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Posted: 3/21/2020 1:31:43 PM EDT
can someone tell me the overall length of an AR-15 with a carbine buffer tube, 14.5" barrel and no muzzle device?

i cannot find this info on manufacturer websites or web searches for non welded 14.5s.

im assuming it's 30" but dont want to delay the paperwork.

thanks!

Link Posted: 3/21/2020 4:28:36 PM EDT
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I've always used 14.5"/29". Haven't had any issues so far
Link Posted: 3/24/2020 4:43:20 PM EDT
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I honestly think people make to much of the exact length, ball park it, it will be fine.
Link Posted: 3/24/2020 5:30:40 PM EDT
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I honestly think people make to much of the exact length, ball park it, it will be fine.
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That's pretty much what I do. I have a factory AR SBR and the numbers were 10.5/25. I just add the extra barrel length to each side depending on what I'm building.
Link Posted: 3/25/2020 11:21:54 AM EDT
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thanks, guys.

the manufacturer of my lower got back to me and said the OAL is 34.5". I called the NFA and they transferred me to their "weapons specialist" and he said you measure with stock extended.

i ended up not mailing out the form so ill use 34.5" just in case the person doing my investigation is having a bad day. i got my 11.5" approved with 26" in the past so i think you guys are right about not having to be exact.

does this mean a 10.3" barrel pistol can have a VFG without being a AOW? maybe this measurement does not apply to braces. i should have asked.
Link Posted: 3/25/2020 12:27:52 PM EDT
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thanks, guys.

the manufacturer of my lower got back to me and said the OAL is 34.5". I called the NFA and they transferred me to their "weapons specialist" and he said you measure with stock extended.

i ended up not mailing out the form so ill use 34.5" just in case the person doing my investigation is having a bad day. i got my 11.5" approved with 26" in the past so i think you guys are right about not having to be exact.

does this mean a 10.3" barrel pistol can have a VFG without being a AOW? maybe this measurement does not apply to braces. i should have asked.
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On a firearm with a brace, you cannot include the brace in the OAL measurement as it is considered an accessory and not essential for the function of the firearm. So you would measure from the end of the barrel to the end of the buffer tube. If i remember correctly, you would need a minimum of a 12.5 inch barrel to get past 26.

The ATF released a whole letter detailing this last year

Also, are you doing a paper form 1?
Link Posted: 3/25/2020 2:36:31 PM EDT
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Yes, paper form 1 because of trust, i believe e-file is for individuals only? i hope they still dont take 10 mos, i know electronic form 1 is pretty quick now days. i know i can pin and weld but rather not.

i did not realize they measure with stock extended so my question was flawed from the start when asking for a measurement from buffer tube. thanks again.
Link Posted: 3/25/2020 4:08:25 PM EDT
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Yes, paper form 1 because of trust, i believe e-file is for individuals only? i hope they still dont take 10 mos, i know electronic form 1 is pretty quick now days. i know i can pin and weld but rather not.

i did not realize they measure with stock extended so my question was flawed from the start when asking for a measurement from buffer tube. thanks again.
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You can do a trust through the eform system, it just requires you to upload the 5320.23 . I've done a bunch of trust submissions through eforms. You can still use the 14.5/29 measurement, that's what all my approved form 1s are for my 14.5 guns.
Link Posted: 3/25/2020 5:22:25 PM EDT
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i will definitely e-file then. thanks!
Link Posted: 3/25/2020 5:32:21 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/27/2020 5:08:25 PM EDT
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all of my SBRs and suppressors were done when efile was down. ive heard people say individual e-file was taking a month so i assumed it was only those.

called them because manufacturer's recommendation differed from what ive done in the past and what poster above has done. nfa guy confirmed what manufacturer told me to use. im pretty convinced now that it does not matter.
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