all good points. I guess it rubs me the wrong way when faboys hype something - ESPECIALLY when they haven't even used it yet. It's like the truck guys who exclaimed the next Gen F150 with the Ecoboost was going to be the best truck in world history...except now that they're on the road the ecoboosts are literally exploding, doors are falling off, and rear windows are falling out of channels. Remember 1.5 years ago when the Sierra 5 was going to be awesome in every way and it has acceptable dBs? I wonder how the guys with destroyed baffles feel about those tests today. I, like you, don't see a whole lot of improvement in these cans and I have been burned in the past getting on new stuff that was strictly tested for one metric. I have seen my Sandman K with an E brake significantly increase group sizes in my AI, for example. You'd never know that from a guy who is throwing it on a 4.5" full auto to test baffle strength, or measuring the dB output. I can't argue with any of that. I think the hobby is exploding (similarly to how it did when AAC could do no wrong) and that brings people out of the woodwork desperate to buy the latest and greatest AND justify their purchase because that's just something people do. Unfortunately, those of us who have been down that road before know that it often results in disappointment--as an example, the back pressure numbers on the Polonium sound very similar to one what one might expect from the last 556 can wars, e.g., at muzzle sound was the most important consideration during the development stage. That's not a problem, but I already have cans that excel at that very thing and have no desire to add another one. Ultimately, it comes down to the result of these people being in the hobby. If they stay, they will likely find their needs change, as mine did. I like to pick a host and can combo when possible rather than maintain a jack of all trades approach, and I've got a couple of absolute turds in the collection that wound up there because my parameters of use weren't as refined as they are now. If new adopters feel duped about their purchase due to unrealistic ideas formed around marketing or reviews, that's bad for the industry and community. If they realize that so much of this game is hype, and the reality is that it's all about the right tool for the job (even if that tool is five years old), they will ultimately strengthen our community. And unfortunately, that means putting up with them as they figure it out, just as folks once did for me
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Posted: 8/4/2022 1:42:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honest question. How do people rack up 69xxx posts since 2008 and nearly 8xxx since 2018? That's like 5 and 13 posts every single day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. You just answered your own question. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 1:51:37 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't argue with any of that. I think the hobby is exploding (similarly to how it did when AAC could do no wrong) and that brings people out of the woodwork desperate to buy the latest and greatest AND justify their purchase because that's just something people do. Unfortunately, those of us who have been down that road before know that it often results in disappointment--as an example, the back pressure numbers on the Polonium sound very similar to one what one might expect from the last 556 can wars, e.g., at muzzle sound was the most important consideration during the development stage. That's not a problem, but I already have cans that excel at that very thing and have no desire to add another one. Ultimately, it comes down to the result of these people being in the hobby. If they stay, they will likely find their needs change, as mine did. I like to pick a host and can combo when possible rather than maintain a jack of all trades approach, and I've got a couple of absolute turds in the collection that wound up there because my parameters of use weren't as refined as they are now. If new adopters feel duped about their purchase due to unrealistic ideas formed around marketing or reviews, that's bad for the industry and community. If they realize that so much of this game is hype, and the reality is that it's all about the right tool for the job (even if that tool is five years old), they will ultimately strengthen our community. And unfortunately, that means putting up with them as they figure it out, just as folks once did for me Specs are only part of the picture. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 2:20:46 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: From what silencer Jesus says (Jay), anything with traditional baffles is old, out dated tech, things have evolved...so that would be a big no for me Not sure if joking or not.... |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 2:37:50 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe this is where Jays reviews are in a way hurting us. It becomes a numbers game, like more horsepower, more towing capacity, faster track times, etc. Specs are only part of the picture. I doubt it. If anything it is leading people to want definitive testing in more areas like flash supression, etc. I personally see more posts of people wanting evidence of good all around performance, not less since Jay started. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 2:38:18 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe this is where Jays reviews are in a way hurting us. It becomes a numbers game, like more horsepower, more towing capacity, faster track times, etc. Specs are only part of the picture. As opposed to what? Some arbitrary value from an owner that is emotionally attached to their purchase? |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 2:44:27 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As opposed to what? Some arbitrary value from an owner that is emotionally attached to their purchase? I'm not even sure that loudness is being appropriately represented across the board because that is going to vary widely based on host, barrel length and ammunition used. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 2:56:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As opposed to what? Some arbitrary value from an owner that is emotionally attached to their purchase? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Maybe this is where Jays reviews are in a way hurting us. It becomes a numbers game, like more horsepower, more towing capacity, faster track times, etc. Specs are only part of the picture. As opposed to what? Some arbitrary value from an owner that is emotionally attached to their purchase? Product availability Muzzle device availability Company reputation and service Price - maybe you can argue that’s a “spec” Flash - there’s not a current metric to gauge effectiveness under NVG Baffle geometry, metal type, and thickness affecting durability |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 3:11:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Product availability Muzzle device availability Company reputation and service Price - maybe you can argue that’s a “spec” Flash - there’s not a current metric to gauge effectiveness under NVG Baffle geometry, metal type, and thickness affecting durability Quote HistoryQuoted: Product availability Muzzle device availability Company reputation and service Price - maybe you can argue that’s a “spec” Flash - there’s not a current metric to gauge effectiveness under NVG Baffle geometry, metal type, and thickness affecting durability Lol. Majority of the parameters you mentioned are specifications, aside from company/administrative information. Quoted: Specs don't tell you tone. Its also hard to tell how much back pressure and gas you'll get. I'm not even sure that loudness is being appropriately represented across the board because that is going to vary widely based on host, barrel length and ammunition used. I disagree. How do you quantify a user perceiving a tone? You can’t even quantify individual color perception across humans, you think perceived tone is an important metric that supersedes obvious performance extrapolation from published specs? Loudness is appropriately represented because Lew Science uses the same rifle configuration across his tests. How can you even argue against that? |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 3:12:38 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol That is why it is so comical to even be discussing this thing. No one has any first hand experience with one. Comparisons being made to one or two other cans that are also unavailable. Yet somehow its the can to buy! It's a clown show. The trolls are providing more value as at least it is neutral - the hype men are actually bringing speculation which is not backed up in any way and actually does more of a disservice. https://i.ibb.co/6Z4JMFV/signal-2022-08-04-100412.jpg Who said it's the can to buy? I ordered one instead of a Pollonium. I was going to buy the Pollonium after the Pew Science review. The K model became available to order at the same time. I decided to order the K model instead. I wanted shorter and lighter and hoped that it would have excellent results like the full size. The issue with suppressors is that you are going to wait for months for them. Maybe I wait a few months for "user reviews." They are solid so I order one. Now I'm waiting 6 more months to get the item. It's the nature of the wait time for these products that leads people to order early. I was ordering a 556 can no matter what. How long do I want to wait before I finally start waiting? For most of us, Pew Science is the best data source we'll ever have. I can't imagine classifying it as hype. That's the most realistic, quantifiable information we could possibly use to help with a purchase. I don't see how Pew Science is "hype." |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 3:19:19 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I disagree. How do you quantify a user perceiving a tone? You can't even quantify individual color perception across humans, Quote HistoryQuoted: I disagree. How do you quantify a user perceiving a tone? You can't even quantify individual color perception across humans, you think perceived tone is an important metric that supersedes obvious performance extrapolation from published specs? Quoted: Loudness is appropriately represented because Lew Science uses the same rifle configuration across his tests. How can you even argue against that? Pew Science is using one rifle for the semi-auto tests. A Mk18 clone. The worst case scenario. It's an interesting data point, but only applicable if you use a Mk18 or similar SBR as your suppressor host. What about those of us who use a 16" AR carbine, or bullpup, or AK? Are his results accurate for those hosts? Would the same list of suppressors line up the same way with the same "Pew Science Suppressor Rating" ranking? Maybe? We don't know. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 3:45:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. Majority of the parameters you mentioned are specifications, aside from company/administrative information. I disagree. How do you quantify a user perceiving a tone? You can’t even quantify individual color perception across humans, you think perceived tone is an important metric that supersedes obvious performance extrapolation from published specs? Loudness is appropriately represented because Lew Science uses the same rifle configuration across his tests. How can you even argue against that? Dmk said “specs are only part of the picture” Which is true for a large portion of buyers I’m not sure what point you’re trying to hammer home |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 6:02:43 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The issue with suppressors is that you are going to wait for months for them. Maybe I wait a few months for "user reviews." They are solid so I order one. Now I'm waiting 6 more months to get the item. It's the nature of the wait time for these products that leads people to order early. I was ordering a 556 can no matter what. How long do I want to wait before I finally start waiting? There are several (dozens of?) quality cans which are currently on dealer shelves that are proven performers in the 5.56 category. Why would you order something unknown with a variable pre-order time when you could cut out all of that and get a nice 5.56mm can today? If you still want a Polonium K, you can order that once some other sucker has had to deal with the delivery date pushed back several times, teething issues with new products, etc. You can be rocking and rolling with a new can while Mr. Preorder is still spending his afternoons posting on the internet instead of shooting. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 6:35:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are several (dozens of?) quality cans which are currently on dealer shelves that are proven performers in the 5.56 category. Why would you order something unknown with a variable pre-order time when you could cut out all of that and get a nice 5.56mm can today? If you still want a Polonium K, you can order that once some other sucker has had to deal with the delivery date pushed back several times, teething issues with new products, etc. You can be rocking and rolling with a new can while Mr. Preorder is still spending his afternoons posting on the internet instead of shooting. Well, a Surefire RC2 is almost $1000. OSS HX 556 is around $1000. CGS Helios is $1000. Sico Saker 556 is $800. OCL has offerings at ~half the price with similar or better performance. It's hard to drop the money on a "proven performer" when new guys are dropping bombs. I already have a Turbo at the budget end. You'd have to be blind to not see why OCL is appealing. Maybe they won't be all that great, but it's easy to see why people want to buy them. |
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Posted: 8/4/2022 6:52:10 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, a Surefire RC2 is almost $1000. OSS HX 556 is around $1000. CGS Helios is $1000. Sico Saker 556 is $800. OCL has offerings at ~half the price with similar or better performance. It's hard to drop the money on a "proven performer" when new guys are dropping bombs. I already have a Turbo at the budget end. You'd have to be blind to not see why OCL is appealing. Maybe they won't be all that great, but it's easy to see why people want to buy them. Some people are probably preordering next years Kia’s with all the features for half the price too… |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 2:26:30 PM EDT
[#44]
We have the eform 3 pending to us now. It's a K can; it will be louder than a full size can. But, if you want a quality silencer and this meets your specific requirements, then this one is perfect.
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Posted: 8/5/2022 3:49:11 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We have the eform 3 pending to us now. It's a K can; it will be louder than a full size can. But, if you want a quality silencer and this meets your specific requirements, then this one is perfect. Maybe the Polonium K-can will be a better balance? (Perhaps some competition for the Turbo K) |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:15:19 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: According to Pew Science, the full size can is pretty quiet at the muzzle, but at the expense of high back pressure. (I wonder how the back pressure compares to the Turbo T2) Maybe the Polonium K-can will be a better balance? (Perhaps some competition for the Turbo K) Honest question: Why does it seem like a lot of people are against tuning their rifles? |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:28:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honest question: Why does it seem like a lot of people are against tuning their rifles? Tuning isn't always an option with every rifle. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:31:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Definitely competition for the Turbo K I think. As for back pressure, I always recommend tuning the gas for the system. That way you won't have to worry about back-pressure nearly as much. Honest question: Why does it seem like a lot of people are against tuning their rifles? I had/have a decent stock of shitty Tula, and found it needs nearly a "stock" setting to run it consistently, making tuning somewhat of a moot expenditure. Most people I've met don't really care or see the need, some don't feel confident enough to remove a rail and install a gas block  |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 11:25:33 PM EDT
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I’ve shot a couple examples of the full size and K. The K didn’t ring my ears on a 10.5, YMMV.
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